Originally posted by The Sorrow
That particular scan you posted from Wolverine and the X-Men was set prior to the Avengers arriving in Earths orbit and before fighting the huge fleet of ships that had seized the HAMMER spacestation, which was before they crash landed on Earth.This tie-in issue was intended to be fun and light-hearted while the actual relevant issues in terms of the story were far more gritty, and made it obvious that the Avengers were growing weary from the constant fighting.
Isn't that what I said? I said the scan I posted took place prior to the Avengers heading to Earth to fight Thanos. It clearly shows the Avengers having some rest in between battles.
The Avengers brought the entire galactic council (Skrull, Kree, Shiar, A-Wave) and their respective armies to fight Thanos' forces on Hammer and Titan. Let's not pretend like they didn't have massive amounts of help. The main avengers (Hulk, Hype, Thor, Marvel, and Cap) didn't do the fighting on Hammer...
They went straight to Earth to fight Thanos and his crew after the Guardians of the Galaxy created an opening for them in the blockade around Earth.
It doesn't matter if tie-in stories to Infinity are more light-hearted, they're still canon, and show that the Avengers rested between battles. In fact in the main series (Infinity and Avengers) there were plenty of moments of non-fighting done by Avengers, such as the diplomatic scenes and rescue missions. Being "weary" doesn't mean weaker or depowered. It could easily mean being sick of fighting. Saying they were weaker is just a flimsy attempt at lowballing. I also find it hard to believe that herald level characters like Thor, Hype, Hulk, and Marvel would tire so easily after intermittent bouts of fighting. These are immortals and gamma powered beings with near infinite stamina.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
This tie-in issue was intended to be fun and light-hearted while the actual relevant issues in terms of the story were far more gritty, and made it obvious that the Avengers were growing weary from the constant fighting.
Yeah, fun comics are non-canon, glad we cleared that up ermm
Originally posted by The SorrowIt is canon so you can't deny it. Didn't seem weary at all in the scans.
That particular scan you posted from Wolverine and the X-Men was set prior to the Avengers arriving in Earths orbit and before fighting the huge fleet of ships that had seized the HAMMER spacestation, which was before they crash landed on Earth.This tie-in issue was intended to be fun and light-hearted while the actual relevant issues in terms of the story were far more gritty, and made it obvious that the Avengers were growing weary from the constant fighting.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Isn't that what I said? I said the scan I posted took place prior to the Avengers heading to Earth to fight Thanos. It clearly shows the Avengers having some rest in between battles.The Avengers brought the entire galactic council (Skrull, Kree, Shiar, A-Wave) and their respective armies to fight Thanos' forces on Hammer and Titan. Let's not pretend like they didn't have [b]massive
amounts of help. The main avengers (Hulk, Hype, Thor, Marvel, and Cap) didn't do the fighting on Hammer...They went straight to Earth to fight Thanos and his crew after the Guardians of the Galaxy created an opening for them in the blockade around Earth.
It doesn't matter if tie-in stories to Infinity are more light-hearted, they're still canon, and show that the Avengers rested between battles. In fact in the main series (Infinity and Avengers) there were plenty of moments of non-fighting done by Avengers, such as the diplomatic scenes and rescue missions. Being "weary" doesn't mean weaker or depowered. It could easily mean being sick of fighting. Saying they were weaker is just a flimsy attempt at lowballing. I also find it hard to believe that herald level characters like Thor, Hype, Hulk, and Marvel would tire so easily after intermittent bouts of fighting. These are immortals and gamma powered beings with near infinite stamina. [/B]
In the scan you posted you can see the visible damage to their costumes and here:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/08bd1e8fcce39c42827f1af482fd5f1c/tumblr_mwyh3inQKD1qky2i3o1_1280.jpg
I wouldn't say weakened either but they clearly weren't fresh, it's just as legitimate as those bringing up Thor being apparently "weakened" because he had a wound and was bfr'd by the Serpent before fighting Nul and Angrir imo. Steve told Tony prior to reaching Earths orbit that he doesn't know if they would still be "whole" after what they had been through and had to convince other Avengers who were struggling to keep pushing on. I think "weary" is probably an understatement but i'm not trying to push that angle simply highlighting it.
Still haven't seen a genuine post that convincingly proves Thanos basically overcomes 8 Mjolnirs backed by power similar to Thor's. In the scan posted of Thor smashing down on Thanos' dome imagine 5, 6 or 7 of those hammers instead.
Originally posted by The SorrowShields, super saiyan, force block. Take your pick.
Well your post implied they had plenty rest when pretty much the only times that happened was when the team was travelling across space to next battle. Remember the Avengers, especially the big guns fought in multiple battles/wars before returning to Earth and even with the aid of multiple factions were vastly outnumbered.In the scan you posted you can see the visible damage to their costumes and here:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/08bd1e8fcce39c42827f1af482fd5f1c/tumblr_mwyh3inQKD1qky2i3o1_1280.jpg
I wouldn't say weakened either but they clearly weren't fresh, it's just as legitimate as those bringing up Thor being apparently "weakened" because he had a wound and was bfr'd by the Serpent before fighting Nul and Angrir imo. Steve told Tony prior to reaching Earths orbit that he doesn't know if they would still be "whole" after what they had been through and had to convince other Avengers who were struggling to keep pushing on. I think "weary" is probably an understatement but i'm not trying to push that angle simply highlighting it.
Still haven't seen a genuine post that convincingly proves Thanos basically overcomes 8 Mjolnirs backed by power similar to Thor's. In the scan posted of Thor smashing down on Thanos' dome imagine 5, 6 or 7 of those hammers instead.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Well your post implied they had plenty rest when pretty much the only times that happened was when the team was travelling across space to next battle. Remember the Avengers, especially the big guns fought in multiple battles/wars before returning to Earth and even with the aid of multiple factions were vastly outnumbered.In the scan you posted you can see the visible damage to their costumes and here:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/08bd1e8fcce39c42827f1af482fd5f1c/tumblr_mwyh3inQKD1qky2i3o1_1280.jpg
I wouldn't say weakened either but they clearly weren't fresh, it's just as legitimate as those bringing up Thor being apparently "weakened" because he had a wound and was bfr'd by the Serpent before fighting Nul and Angrir imo. Steve told Tony prior to reaching Earths orbit that he doesn't know if they would still be "whole" after what they had been through and had to convince other Avengers who were struggling to keep pushing on. I think "weary" is probably an understatement but i'm not trying to push that angle simply highlighting it.
Still haven't seen a genuine post that convincingly proves Thanos basically overcomes 8 Mjolnirs backed by power similar to Thor's. In the scan posted of Thor smashing down on Thanos' dome imagine 5, 6 or 7 of those hammers instead.
Not saying THanos would definalty win.. but I think he could for the following reasons...
1. Durability - He's taken worse than what these guys have showed combined really. Him walking Through a Gungnir blast from Odin.. Taking a full powered scream from BB and then having a city dropped on him (when you consider what a smalller scream did to Strange and the watch.. you get an idea of uber that was) Taking shots from Tyrant.. Maker.. Magus with IG and not being KO'd. Being point blank at a supernova explosion.. black hole.. Taking Thor's lighting with ease.. twice and his hammer shot (we've seen what Thor's lighting has done to others.. and remember what Thor hammer shot did to Galactus and others.. Thanos took it and easily) etc etc Things like these lead me to believe he can stand for quite awhile fighting these guys... which leads me to this..
2. Firepower - Thanos has the firepower to one shot some of these guys or seriously hurt them with a few shots.. Examples being.. HIm one shot killing Drax.. Adam Warlock and Phyla.. Literally all one shot killed. Blasting Galactus hundreds of feat through his ship and bouncing on a planet.. Him one shotting Thing.. and Then 2 shotting Thor in his earliest and weakest appearance... him killing Surfer with some amped punches... Him one shotting a Quasar construct that was holding teams of people back that were hitting it.. including Thor.. Drax.. Hulk and many others (Thanos one shot it.. showing his superior firepower to other heralds) Him punching Mar-Vell from Saturn to earth... Just look at him going super Saiyan.. that was him just amping up and it was literally blowiing heroes away.. what do you think woudl happen if he fired shots or punches in that mode? These are just a few examples showing he has the firepower to put these guys down with the only problem being Kurrth..
3. Shields - Not only does he have the durability to tank what most of these guys pack.. if not.. he can rely on his shields... Shields that took a constant blast for awhile from Omega (a being said to be more powerful than Galactus) His shields made a WELL fed Galactus need to go feed again just to break through Thanos' shields (he ever commented.. I've never had to work to hard to break a mere shield) We've seen his shiedls taking punches from a pissed of PG weilding Champion for awhile before breaking. These feats to me clearly show that if Thanos' raises his shields.. These guys won't be able to get through it for awhile. Who left standing by then that is.
4. Other abiliities - Mind rape.. We've seen him mind rape the hulk with utter ease and have him to on the avengers. We've seen him best Moondragon amped by the Mind gem once... Shit she couldn't even read his mind at all another time... Three of the strongest telepaths in marvel couldn't even shut him down while he was weakened and not at full power. Shit.. he came closer to mind raping galactus than Odin did imo.. He turned a Galactus herald into his own with ease.. He mind raped The Maker with utter ease. Point is, I see no reason why he couldn't mind rape some of these guys with ease and turn them on eachother
Teleportation and BFR - Thanos can do both and has done so in fights. There is scans of Thanos teleporting while fighting Surfer... Surfer would blast him and thanos would teleport out of the way. He can levitate... what feats of flight or levitation do all the worthy have? If not, why couldn't Thanos just levitate in the air and start blasting them? We've seen Thanos BFR Champion with ease.. Surfer with ease just to name a few times he's done it. Thus, that is a viable tactic to use here against some of these guys.
Lastly - He has expereince with Thor and Mjolnirs.. He's stopped a Thor hammer mid flight before.. He's palmed Thor's hammer with ease in his latest appearance. Point is, he's faced Thor numerous times before and knows how to beat him and how to minimize the hammer's effectiveness or just plain stop it if thrown.
These are the reasons and feats that give me the impression that Thanos could win this fight. Woudn't be easy.. and he may not.. but he certainly could.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiReread my god damned post.
Big ODG.. you actually support my stance on the matter with the examples in your post. You see, Thor has said track record (forgetting some context for a moment) of fighting and defeating 2 herald level beings at once... First, the worthy don't have said track record for beating said heralds and the quality of said heralds. Thus, Thor by feats in above them.. so they aren't Thor level. Second, if Thor could defeat them while injured and dying... how on earth could they be Thor level. If they were Thor level.. by that reasoning.. they could also take out 2 Thor's at once.. like your examples illustrate. Yet, not only were they not able to take out one thor.. they couldn't even take out a dying Thor.. let alone two of them... So clearly, they aren't Thor level, not even close really. It's a difference between a high herald and a mid herald to low herald level. That is what we saw and why Thor was able to do what he was. In the examples you used Thor wasn't weakened or dying when he took out people 2 v 1.. here he was.. That tells you those Worthy were certainly not Thor level. I think it's you who should think about calling them ALL Thor level beings. Clearly, if they were.. he woudln't be able to take out tow of them while weakened.
Don't make me explain how it completely destroys your argument.
And don't pretend that you couldn't understand the import of it. You're not stupid.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not saying THanos would definalty win.. but I think he could for the following reasons...1. Durability - He's taken worse than what these guys have showed combined really. Him walking Through a Gungnir blast from Odin.. Taking a full powered scream from BB and then having a city dropped on him (when you consider what a smalller scream did to Strange and the watch.. you get an idea of uber that was) Taking shots from Tyrant.. Maker.. Magus with IG and not being KO'd. Being point blank at a supernova explosion.. black hole.. Taking Thor's lighting with ease.. twice and his hammer shot (we've seen what Thor's lighting has done to others.. and remember what Thor hammer shot did to Galactus and others.. Thanos took it and easily) etc etc Things like these lead me to believe he can stand for quite awhile fighting these guys... which leads me to this..
2. Firepower - Thanos has the firepower to one shot some of these guys or seriously hurt them with a few shots.. Examples being.. HIm one shot killing Drax.. Adam Warlock and Phyla.. Literally all one shot killed. Blasting Galactus hundreds of feat through his ship and bouncing on a planet.. Him one shotting Thing.. and Then 2 shotting Thor in his earliest and weakest appearance... him killing Surfer with some amped punches... Him one shotting a Quasar construct that was holding teams of people back that were hitting it.. including Thor.. Drax.. Hulk and many others (Thanos one shot it.. showing his superior firepower to other heralds) Him punching Mar-Vell from Saturn to earth... Just look at him going super Saiyan.. that was him just amping up and it was literally blowiing heroes away.. what do you think woudl happen if he fired shots or punches in that mode? These are just a few examples showing he has the firepower to put these guys down with the only problem being Kurrth..
3. Shields - Not only does he have the durability to tank what most of these guys pack.. if not.. he can rely on his shields... Shields that took a constant blast for awhile from Omega (a being said to be more powerful than Galactus) His shields made a WELL fed Galactus need to go feed again just to break through Thanos' shields (he ever commented.. I've never had to work to hard to break a mere shield) We've seen his shiedls taking punches from a pissed of PG weilding Champion for awhile before breaking. These feats to me clearly show that if Thanos' raises his shields.. These guys won't be able to get through it for awhile. Who left standing by then that is.
4. Other abiliities - Mind rape.. We've seen him mind rape the hulk with utter ease and have him to on the avengers. We've seen him best Moondragon amped by the Mind gem once... Shit she couldn't even read his mind at all another time... Three of the strongest telepaths in marvel couldn't even shut him down while he was weakened and not at full power. Shit.. he came closer to mind raping galactus than Odin did imo.. He turned a Galactus herald into his own with ease.. He mind raped The Maker with utter ease. Point is, I see no reason why he couldn't mind rape some of these guys with ease and turn them on eachother
Teleportation and BFR - Thanos can do both and has done so in fights. There is scans of Thanos teleporting while fighting Surfer... Surfer would blast him and thanos would teleport out of the way. He can levitate... what feats of flight or levitation do all the worthy have? If not, why couldn't Thanos just levitate in the air and start blasting them? We've seen Thanos BFR Champion with ease.. Surfer with ease just to name a few times he's done it. Thus, that is a viable tactic to use here against some of these guys.
Lastly - He has expereince with Thor and Mjolnirs.. He's stopped a Thor hammer mid flight before.. He's palmed Thor's hammer with ease in his latest appearance. Point is, he's faced Thor numerous times before and knows how to beat him and how to minimize the hammer's effectiveness or just plain stop it if thrown.
These are the reasons and feats that give me the impression that Thanos could win this fight. Woudn't be easy.. and he may not.. but he certainly could.
Originally posted by Bentley
How is Kuurth beating Thanos if Thanos can teleport at will and has great reflexes? At best this would be a stalemate for the Worthy.
that's kind of where i think i fall out as well. it would extremely interesting to see juggs/thanos happen in a book to see how that fight would actually go. i hate having juggs in any thread. always makes things difficult. :/
Originally posted by Sundipped
😂
i just wanted to add a couple things about thanos and his relative power levels. most know him already, but still, i found this pretty impressive from TI and don't recall many mentioning this:
here we see the worldmind describing the power level of adam magus:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/nova-1.jpg.html
exceeds [fake quasar's] power level for a degree WM cannot even measure. and there is proof that faux quasar was as powerful, or nearly so, as the real one.
THIS is what lord mar-vell did to adam magus:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/nova2.jpg.html
one-shot KILL. that in itself is a ludicrous feat. below, we see what happens when thanos meets mar-vell in a universe that was actively anathema to him and affected him to the point where he collapsed when he first arrived. (as you can see below in the first of the 3 final scans....)
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/1-6.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/15.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/2-7.jpg.html
now i realize the fight wasn't done, but that sampling is more than enough to make me think thanos was AT LEAST on mar-vell's level, and from the way the fight was going, i don't think it illogical to believe he was actually MORE powerful than mar-vell.
one more quick example that i found impressive:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/defenders1.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/defenders2.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/defenders3.jpg.html
those alternates may not have been as tough as the real universe counterparts (though there is some proof that the alternates were nearly as powerful as their real universe counterparts) that is STILL some impressive as hell output. he literally, while weakened, one-shot killed the alternate defenders. just more support for the notion that thanos is WELL above the herald level, and that he would have a chance in this battle--a good chance, imo. it's all about that friggin juggernaut.....
Originally posted by leonidasjust shows how above HH like the worthy he really is. great post
that's kind of where i think i fall out as well. it would extremely interesting to see juggs/thanos happen in a book to see how that fight would actually go. i hate having juggs in any thread. always makes things difficult. :/😂
i just wanted to add a couple things about thanos and his relative power levels. most know him already, but still, i found this pretty impressive from TI and don't recall many mentioning this:
here we see the worldmind describing the power level of adam magus:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/nova-1.jpg.html
exceeds [fake quasar's] power level for a degree WM cannot even measure. and there is proof that faux quasar was as powerful, or nearly so, as the real one.
THIS is what lord mar-vell did to adam magus:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/nova2.jpg.html
one-shot KILL. that in itself is a ludicrous feat. below, we see what happens when thanos meets mar-vell in a universe that was actively anathema to him and affected him to the point where he collapsed when he first arrived. (as you can see below in the first of the 3 final scans....)
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/1-6.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/15.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/2-7.jpg.html
now i realize the fight wasn't done, but that sampling is more than enough to make me think thanos was AT LEAST on mar-vell's level, and from the way the fight was going, i don't think it illogical to believe he was actually MORE powerful than mar-vell.
one more quick example that i found impressive:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/defenders1.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/defenders2.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/defenders3.jpg.html
those alternates may not have been as tough as the real universe counterparts (though there is some proof that the alternates were nearly as powerful as their real universe counterparts) that is STILL some impressive as hell output. he literally, while weakened, one-shot killed the alternate defenders. just more support for the notion that thanos is WELL above the herald level, and that he would have a chance in this battle--a good chance, imo. it's all about that friggin juggernaut.....
Originally posted by BentleyI'm not sure if Thanos can teleport with tech anymore. He hasn't did so since dying. Eternals don't like to teleport naturally. So it's against Thanos character to teleport in mid battle naturally. He would use shields first.
How is Kuurth beating Thanos if Thanos can teleport at will and has great reflexes? At best this would be a stalemate for the Worthy.
Nul is a lot stronger than Thor. He would probably bash Thanos head in good with his fists.
