Originally posted by Bardock42
Alright, putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "lalala" won't change reality. I wonder though, what do you believe, do you think rape happens more worldwide or murder? Just gut feeling if you don't feel you have enough evidence for something more decisive.
Rapist would have been my second choice.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Rapist would have been my second choice.
Yeah, I think both murderers and rapists are perfectly valid choices.
I guess I can see pedophiles (though they are sort of a subset of rapists if they act on their urges or possibly harmless if they don't). Homosexuals is just ridiculous. I hope even the most fundamentalists of certain religions wouldn't actually choose it (hoping that the people who have chosen it in this thread are just being crass)
Originally posted by Bardock42
Alright, putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "lalala" won't change reality.
You need to calm down, lol.
I wonder though, what do you believe, do you think rape happens more worldwide or murder? Just gut feeling if you don't feel you have enough evidence for something more decisive.Oh I have little doubt rape probably occurs more often worldwide than murder. I just wanted you to provide your own sources on the matter.
Is that too much to ask?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Rape far, far, far exceeds the numbers of murder.
Well, those are negligible really, especially considering the likely immensely high dark figure.
Of course rapes need to be investigated and if what you say happens it is terrible, but all things really point to people being raped being a mind bogglingly far greater number than people claiming to be raped. (especially cause coming forward about being raped is quite shit)
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, those are negligible really, especially considering the likely immensely high dark figure.
From hospitals...women come in for rape kits and only 1 out of 100 (random number) show signs of rape and most of the other 99 (again, random number) withdraw their accusation...
So how much of those rapes are being included in that dark figure (or excluded)?
I chose homosexuals, by the way. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
From hospitals...women come in for rape kits and only 1 out of 100 (random number) show signs of rape and most of the other 99 (again, random number) withdraw their accusation...So how much of those rapes are being included in that dark figure (or excluded)?
I chose homosexuals, by the way. 🙂
I believe most dark figure numbers are arrived at through surveys.
The issues with rape kit seem more often how they are administered and how invasive they are, that they do not actually get tested in a lot of cases (huge backlogs, often less than 20% actually evaluated). Wikipedia states that on average 60% of them show foreign material (I don't think rape kits can actually "show" that a rape happened, they are just one sort of evidence).
I couldn't find figures of how many rape charges are dropped at the urging of the alleged victim. If you have a number for that I'd be very interested.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I believe most dark figure numbers are arrived at through surveys.The issues with rape kit seem more often how they are administered and how invasive they are, that they do not actually get tested in a lot of cases (huge backlogs, often less than 20% actually evaluated). Wikipedia states that on average 60% of them show foreign material (I don't think rape kits can actually "show" that a rape happened, they are just one sort of evidence).
I couldn't find figures of how many rape charges are dropped at the urging of the alleged victim. If you have a number for that I'd be very interested.
I wish I had some figures.
The fake numbers I used come from my wife's best friend (she is an nurse, used to do hospital work, and administered the rape kits). She believes rape is extremely rare and has become jaded. Not to get graphic (not sure how much they enforce the PG-13 guidelines, anymore) by the do "dip stick" them with swabs, take pictures of their vaginal opening, anus, breasts, buttocks, labia minora, face, and some other stuff that I am forgetting. They also write stuff down that would piss people off if they knew: a subjective opinion about tearing in places (it is subjective because they mark the degree of tear and sometimes include commentary...it's for court stuff). My wife's friend said that, over the years, she had administered a rape kit to well over a thousand women and of those, only 1 showed definitive signs of rape and the second showed questionable signs of rape (with the first going to trial).
But, as you would point out, not all rape is violent. I think my wife's friend became jaded about rape because some of the women (she said "many"😉 outright state that they weren't raped in some form. So she spiraled into a jaded idea about rape regarding women and developed a strong confirmation bias. I'd like to know how she knew they withdrew the accusations, though. How would a nurse find that out (other than the person saying "never mind, I wasn't raped"😉.
The problem with many rape cases is there is no evidence of violent rape. So, just finding evidence of a man's semen in a vagina is not enough for a conviction (nor should it be). It becomes a "he said she said" scenario unless other things can become involved. The man could have raped her, though, and he goes free. This is why a think every man should have his female partner sign a release form before having sex with them. 😄
I agree with it being tough to prosecute rape (although it is also not always prosecuted to the full extend, police officers or nurses that distrust victims not doing their jobs seems to be an actual issue), that's why I think a lot of secondary influences need to be worked on. Things like how society views women and their bodies, teaching men about what constitutes rape and about possessiveness, and how to actually help women in dangerous situations, vastly raising awareness about domestic rape and giving victims the ability and feeling that they can speak out without being stigmatised or attacked (oftentimes victims find the treatment they receive as violating as the rape, that is not the case for any other crime). Not making rape the butt of the every joke (making rapists feel justified, and victims ostracised, or triggering flashbacks in them).
At any rate, these problems that you raised are another reason why I'd choose to eliminate rape. It's a much more complicated problem. And the solutions are complicated as well. Murder is clear cut, and we have systems to prevent and punish it that work much, much better.