Originally posted by Estacado
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Pretty much.
GR first have to get a grip on Clark.
Which is basically impossible for him since Superman is faster,stronger he could easily evade him.
This^^
And how is he going to hold Superman face to face and wait a minute for PS to work when he could barley get it to work on the pure evil.
Originally posted by Psychotron
All the buildings they fought in were empty.Has the PS ever been used on someone who's not evil? Anyway Superman is too fast to be caught by the PS even if it does work on him. A single uppercut and Ghost Rider will be in orbit.
IIRC, it hasn't but again, that's besides the point. As I mentioned before, the reason the Rider doesn't use it on innocent souls is due to CIS. However if you feel even the slightest shred of guilt, then you are fair game for the Rider(Blake's narrative in the opening scene), and Superman clearly feels that guilt due to being unable to save Pa Kent and killing Zod, even though he was given no choice in either scenario. The moment the stare locks on, you freeze into place. This shown by the numerous examples of people being unable to move from their spot the moment the Rider had his eyes locked onto them.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
lol Its pretty dumb to think it will hurt him. The PS takes all the pain, terror, and evil you have caused to burn your soul. What has Superman even done? lmao at the thought of it hurting him.
Superman very clearly feels guilt from the deaths of Pa Kent and being forced to execute Zod. The stare will work just fine on him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Was he KOED first time? I don't remember much from that shitty movie.
Originally posted by Epicurus
@Psychotron: MoS writer David Goyer's own opinion of the collateral damage caused from their fight further undermines your position.
I don't know what Goyer says, and I don't really care either. He's almost single-handedly destroying the DC movie universe. Anyway, rewatch the movie, all the building they fought in were empty.
Superman doesn't have to get close to GR, he can easily fly and spam heat vision, or move to fast for the Rider to react. What if grabs him from behind and flies him into space? Supes has too many options.
Originally posted by Psychotron
I don't know what Goyer says, and I don't really care either. He's almost single-handedly destroying the DC movie universe. Anyway, rewatch the movie, all the building they fought in were empty.Superman doesn't have to get close to GR, he can easily fly and spam heat vision, or move to fast for the Rider to react. What if grabs him from behind and flies him into space? Supes has too many options.
“We were pretty sure [the ending to 'Man of Steel'] was going to be controversial. It’s not like we were deluding ourselves, and we weren’t just doing it to be cool. We felt, in the case of Zod, we wanted to put the character in an impossible situation and make an impossible choice.I did, and there is no indication at all that there was a mass evacuation of Metropolis before the big fight began.“This is one area, and I’ve written comic books as well and this is where I disagree with some of my fellow comic book writers – ‘Superman doesn’t kill’. It’s a rule that exists outside of the narrative and I just don’t believe in rules like that. I believe when you’re writing film or television, you can’t rely on a crutch or rule that exists outside of the narrative of the film.”
It's in character for him to physically engage opponents in close-quarters. It's inevitable that he'll get close enough to the Rider, and that'll spell his doom. Heat vision? Are you kidding me? We're talking about a being who's entire body is drenched in mystical fire which can melt solid steel. Far as bfring goes, that's not going to stop him either. The Rider can open portals to other dimensions, as shown when he banished Rourke back to Hell in the 2nd film. If anyone's bring anyone here, it's the Rider, not Superman.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Goyer was screen-writer for the film, so his opinion directly overrides yours:I did, and there is no indication at all that there was a mass evacuation of Metropolis before the big fight began.It's in character for him to physically engage opponents in close-quarters. It's inevitable that he'll get close enough to the Rider, and that'll spell his doom. Heat vision? Are you kidding me? We're talking about a being who's entire body is drenched in mystical fire which can melt solid steel. Far as bfring goes, that's not going to stop him either. The Rider can open portals to other dimensions, as shown when he banished Rourke back to Hell in the 2nd film. If anyone's bring anyone here, it's the Rider, not Superman.
Nowhere in that quote does Goyer talk about millions of people dying in Metropolis, he only talks about Superman killing Zod.
Heat vision =/= hell fire. Even if that doesn't work Superman can still attack him from a distance. He can throw a train at him if he wants. And unless you show me Rider teleporting himself somewhere he can't get back from a bfr.
Given that you see lots of people in the streets and lots of people getting pulled up if the air and slammed back into the ground by the gravity engine I'd say it's safe to say that at the very least, a lot of people were still in the city when supes got back and they started slamming each other into buildings. It's not like the film was shy in showing gorey deaths. The guy getting ripped out of his cockpit and who disintegrates in a cloud of red mist shows that. Just look at the people from the Daily Planet. They weren't directly under the engine and decided pretty early to evacuate but were still stuck in the middle of the city during the Supes/Zod fight.