Thanos VS THE WORTHY

Originally posted by ODG
Thor-level =/= Thor-equal. But let's consider Thor's actual career of 2v1 fights. Thor defeated Surfer and Beta Ray Bill without nearly dying. Thor defeated Surfer and Adam Warlock w/SG without nearly dying. Thor defeated Loki and Fenrir w/ Mjolnir knockoffs in straight H2H without nearly dying. And Thor defeated Angrir and Nul but at nearly the cost of his own life. So really, I think you need to reconsider your assertions and take back your bald accusations about what makes "logical sense." The other Avengers were already defeated by his Black Order. Beyond Thanos' cheapshot ambush that took out Binary, Thor was the only Avenger that Thanos really engaged in a straight fight. Give credit where credit's due, but let's not inflate what Thanos did there.

Big ODG.. you actually support my stance on the matter with the examples in your post. You see, Thor has said track record (forgetting some context for a moment) of fighting and defeating 2 herald level beings at once... First, the worthy don't have said track record for beating said heralds and the quality of said heralds. Thus, Thor by feats in above them.. so they aren't Thor level. Second, if Thor could defeat them while injured and dying... how on earth could they be Thor level. If they were Thor level.. by that reasoning.. they could also take out 2 Thor's at once.. like your examples illustrate. Yet, not only were they not able to take out one thor.. they couldn't even take out a dying Thor.. let alone two of them... So clearly, they aren't Thor level, not even close really. It's a difference between a high herald and a mid herald to low herald level. That is what we saw and why Thor was able to do what he was. In the examples you used Thor wasn't weakened or dying when he took out people 2 v 1.. here he was.. That tells you those Worthy were certainly not Thor level. I think it's you who should think about calling them ALL Thor level beings. Clearly, if they were.. he woudln't be able to take out tow of them while weakened.

Originally posted by ODG
The other Avengers were already defeated by his Black Order. Beyond Thanos' cheapshot ambush that took out Binary, Thor was the only Avenger that Thanos really engaged in a straight fight. Give credit where credit's due, but let's not inflate what Thanos did there.

Originally posted by ODG
The other Avengers were already defeated by his Black Order. Beyond Thanos' cheapshot ambush that took out Binary, Thor was the only Avenger that Thanos really engaged in a straight fight. Give credit where credit's due, but let's not inflate what Thanos did there.

Which part am I inflating? True, the Hype and the other Avengers were already hurt, hence why my post focused more on the fact that Thor (after having his head smashed into the ground) couldn't even stand up and was being blown away by Thanos' mere act of powering up. That was the part I was really emphasizing on.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Which part am I inflating? True, the Hype and the other Avengers were already hurt, hence why my post focused more on the fact that Thor (after having his head smashed into the ground) couldn't even stand up and was being blown away by Thanos' mere act of powering up. That was the part I was really emphasizing on.

The problem is no one has addressed how Thanos gets past Nul or even Kuurth.

I think we all know about Kuurth, no explaination needed...some of the Worthys had low showings but overall, they were formidable. Example...I dont think Thanos showed close to the strength Nul displayed...the strongest and was stated as being the most powerful of the Worthys. During his fight with Thor, the same Thor that withstood hits from Surfer with no pause, a single hit from Nul had Thor on the brink of his life...to the point that he needed healing from Odin.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg

Thanos didn't generate close to that amount of force (again, this is the same Thor that brushed off hits from Surfer and ran through a power blast from Surfer as well).

The strength Nul displayed was above Herald class as well, hell, has a skyfather performed fts within this class in 'one' issue? The guy effortlessly ripped amped adamantium apart with one hand.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/9397726/10-12-2011_15.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/9397728/10-12-2011_16.jpg.html

And he crushed enchanted Uru like tissue paper.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/9397730/10-12-2011_20.jpg.html

Backed by a team that consist of Kuurth and Absorbing man...this is a stomp imo.

^for all that, thanos was the one who arguably ohko'd thor, something no hulk has ever come close to doing. and the power given off by that clash of hammers was a combined attack by thor AND nul, most likely hammer-to-hammer.....we saw what happened when thor ACTUALLY connected with a good shot. we also saw what happened when thor connected likewise with thanos. hell, we've seen the affect he's had on thanos while amped with the frickin power gem.

imo it just boils down to the fact that for all that we kept hearing the worthy were thor-level, i don't think they were. or not most of them. it is a fact that thor took on 2 (one hulk) and won while he was hurt, and to win, he....really didn't do very much. a return one-shot killed ben, and he bfr'd hulk with a strike (ko or not ko'd is up to the individual). the battle was short and sweet and thor had previously been through hell before that battle.

imo, that was pretty clearly intended to say 'while the worthy are tough, and have magic hammers, they are NOT thor'. it's not like he used a GB to end it, or some crazy, PIS hammer power--he showed up, injured, and won. i really can't see any 2 of the worthy beating him if he's actually going for a kill, unless you mix in juggs and i've readily admitted to not knowing how that juggs/thanos battle would go.

when i look at the way thanos dealt with thor (whom i again consider above all the worthy save juggs), and has dealt with him in the past, imo, that indicates quite clearly how far above this level thanos is meant to be. take into account the worthy's lack of uber impressive offense (especially when compared with the assaults thanos has faced in the past--seriously, his feats are pretty ridiculous and i think they bare reviewing for some....) and i'm not sure how anyone says it would only take 2-3 to drop thanos. i never said the fight would be easy, obviously, and i also said they MIGHT win, but the vast majority of them would die imo. juggs would be the real deciding factor. i do think he wins though, if juggs is absent.

agree or disagree at your pleasure. kinda fun arguing in favor of the purple guy this one and only time.....

Originally posted by carver9
Example...I dont think Thanos showed close to the strength Nul displayed...the strongest and was stated as being the most powerful of the Worthys. During his fight with Thor, the same Thor that withstood hits from Surfer with no pause, a single hit from Nul had Thor on the brink of his life...to the point that he needed healing from Odin.

But yeah. ONE HIT

Using that logic, Thor one hit knocked out Nul.

Too many flaws in your post Leo. Like the injury Thor had during his fight against the Worthys along with Hulk not koing Thor (he koed him last yr). Let me get my scans together. Also, when did Thanos ko Thor, recently.?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This happened immediately after Thor took a blast from the Serpent, and then got hit a few times by Hulk/Thing.

But yeah. ONE HIT

Using that logic, Thor one hit knocked out Nul.

Thor looked fine after the Serpent BFR blast.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4844/thorvshulkandthing.jpg

And you are correct, Nul hit Thor twice and the dialog Thor had against Nul is completely different than the dialog he had against Thanos. Thor actually felt as if he could beat Thanos but his words was different against Nul, along with his attack measures.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg

Carver.. the point is THEY AREN'T ALL THOR LEVEL. This was made CRYSTAL clear when Thor beat TWO of them WHILE injured. If they were thor level.. there is no way Thor could take out two of them while injured. Usually that logic.. could you see one of them beating two Thor's? Obviously not, and the point is made clear when you reverse it like I've just done. They aren't Thor level and I odn't know what is so hard to understand about that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Carver.. the point is THEY AREN'T ALL THOR LEVEL. This was made CRYSTAL clear when Thor beat TWO of them WHILE injured. If they were thor level.. there is no way Thor could take out two of them while injured. Usually that logic.. could you see one of them beating two Thor's? Obviously not, and the point is made clear when you reverse it like I've just done. They aren't Thor level and I odn't know what is so hard to understand about that.

I never said all of them were Thor level and Thor played his cards right and fought the Worthys in a way Thanos can't or won't do. Thanos doesn't have an attack that would bust through the Worthys back while they are attacking him. Thanos also can't use Mjlonir to encase himself in pure energy, enough energy to create enough force to bfr the Worthys through a lightning Bolt.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg

So yeah, with Mjlonir, Thanos probably could replicate what Thor did but we both know he doesn't have it. Don't know.why you keep bringing up Thor anyways. Thor with Mjlonir has done things that Thanos can only dream about.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said all of them were Thor level and Thor played his cards right and fought the Worthys in a way Thanos can't or won't do. Thanos doesn't have an attack that would bust through the Worthys back while they are attacking him. Thanos also can't use Mjlonir to encase himself in pure energy, enough energy to create enough force to bfr the Worthys through a lightning Bolt.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg

So yeah, with Mjlonir, Thanos probably could replicate what Thor did but we both know.he doesn't have it. Don't know.why you keep bringing up Thor anyways. Thor with Mjlonir has done things that Thanos can only dream about.

Thanos can just teleport them away (except for Kuurth, the main threat here).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thanos can just teleport them away (except for Kuurth, the main threat here).

Please relay to me the last time Thanos has actually teleported someone? He just fought a team of powerhouses and didn't teleport a single member from the battlefield.

Originally posted by carver9
Please relay to me the last time Thanos has actually teleported someone? He just fought a team of powerhouses and didn't teleport a single member from the battlefield.

Originally posted by carver9
Please relay to me the last time Thanos has actually teleported someone? He just fought a team of powerhouses and didn't teleport a single member from the battlefield.

They weren't a threat to him. The team he fought weren't on the level of the Worthy, Nul for example was more of a threat than Indestructible.

[i] During his fight with Thor, the same Thor that withstood hits from Surfer with no pause,

A few attacks from a Silver Surfer who dont wanted to fight. And this is not the same Thor. After that fight, Thor alredy was feeling hurt because he was injured. The fight against Nul was much time later - he was felling much more hurt at this moment.

Someone with a disease: You cant say the guy is the same in day 1 and in day 30. Of course in the day 30 he is much more damaged.

The strength Nul displayed was above Herald class as well, hell, has a skyfather performed fts within this class in 'one' issue? The guy effortlessly ripped amped adamantium apart with one hand.

😂

What about WBH ?

And lets not forget that Thanos took the Proxima Spear from someone before giving it to her.

The ideia that Proxima could beat Hulk because the spear, but we cant know how Thanos would go, is the dumbest thing i ever read here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They weren't a threat to him. The team he fought weren't on the level of the Worthy, Nul for example was more of a threat than Indestructible.

They had to have been since he sent his henchmen in to face them instead if doing it himself. He didn't even fight Hulk before sending his crew in to face Hulk for him. Not saying that he was afraid or anything but if he didn't feel as if the team wasn't powerful enough, why not take them out yourself?

Thanos rarely if ever bfrs during battle and the time he does usually involves circumstances.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
A few attacks from a Silver Surfer who dont wanted to fight. And this is not the same Thor. After that fight, Thor alredy was feeling hurt because he was injured. The fight against Nul was much time later - he was felling much more hurt at this moment.

Someone with a disease: You cant say the guy is the same in day 1 and in day 30. Of course in the day 30 he is much more damaged.

😂

What about WBH ?

You're too easy to debate against. Leave it to me and my buddy dark.

Originally posted by zopzop
Thanos lifted a finger and painfully BFRed an amped Champion.

I never said Thanos can't bfr...I know it's within his ability to do but I CAN'T see him doing it here since he rarely if ever use that tactic. Thor has bfred people more than Thanos and I don't see people going in threads using that as a tactic.