Originally posted by NemeBro
Uh, based on what?The UN did a study apparently that shows there are 250,000 rapes recorded annually, with over 60 countries recorded.
In 2012, homicide statistics show an estimate of over 460,000 intentional murders a year, not even counting shit like Involuntary Manslaughter which, per Big C, is covered.
I'd choose murder, without a doubt.
So, you are comparing the actual number of murders around the world, to the number of reported rapes to police officials in 62 countries (less than 1/3rd of countries in the UN). And you somehow do that with a straight face?
Originally posted by Bardock42
So, you are comparing the actual number of murders around the world, to the number of reported rapes to police officials in 62 countries (less than 1/3rd of countries in the UN). And you somehow do that with a straight face?
Not to lend major weight to either side, but rape often goes unreported, especially in societies where it is a shame to be raped, or in the military, or family, male on male, etc. There's no accurate number, whereas most murders go reported, if not solved.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Not to lend major weight to either side, but rape often goes unreported, especially in societies where it is a shame to be raped, or in the military, or family, male on male, etc. There's no accurate number, whereas most murders go reported, if not solved.
Yeah, I know, and he knows that as well. Hence my disbelief.
Originally posted by Bardock42
What I'm saying is that eliminating rape would also eliminate a portion of murders.It seems like a simplistic comparison though. Like I said, I am considering the ramifications within society. (take for example some places in Africa, where an estimated 1 in 3 woman will be raped in their life).
I agree with you that there's no simple answer, tbh, I mostly engaged you cause you said "Murder's the obvious choice here. Not sure what the logical argument behind the others would be." which I took as basically the opposite of what you said now 😛
Ah. Ok then. 👆
Originally posted by Bardock42
So, you are comparing the actual number of murders around the world, to the number of reported rapes to police officials in 62 countries (less than 1/3rd of countries in the UN). And you somehow do that with a straight face?
So where are you getting that more rapes occur than murders? Much more the variety of deaths that fall under this thread's purview?
Originally posted by Shabazz916But would you not say that homosexuals, with their tendency to not have children through intercourse, also balance out the human race?
Homosexuals... ppl have to die one way or another to balance out the human race but we dnt need the cancer that are Homosexuals
Wouldn't you say that rape, by your logic, only adds unnecessary numbers to the human race and is, according to your rationale, meaningless?
Originally posted by NemeBro
So where are you getting that more rapes occur than murders? Much more the variety of deaths that fall under this thread's purview?
I take it from places where we can trust the statistics. For example the statistics you cite for rape, don't even include the Congo, which alone accounts for 40 000 instances of it per year. Taking the FBI Crime Statistics in the US, and disregarding the well known fact that murder is basically always reported while rape is (even in the US) notoriously underreported, we can see that in the year 2012, there were 14,173 murders and non-negligent manslaughters, while there were 78,174 instances of forcible rape (disregarding statutory rape, rape of men, and other sex offenses) that means the underreported crime of rape is more than 5.5 times as commonly reported as murder. http://goo.gl/WD8Yk3
Negligent Manslaughter (your big boogie man) happened under 200 times (197 to be precise) ( http://goo.gl/qedhzd ) . Basically negligible compared to the other two.
Coming, once more, back to the rape statistic you cite countries like Turkey, Mozambique or Syria allege that they have a rate of up to 100 times lower than the US, we know this can not possibly be true (or perhaps you believe the US is just way, way more rape-y).
Dude, why are we arguing this, you don't believe yourself that murders happen at a higher rate than rapes, what do you gain from pretending it does?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I take it from places where we can trust the statistics. For example the statistics you cite for rape, don't even include the Congo, which alone accounts for 40 000 instances of it per year. Taking the FBI Crime Statistics in the US, and disregarding the well known fact that murder is basically always reported while rape is (even in the US) notoriously underreported, we can see that in the year 2012, there were 14,173 murders and non-negligent manslaughters, while there were 78,174 instances of forcible rape (disregarding statutory rape, rape of men, and other sex offenses) that means the underreported crime of rape is more than 5.5 times as commonly reported as murder. http://goo.gl/WD8Yk3Negligent Manslaughter (your big boogie man) happened under 200 times (197 to be precise) ( http://goo.gl/qedhzd ) . Basically negligible compared to the other two.
Coming, once more, back to the rape statistic you cite countries like Turkey, Mozambique or Syria allege that they have a rate of up to 100 times lower than the US, we know this can not possibly be true (or perhaps you believe the US is just way, way more rape-y).
Dude, why are we arguing this, you don't believe yourself that murders happen at a higher rate than rapes, what do you gain from pretending it does?
Based on what do you come to the conclusion that Turkey, Mozambique, and Syria can not possibly have much less rape than the United States? I have no doubt that there are more rapes than what are cited that go unreported, but as you've already said, the same is true of the United States.
I never said murder definitely occurred at a higher rate than rape though, I merely wanted to see your own sources (Which you've actually started to provide, and I thank you for that), and provided the only statistics I could personally find after a single lazy search (I'm not doing your work for you). Frankly, I have no idea why you are whining and acting self-righteous just because someone wanted to see the source supporting the claim you made, lol.
Bardock, what tangible gain would I get from pretending murder happens more than rape?
Not that which occurs more changes my answer. I view murder as considerably worse than rape.
Well, maybe don't parrot unrelated statistics next time, then we won't have to argue about them. I mean, tbh you could have just read the next couple sentences on the wikipedia article you found. At any rate, I showed to you that rape actually occurs considerably more. I have no problem with people choosing murder in this scenario. I just stated why I would choose rape. No right or wrong answer, really.
Originally posted by Bardock42You've showed it happens more in the US, I think you mean.
Well, maybe don't parrot unrelated statistics next time, then we won't have to argue about them. I mean, tbh you could have just read the next sentence on the wikipedia article you found. At any rate, I showed to you that rape actually occurs considerably more, like I claimed, so maybe we won't have to argue about it next time it comes up.