Thanos VS THE WORTHY

Originally posted by carver9
Thor looked fine after the Serpent BFR blast.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4844/thorvshulkandthing.jpg

And you are correct, Nul hit Thor twice and the dialog Thor had against Nul is completely different than the dialog he had against Thanos. Thor actually felt as if he could beat Thanos but his words was different against Nul, along with his attack measures.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg

Interesting how it turns from 1 shot, to 2 shots. But if you're counting two shots by Nul, then you add in the shot by Thing, and the blast by the Serpent.
Also, he thought he could beat Thanos, good point. That explains why Thanos was unconscious floating in space after the fight. But as long as Thor thought! He also thought he could beat Serpent in the scans I posted. Guess that makes Nul > Serpent.

Originally posted by carver9
Please relay to me the last time Thanos has actually teleported someone? He just fought a team of powerhouses and didn't teleport a single member from the battlefield.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said Thanos can't bfr...I know it's within his ability to do but I CAN'T see him doing it here since he rarely if ever use that tactic. Thor has bfred people more than Thanos and I don't see people going in threads using that as a tactic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thanos can just teleport them away (except for Kuurth, the main threat here).

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Great scan. That about proves that.
Except when he's bleeding out of his mouth after getting hit by the Serpent which indicates it wasn't just a BFR:
http://i62.tinypic.com/j79ee8.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/4jax3n.jpg

Interesting how it turns from 1 shot, to 2 shots. But if you're counting two shots by Nul, then you add in the shot by Thing, and the blast by the Serpent.
Also, he thought he could beat Thanos, good point. That explains why Thanos was unconscious floating in space after the fight. But as long as Thor thought! He also thought he could beat Serpent in the scans I posted. Guess that makes Nul > Serpent.

The blast was meant to bfr Thor...that was even confirmed by Serpent when he used the attack. I'm pretty sure the ground impact had a lot to do with Thor bleeding.

I don't mind saying I am wrong and it was more than a one shot. Can't remember Angrir hitting him though. Are.you talking about this scene because if so, I thought this was Nul (you could be right due to the shape of the hammer)...

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4452/thorvshulkandthing2.jpg

Also, it's debatable if Nul was unconscious and we've debated this topic before and it didn't get anywhere so I am not discussing it again. Like I've said, Thor bfred Nul for a reason, he knew his chances against him wasn't so great...especially looking at the way Nul handled the multiple charged hammer shots from a Thor that admitted he was trying to kill him...

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4769/thorvshulkandthing5b.jpg

The guy bounced right back up as if it didn't happen, whereas Thor.pretty much told Thanos ONE of them is dying today. The confidence level was different. And lets not forget, Thor just came back from a prolong battle against some planetary space knight. There was a time he even allowed one of the builders to punch on him. So more than likely, since he JUST came from a war, just landed on Earth...Thor wasn't at 100% when he fought Thanos. None of the Avenger were.

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Are you actually saying that Thanos had her deal with Hulk because he couldn't get the job done himself? He literally swatted him away like a fly.. like literally. Having other people do your dirty work doesn't mean you can't do it yourself.. That makes no sense what so ever.

The point is.. people have been saying Thanos can't beat 8 Thor level beings... THAT is why I was making sure it's clear.. they AREN'T all, even most, Thor level. Understand now? So if we have most that are below Thor level... Why is it so hard to believe that Thanos wouldn't one shot a few... BFR a few or just tax that ass in general? Thanos treated Thor like a feeb in their fight and literally blew hiim away and others just by powering up.. let alone releasing a blast.. I'm not saying thanos for sure wins... but he certainly has a shot in my book

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Erm.. Dunno how that's valid. They all can easily port back...

Originally posted by carver9
The blast was meant to bfr Thor...that was even confirmed by Serpent when he used the attack. I'm pretty sure the ground impact had a lot to do with Thor bleeding.

I don't mind saying I am wrong and it was more than a one shot. Can't remember Angrir hitting him though. Are.you talking about this scene because if so, I thought this was Nul (you could be right due to the shape of the hammer)...

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4452/thorvshulkandthing2.jpg

Also, it's debatable if Nul was unconscious and we've debated this topic before and it didn't get anywhere so I am not discussing it again. Like I've said, Thor bfred Nul for a reason, he knew his chances against him wasn't so great...especially looking at the way Nul handled the multiple charged hammer shots from a Thor that admitted he was trying to kill him...

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4769/thorvshulkandthing5b.jpg

The guy bounced right back up as if it didn't happen, whereas Thor.pretty much told Thanos ONE of them is dying today. The confidence level was different. And lets not forget, Thor just came back from a prolong battle against some space knight. There was a time he even allowed one of the builders to punch on him. So more than likely, since he JUST came from a war, just landed on Earth...Thor wasn't at 100% when he fought Thanos. None of the Avenger were.

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lol at the blast meaning to BFR him by Serpent's own words. Well, obviously he meant to BFR him, that doesn't mean he didn't blast an attack that hit Thor and then he bled afterwards.

That's not Nul... and even if, you basically went from Nul hitting him once to three times by your own words.

It's not debatable though. You saying it is without a debate doesn't mean it's debatable.

lol at some Space Knight. You've convinced me.
Oh no, not the Builders though. That equals the Serpent. Actually, if you want to dig that far, let's dig that far.
Thor got his absolute ass handed to him by Odin in the first issue. Then he got blasted by Serpent in the forth issue. Then he fought Hulk/Thing in the 5th. He also got dropped from the sky twice in issue four, which is something you think makes him bleed (your own words).
In Infinity, the only time Thor took any damage before his fight with Thanos was from a backhand from the Builder.
Which one would have the bigger effects?

Also, Thanos got screamed at by BB to a point where he had cuts everywhere, on top of getting a city basically dropped on him. 😬

But you keep bringing up confidence, yet you blatantly ignore Thor thinking he's going to kill Serpent (which he did). Nul > Serpent by your logic.

But no, let's delve deeper into this.
Here is Thor threatening Surtur with the Twilight Sword.
http://i58.tinypic.com/2u6d8c8.jpg

Thor thinking he can kill Surtur with one shot:
http://i58.tinypic.com/wu03kz.jpg

Nul > Surtur

Thor threatening Galactus:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FF243_24.jpg

Nul > Galactus

Thor threatening the entire Celestial Host:
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/32350/581208-2289123-ThorvsCelestials01300.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/69579/1323328-thor_vs_arishem_3.jpg

Nul > The Entire Celestial Forth Host

I know he thought he could beat Gorr a lot so I'm not even going to look for that. I wonder if I could find him thinking he can beat an IG user though...

Anyway, because your logic means so much, we have Nul > Thanos, Serpent, Surtur, Galactus, and an entire Celestial Host. Gee, I wonder if your logic is questionable.

Confidence level bro.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you actually saying that Thanos had her deal with Hulk because he couldn't get the job done himself? He literally swatted him away like a fly.. like literally. Having other people do your dirty work doesn't mean you can't do it yourself.. That makes no sense what so ever.

The point is.. people have been saying Thanos can't beat 8 Thor level beings... THAT is why I was making sure it's clear.. they AREN'T all, even most, Thor level. Understand now? So if we have most that are below Thor level... Why is it so hard to believe that Thanos wouldn't one shot a few... BFR a few or just tax that ass in general? Thanos treated Thor like a feeb in their fight and literally blew hiim away and others just by powering up.. let alone releasing a blast.. I'm not saying thanos for sure wins... but he certainly has a shot in my book

I never said Thanos had her deal with Hulk because he was afraid but the only person Thanos did face was Thor during that arc, so using Infinity as an arguments doesn't hold here since, well, Thanos really didn't do anything minus show great durability.

LOL at punching Hulk ONCE and that showing some type of superiority. Thats insane. Hulk shrugged Thanos punch off with a smile. The only thing you can get from that is, now we know Thanos can budge Hulk.

Which Worthy wasn't Thor level? All of them took on teams and won, I'm trying to figure out where you are getting the idea that they were inferior to Thor. Are you saying this because Mjlonir hammer went through Thing from behind? Are you saying this because Thor bfred Nul at the cost of his life (and lets not forget, Nul was perfectly ok afterwards, while Odin had to heal Thor). What reasons are you using to indicate they aren't on Thor level?

Back on to Thanos...what did Thanos do during that arc that impressed you so much?

Here we have him punching Hulk (who shrugged it off with a smile).

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/l0kv.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/f6hd.jpg/

Then we have him fighting Thor one on one, eye blasting him while taking on Ms. Marvel.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/i2lq.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/30/yrcb.jpg/

He sucker shot Binary.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/9dy4.jpg/

And we seen the Thor showing. I dont know why Thanos is getting so much props when Proxima looked more impressive anyways. She took out Hulk. She nearly took out both Hyperion and Binary with a charged ground spear. She took out Cap and by mistake, took out her partner. If anyone needs to be praised here, it should be here because Thanos really didn't do much if anything minus face Thor. It was a good display towards his durability but that fight does not give us an indication that he can beat a team of this caliber, let alone take out a group of them.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So now Thor bleeds from hitting the ground?
So why wasn't he bleeding with Odin didn't blast him but simply Bfr'ed him?
http://i59.tinypic.com/18nbzq.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/72yfx0.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/wiq0sj.jpg

lol at the blast meaning to BFR him by Serpent's own words. Well, obviously he meant to BFR him, that doesn't mean he didn't blast an attack that hit Thor and then he bled afterwards.

That's not Nul... and even if, you basically went from Nul hitting him once to three times by your own words.

It's not debatable though. You saying it is without a debate doesn't mean it's debatable.

lol at some Space Knight. You've convinced me.
Oh no, not the Builders though. That equals the Serpent. Actually, if you want to dig that far, let's dig that far.
Thor got his absolute ass handed to him by Odin in the first issue. Then he got blasted by Serpent in the forth issue. Then he fought Hulk/Thing in the 5th. He also got dropped from the sky twice in issue four, which is something you think makes him bleed (your own words).
In Infinity, the only time Thor took any damage before his fight with Thanos was from a backhand from the Builder.
Which one would have the bigger effects?

Also, Thanos got screamed at by BB to a point where he had cuts everywhere, on top of getting a city basically dropped on him. 😬

But you keep bringing up confidence, yet you blatantly ignore Thor thinking he's going to kill Serpent (which he did). Nul > Serpent by your logic.

But no, let's delve deeper into this.
Here is Thor threatening Surtur with the Twilight Sword.
http://i58.tinypic.com/2u6d8c8.jpg

Thor thinking he can kill Surtur with one shot:
http://i58.tinypic.com/wu03kz.jpg

Nul > Surtur

Thor threatening Galactus:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FF243_24.jpg

Nul > Galactus

Thor threatening the entire Celestial Host:
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/32350/581208-2289123-ThorvsCelestials01300.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/69579/1323328-thor_vs_arishem_3.jpg

Nul > The Entire Celestial Forth Host

I know he thought he could beat Gorr a lot so I'm not even going to look for that. I wonder if I could find him thinking he can beat an IG user though...

Anyway, because your logic means so much, we have Nul > Thanos, Serpent, Surtur, Galactus, and an entire Celestial Host. Gee, I wonder if your logic is questionable.

Confidence level bro.

In the scans you posted where Odin bfrs him, we cant even see his face, so how am I suppose to know if Thor is injured or not? Also, dont accuse me of something your scan clearly says. Serpent blasts him and states BEGONE.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j79ee8&s=8#.UuhHaxAo6T8

Its clear the attack was meant as a bfr tactic just like Odin attack was meant to bfr as well.

Thor is a high Herald. He should be able to weather the stuff you've mentioned. Its just what he does, along with Supes, Surfer, etc, etc... they press through while retaining their power level. It was nothing stated during that issue or his fight with Nul and Angrir that he was weakened because he wasn't. He was just in a losing battle that he tactically found a way to get out of with the winning record. That doesn't change the fact that during that one battle, he threatened Nul TWICE with the death sentence while hitting him with charged hammer strikes (while screaming DIE) and going super saiyan on him.

You can post all of the scans you want with Thor saying he wants to hurt someone but that doesn't take away from the fact that he said (yes, twice) that he wanted to kill Nul and in the same comic, kill a possessed friend without remorse. You would have probably had an argument if he didn't outright run his hammer through a comrade. Thor intent was to kill Nul and Nul shrugged that crap off.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So now Thor bleeds from hitting the ground?
So why wasn't he bleeding with Odin didn't blast him but simply Bfr'ed him?
http://i59.tinypic.com/18nbzq.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/72yfx0.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/wiq0sj.jpg

lol at the blast meaning to BFR him by Serpent's own words. Well, obviously he meant to BFR him, that doesn't mean he didn't blast an attack that hit Thor and then he bled afterwards.

That's not Nul... and even if, you basically went from Nul hitting him once to three times by your own words.

It's not debatable though. You saying it is without a debate doesn't mean it's debatable.

lol at some Space Knight. You've convinced me.
Oh no, not the Builders though. That equals the Serpent. Actually, if you want to dig that far, let's dig that far.
Thor got his absolute ass handed to him by Odin in the first issue. Then he got blasted by Serpent in the forth issue. Then he fought Hulk/Thing in the 5th. He also got dropped from the sky twice in issue four, which is something you think makes him bleed (your own words).
In Infinity, the only time Thor took any damage before his fight with Thanos was from a backhand from the Builder.
Which one would have the bigger effects?

Also, Thanos got screamed at by BB to a point where he had cuts everywhere, on top of getting a city basically dropped on him. 😬

But you keep bringing up confidence, yet you blatantly ignore Thor thinking he's going to kill Serpent (which he did). Nul > Serpent by your logic.

But no, let's delve deeper into this.
Here is Thor threatening Surtur with the Twilight Sword.
http://i58.tinypic.com/2u6d8c8.jpg

Thor thinking he can kill Surtur with one shot:
http://i58.tinypic.com/wu03kz.jpg

Nul > Surtur

Thor threatening Galactus:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FF243_24.jpg

Nul > Galactus

Thor threatening the entire Celestial Host:
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/32350/581208-2289123-ThorvsCelestials01300.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/69579/1323328-thor_vs_arishem_3.jpg

Nul > The Entire Celestial Forth Host

I know he thought he could beat Gorr a lot so I'm not even going to look for that. I wonder if I could find him thinking he can beat an IG user though...

Anyway, because your logic means so much, we have Nul > Thanos, Serpent, Surtur, Galactus, and an entire Celestial Host. Gee, I wonder if your logic is questionable.

Confidence level bro.

he 'sounded confident'? 😑

bro, that actually IS one of the worst arguments i've ever heard. he flat out TOLD nul he was going to DIE. how is that somehow 'less confident' than telling thanos ONE of them was going to die? huh? he was confident that he was going to kill nul. he was confident he OR thanos would die. what a weird argument.

and he wasn't trying to bfr hulk because he had no other options. he thought he was going to kill him. you know, like the others he THOUGHT he could kill. only instead of bleeding and crying out from the hit, thanos took thor's charged shot then proceeded to one-shot drop him BEFORE getting pi$$ed. i seriously have no idea where you think that line of argument can possibly go my friend......

Originally posted by carver9
In the scans you posted where Odin bfrs him, we cant even see his face, so how am I suppose to know if Thor is injured or not? Also, dont accuse me of something your scan clearly says. Serpent blasts him and states BEGONE.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j79ee8&s=8#.UuhHaxAo6T8

Its clear the attack was meant as a bfr tactic just like Odin attack was meant to bfr as well.

Thor is a high Herald. He should be able to weather the stuff you've mentioned. Its just what he does, along with Supes, Surfer, etc, etc... they press through while retaining their power level. It was nothing stated during that issue or his fight with Nul and Angrir that he was weakened because he wasn't. He was just in a losing battle that he tactically found a way to get out of with the winning record. That doesn't change the fact that during that one battle, he threatened Nul TWICE with the death sentence while hitting him with charged hammer strikes (while screaming DIE) and going super saiyan on him.

You can post all of the scans you want with Thor saying he wants to hurt someone but that doesn't take away from the fact that he said (yes, twice) that he wanted to kill Nul and in the same comic, kill a possessed friend without remorse. You would have probably had an argument if he didn't outright run his hammer through a comrade. Thor intent was to kill Nul and Nul shrugged that crap off.

And then he blasts him and Thor is bleeding. Odin merely opened a portal. Serpent blasted him. AND HE BLED
I know he BFR'ed Thor. I never said he didn't. However, that doesn't mean that's all he did, which you are taking as an absolute.
I don't know how I keep finding examples to go against what you are saying, but here's another one. Order tells the Avengers to GO AWAY:
http://i59.tinypic.com/2cgoooy.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/10qdxkg.jpg

Naturally all he did was BFR them, right Carv?

Oh, but it's OK when when you bring up A SPACE KNIGHT and a BUILDER to say Thor wasn't at 100 percent against Thanos? I like how you immediately take that back though once what happened in FI was presented. Maybe you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.
There's a reason I didn't bring up his thrashing against Odin, because it was a while ago. However, his blasting from the Serpent happened IMMEDIATELY before he fought Thing and Hulk. As did his fall to Earth, which is apparently what you think makes Thor bleed.
Which kind of factors into your original assertion that Hulk almost killed Thor with one shot in that fight... which you yourself have admitted was a blatant made up lie.

And your point would have a point if you didn't previously bring up his CONFIDENCE LEVEL as your sole point. Nothing you said there contradicts what I said though. Good try there.
Apparently him saying one of him dies between Thanos and him is relevant here, but we just shake off him saying the same shit about Surtur, Serpent, Galactus, and a Celestial Host?

The fact is he said none of this out loud against beings like that, that he could never win, and that's what you're using to say Nul > Thanos. They are the same thing as the Thanos example, so if they're applicable to him, why aren't they applicable to those beings? Oh that's right, you doubled back.

I never denied he wanted to kill Hulk. Way to make up an argument you can debate against. I'm just saying a concession doesn't automatically make him superior to beings he didn't concede to.

Nothing I said applies to actual power levels of Thanos vs Hulk, so you can keep making shit up as you please. It's just that Hulk in no way one shotted Thor (which you conceded), and Thor "conceding" to Hulk but having SUPER AWESOME CONFIDENCE against Thanos means dick all.
I know you're going to think Hulk can beat anyone ever, but that doesn't mean you have to use the worst logic ever to try and convince anyone else of this.

This page shows what the Avengers did before heading to Earth and fighting Thanos and his crew:

Thor and Ms. Marvel look so exhausted and beat up from their war, especially in the last panel where they're enjoying some leisurely rest. Yeah, the Avengers totally weren't 100% before they fought Thanos.

Majority of the fight against the builders took place off panel. Lets not pretend like we saw the entire fight.

Just opened this thread. See that I have a lot of replying to do.

Originally posted by carver9
Just opened this thread. See that I have a lot of replying to do.

You're going to need prep for a possible oncoming text blitz from Bran. It will require your best shields, durability, and damage soak. Some sort of amp wouldn't hurt either.

Originally posted by leonidas
agree or disagree at your pleasure. kinda fun arguing in favor of the purple guy this one and only time.....

Quan approved. 👆

Originally posted by carver9
I never said Thanos can't bfr...I know it's within his ability to do but I CAN'T see him doing it here since he rarely if ever use that tactic. Thor has bfred people more than Thanos and I don't see people going in threads using that as a tactic.

We use that tactic all the time 😬

Originally posted by One-Punch
This page shows what the Avengers did before heading to Earth and fighting Thanos and his crew:

Thor and Ms. Marvel look so exhausted and beat up from their war, especially in the last panel where they're enjoying some leisurely rest. Yeah, the Avengers totally weren't 100% before they fought Thanos.

This tie-in issue was intended to be fun and light-hearted while the actual relevant issues in terms of the story were far more gritty, and made it obvious that the Avengers were growing weary from the constant fighting.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
That particular scan you posted from Wolverine and the X-Men was set prior to the Avengers arriving in Earths orbit and before fighting the huge fleet of ships that had seized the HAMMER spacestation, which was before they crash landed on Earth.

This tie-in issue was intended to be fun and light-hearted while the actual relevant issues in terms of the story were far more gritty, and made it obvious that the Avengers were weary from the constant fighting.

I wondered why Kid Gladiator was there. Also, when did he get flame breath?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I wondered why Kid Gladiator was there. Also, when did he get flame breath?

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Could be that Shi'ar curry, hot stuff I'm told. I think he's actually "eating" the explosion that occurred in the first panel. Also I like how he completely failed at the arm wrestle yet told everyone at the school he won. Gotta love some Kid Glads lol 👆

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