Thanos vs Classic Strange/Constantine

Started by Insane Titan4 pages

@Abhi

Originally posted by abhilegend
So? People force telepaths out of their minds everytime in comics.
good for them, Thanos did it to 3 whilst he was weakend big difference.
Do you think Thanos is a better TP than moondragon with mind gem?
without it yes
When she asked why she couldn't see in his mind, his answer wasn't that he was a member of Watch. It was "I'm thanos". Warlock had Thanos as a contingency, he was never an official member.
lol he was always a secret member of the watch, Warlock made it clear when he told people he had given the reality gem to someone but keep their ID secret.
Also Apoc was amped on the energy of The Twelve. Did you somehow forgot that?
His mental powers werent amped iirc

That's not a viable explanation here. Thanos vs Mar-vell should've ended in one panel, it didn't.
Thanos toyed with Marvell, just like he did at the end of Death of Captain Marvell and when he brought him back to life using the reality gem.

And that was done via moondragon's TP. Why use her when Thanos is a better TP?
are you just ignoring what i say on purpose? Thanos used her to create the mental enviroment him and Galactus fought on, if he was creating the place mentally they battled on and had a TP battle with Galactus at the same time he would of lost far quicker.
Why use Xavier, Moondragon and ****ing sleepwalker against Goddess?
because they attacked her on a metaphysical lvl thats why Thanos used the soul gem to try and penertrate the cosmic egg.

Because Thanos used Moondragon to contact Galactus, that's where her job ended.
So you admit she didnt aid in the actual battle? you know Thanos has displayed TP powers reading Gamoras thoughts from another dimension.

You are confusing me with h1.
nah bro you seem to be doing the same lately

^ Insane Titan boy you sure do have a lot of patience.

Originally posted by Sundipped
^ Insane Titan boy you sure do have a lot of patience.
cheers, but lol you're kidding right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
In what sense?

In the sense that Thanos wasn't toying with Moondragon as opposed to when he achieved his Godhood .......which is pretty obvious. No one here is denying that Thanos was playing when achieved Godhood (merged with the universe), Warlock even confirmed that Thanos allowed Marvel to shatter it during Infinity Gauntlet #5. However, prior to that, his main goal was his grand transformation, he was not playing. Go re-read the comics and you'll figure it out for yourself.

If you're still gonna deny it, then provide evidence that he was toying (which you don't have).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanos got the cube back one panel before Moonie engaged him. I don't have to tell you how CCU works, do I? It grants people their wishes.

Totally didn't know that.

It grants people wishes yes, turns thought into reality. So you can see how Moondragon resisting that kind of power, is ridiculous to argue. And that's exactly what you're doing.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Heaven forbid someone thinks that he was using CCU in their Psi battle too. Starlin never wrote Thanos being a better psi than Moonie without CCU. That fact alone throws doubt over that feat.

Right, it's not like you yourself just referenced Moondragon with the mind gem unable to read Thanos' mind, which happened in Warlock and the infinity watch #8, written by Starlin. Nor does Thanos calling Moondragon for help against Galactus in his series, prove anything.....but that's really beside the point; we saw Thanos take down Moondragon through a mind war, no indication was given that he was using the cube (which makes sense as opposed to Thanos using the cube), Period.

And no, that particular showing doesn't prove that Thanos' telepathy > MG Moondragon, because nobody said he could actually beat her. (Not that i care that much for Thanos' telepathy or Moondragon's for that matter. I don't really care to debate characters below the skyfather tier, that's why this'll probably be my last post regarding this topic).

And Moondragon was always good. One example not written by Starlin would be mindraping an entire planet as shown in Avengers #219, under Jim Shooter....after which her mental abilities were restricted for a while.

Originally posted by abhilegend

He was playing with her obviously. Its no more ridiculous than IG Thanos getting his shit kicked in by Earth's heroes or getting his head blown off by Quasar. There was no narration there either.

And neither was there a narration/statement/anything saying that Thanos wasn't using the cube there either. Anyway that's an ambiguous feat and you denying the obvious doesn't makes this non-ambiguous. If you like I can ask a mod about it.

Addressed. Not going to keep repeating myself hundred times.

The burden of proof is on you to present evidence that Thanos was using the cube (which you failed to), and that he was merely toying (which you double-failed to). Not that the evidence actually exists.

Ask a mod if you wish.

Originally posted by abhilegend

From Starlin's own works? Why did Thanos needed Xavier, Moondragon and ****ing Sleepwalker to battle Goddess when he is above Moondragon already before he got an amp?

And why wouldn't he need an amp to fight the goddess? It was also Xavier, Thanos and Warlock who battled the Goddess.

.....Also, that is relevant how exactly? You said that Marvel was knocking Thanos' universal/godly form and i said no such thing happened, so what does this response of yours have to do with anything?

Originally posted by abhilegend
This entire discussion is laughable.

Totally agree. It really is hilarious how you're trying to suggest Moondragon held her own against a Cube enhanced Thanos.

That's why ill stop entertaining this comedy right now.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
cheers, but lol you're kidding right?

I don't see how you, along with operator, can continue to go back and forth like this with abhi. That's what I meant.

Edit: Op's patience just ran out as well it seems.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I don't see how you, along with operator, can continue to go back and forth like this with abhi. That's what I meant.

Edit: Op's patience just ran out as well it seems.

Im on my meds today so all is good lol

Originally posted by Insane Titan
@Abhi good for them, Thanos did it to 3 whilst he was weakend big difference.
Not because he is a better psi. [quote]without it yes
He must be better psi than her with gem too.

http://i.imgur.com/fXHrfy7.jpg

[quote]lol he was always a secret member of the watch, Warlock made it clear when he told people he had given the reality gem to someone but keep their ID secret.

Yes but that's not what the reason she couldn't read his mind.
His mental powers werent amped iirc
They were. He was warping reality with just a residue of that power in Ages of Apocalypse.

Thanos toyed with Marvell, just like he did at the end of Death of Captain Marvell and when he brought him back to life using the reality gem.
And he toyed with Moonie too.

are you just ignoring what i say on purpose? Thanos used her to create the mental enviroment him and Galactus fought on, if he was creating the place mentally they battled on and had a TP battle with Galactus at the same time he would of lost far quicker.
That's not what he said. He was surprised that Galactus knew of psychic combat at all.
because they attacked her on a metaphysical lvl thats why Thanos used the soul gem to try and penertrate the cosmic egg.
That's dodging the question.

So you admit she didnt aid in the actual battle?
I never said she did.
you know Thanos has displayed TP powers reading Gamoras thoughts from another dimension.
Good heavens, that's like Psylocke level psi right there.

nah bro you seem to be doing the same lately
I don't. I am just seeing the facts for what they are.

Originally posted by operator616
In the sense that Thanos wasn't toying with Moondragon as opposed to when he achieved his Godhood .......which is pretty obvious.
Is it?
No one here is denying that Thanos was playing when achieved Godhood (merged with the universe), Warlock even confirmed that Thanos allowed Marvel to shatter it during Infinity Gauntlet #5.
You aren't grasping that when Thanos held the cube in his hand, he still had the power. Later he just drained the power in himself. You are saying that the only way to use the cube is to drain the power in himself? C'mon buddy.
However, prior to that, his main goal was his grand transformation, he was not playing. Go re-read the comics and you'll figure it out for yourself.
I've read it several times. Thanks.

If you're still gonna deny it, then provide evidence that he was toying (which you don't have).
Wut?

Totally didn't know that.
Glad to inform you bro. What are friends for?

It grants people wishes yes, turns thought into reality. So you can see how Moondragon resisting that kind of power, is ridiculous to argue.
And that's exactly what happened, so the only conclusion is that Thanos was playing with her.
And that's exactly what you're doing.
Nope.

Right, it's not like you yourself just referenced Moondragon with the mind gem unable to read Thanos' mind, which happened in Warlock and the infinity watch #8, written by Starlin.
So now Thanos is a better telepath than Moondragon with mind gem?

😂

Nor does Thanos calling Moondragon for help against Galactus in his series, prove anything.....but that's really beside the point; we saw Thanos take down Moondragon through a mind war, no indication was given that he was using the cube (which makes sense as opposed to Thanos using the cube), Period.
We saw the cube glowing just before she engaged him which according to you means the cube was being used. So Thanos did use the cube against her. Your words brah.

And no, that particular showing doesn't prove that Thanos' telepathy > MG Moondragon, because nobody said he could actually beat her.
Why not?
(Not that i care that much for Thanos' telepathy or Moondragon's for that matter. I don't really care to debate characters below the skyfather tier, that's why this'll probably be my last post regarding this topic).
You totally did not say that in the last post.

And Moondragon was always good. One example not written by Starlin would be mindraping an entire planet as shown in Avengers #219, under Jim Shooter....after which her mental abilities were restricted for a while.
Context brah. She controlled some factions of the planet to maintain peace. It wasn't the entire planet.

Addressed. Not going to keep repeating myself hundred times.
Heh, that's what you're doing.

The burden of proof is on you to present evidence that Thanos was using the cube (which you failed to), and that he was merely toying (which you double-failed to). Not that the evidence actually exists.
Already did. Not going to repeat myself.

Ask a mod if you wish.
Will do.

And why wouldn't he need an amp to fight the goddess? It was also Xavier, Thanos and Warlock who battled the Goddess.
Why the need for Xavier? Moondragon casually put him in coma in the very same arc.

Thanos should be easily above him in TP, right?

.....Also, that is relevant how exactly? You said that Marvel was knocking Thanos' universal/godly form and i said no such thing happened, so what does this response of yours have to do with anything?
What?

Totally agree. It really is hilarious how you're trying to suggest Moondragon held her own against a Cube enhanced Thanos.

That's why ill stop entertaining this comedy right now.

Promises, Promises.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's always been a walking plot device, with an actual walking plot device power - now he's interacting with the greater DC universe, that's all.

What did you think of my little plot device idea? I thought it sounded in character for Con John

Here it is again

Con Jon tricks Strange into being right where he needs him to be Thanos's patsy.
He cons Thanos into using Strange as a conduit to steal vast magic power in a way that he has set up to betray death and lose Thanos her blessing.
Just when he senses Thanos no longer has Death protection he sticks him in the back with the blade he used to kill FoF in Greece, result is he ends up with the power of BOTH Strange and Thanos and Deaths blessing.

He walks off lighting another camel and gives the corps of all fallen behind him the finger.

That sounds like a usual Constantine plot line.

Originally posted by beatboks
What did you think of my little plot device idea? I thought it sounded in character for Con John

Here it is again

I liked it, I can see it being pretty accurate to a Hellblazer crossover. Perhaps a tad more guilt on John's part for depriving the world of the Sorceror Supreme, but hey, it's Marvel's world which suffers, not his. Needs must, and all that.

Let the others bicker over the telepathy showing. We know how it REALLY goes down....

Well, i honestly wasn't considering responding, but when you have Abhi accusing me of leaving out context, putting words in my mouth to make it seem like my argument is ridiculous, and randomly jumping from one point to another to undermine my argument,.....then i can't help but respond (hopefully this will be the last unless Abhi accuses me of some further context). And im going to leave the cube/Thanos argument aside, since Abhi is never going to concede. We all know that.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So now Thanos is a better telepath than Moondragon with mind gem?

Did you somehow miss the statement i made directly afterwards? Because i clearly said that Thanos isn't. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Why not?

Because MG Moondragon unable to read Thanos' mind doesn't prove that Thanos is capable of beating her. I didn't think this needs to be spelled out, apparently it did.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Context brah. She controlled some factions of the planet to maintain peace. It wasn't the entire planet.

😆 Context....? Let's see this "context" shall we:

On Panel!
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Avengers #219:

http://i.imgur.com/frToV9R.jpg?1

"seized control over this entire world"

Handbook!
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OHOTMU v2 #9:

http://i.imgur.com/pRtwHX4.jpg?1

"Population of an entire world"

Index!
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Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #4 (offers a summary of the relevant issue):

http://i.imgur.com/zjZKZAd.jpg?1

"seized control of the planet"

Next time ask for scans instead of accusing me of "context".

Originally posted by abhilegend

Why the need for Xavier? Moondragon casually put him in coma in the very same arc.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/n436.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/x14i.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/a90z.jpg/

Thanos should be easily above him in TP, right?

So you just completely ignore the point and randomly jump to another, very nice.

You said that Thanos needed Xavier + Moondragon + Sleepwalker to battle the Goddess in IC #6.....which is false, Moondragon didn't, it was Xavier who amped Thanos in that instance.

Those scans of yours from IC #3 are irrelevant, Thanos needed an amp, ok, cool, what does this prove exactly? Nothing.

Stop accusing me of missing context when you're the one who's doing it, stop putting words in my mouth, stop randomly jumping from one point to another.......so im out. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by operator616
Well, i honestly wasn't considering responding, but when you have Abhi accusing me of leaving out context, putting words in my mouth to make it seem like my argument is ridiculous, and randomly jumping from one point to another to undermine my argument,.....then i can't help but respond (hopefully this will be the last unless Abhi accuses me of some further context). And im going to leave the cube/Thanos argument aside, since Abhi is never going to concede. We all know that.

Did you somehow miss the statement i made directly afterwards? Because i clearly said that Thanos isn't. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Because MG Moondragon unable to read Thanos' mind doesn't prove that Thanos is capable of beating her. I didn't think this needs to be spelled out, apparently it did.

😆 Context....? Let's see this "context" shall we:

On Panel!
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Avengers #219:

http://i.imgur.com/frToV9R.jpg?1

"seized control over this entire world"

Handbook!
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OHOTMU v2 #9:

http://i.imgur.com/pRtwHX4.jpg?1

"Population of an entire world"

Index!
--------

Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #4 (offers a summary of the relevant issue):

http://i.imgur.com/zjZKZAd.jpg?1

"seized control of the planet"

Next time ask for scans instead of accusing me of "context".

So you just completely ignore the point and randomly jump to another, very nice.

You said that Thanos needed Xavier + Moondragon + Sleepwalker to battle the Goddess in IC #6.....which is false, Moondragon didn't, it was Xavier who amped Thanos in that instance.

Those scans of yours from IC #3 are irrelevant, Thanos needed an amp, ok, cool, what does this prove exactly? Nothing.

Stop accusing me of missing context when you're the one who's doing it, stop putting words in my mouth, stop randomly jumping from one point to another.......so im out. Have a nice day.

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Originally posted by operator616
Well, i honestly wasn't considering responding, but when you have Abhi accusing me of leaving out context, putting words in my mouth to make it seem like my argument is ridiculous, and randomly jumping from one point to another to undermine my argument,.....then i can't help but respond (hopefully this will be the last unless Abhi accuses me of some further context). And im going to leave the cube/Thanos argument aside, since Abhi is never going to concede. We all know that.
Then you don't know me very well. I would concede if your proof is concrete as I've done several times.

Did you somehow miss the statement i made directly afterwards? Because i clearly said that Thanos isn't. Stop putting words in my mouth.
That was just sarcasm bro.

Because MG Moondragon unable to read Thanos' mind doesn't prove that Thanos is capable of beating her. I didn't think this needs to be spelled out, apparently it did.
😂

😆 Context....? Let's see this "context" shall we:

On Panel!
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Avengers #219:

http://i.imgur.com/frToV9R.jpg?1

"seized control over this entire world"

Handbook!
-------------

OHOTMU v2 #9:

http://i.imgur.com/pRtwHX4.jpg?1

"Population of an entire world"

Index!
--------

Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #4 (offers a summary of the relevant issue):

http://i.imgur.com/zjZKZAd.jpg?1

"seized control of the planet"

Oh really?

Next time ask for scans instead of accusing me of "context".
And next time act less condescendingly.

So you just completely ignore the point and randomly jump to another, very nice.
Not really.

You said that Thanos needed Xavier + Moondragon + Sleepwalker to battle the Goddess in IC #6.....which is false, Moondragon didn't, it was Xavier who amped Thanos in that instance.
Why need for such a lowly telepath when you are above someone like Moondragon.........before getting amped by Mistress Death?

Those scans of yours from IC #3 are irrelevant, Thanos needed an amp, ok, cool, what does this prove exactly? Nothing.

Just posting a lot of scans. Which is important for winning a debate, I learned it from you and Master.

Stop accusing me of missing context when you're the one who's doing it, stop putting words in my mouth, stop randomly jumping from one point to another.......so im out. Have a nice day.
Stop acting like a petulant child. We all can be wrong, its nothing to be ashamed of.

Not interested in the rest of your post but regading the moondragon scans: You can't be serious by posting those scans. Because they literally prove nothing. NOTHING. Anyone who reads this thread would know this, so let them look for themselves.

Anywho.....On panel + bio + Index:

Originally posted by operator616

On Panel!
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Avengers #219:

http://i.imgur.com/frToV9R.jpg?1

"seized control over this entire world"

Handbook!
-------------

OHOTMU v2 #9:

http://i.imgur.com/pRtwHX4.jpg?1

"Population of an entire world"

Index!
--------

Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #4 (offers a summary of the relevant issue):

http://i.imgur.com/zjZKZAd.jpg?1

"seized control of the planet"

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Then you don't know me very well. I would concede if your proof is concrete as I've done several times.

Just like in the Moondragon scans, right? You just posted scans that don't contradict anything, anything AT ALL. And ive presented on panel + Handbook + Index to support my stance..........i mean, if this is not enough for you, then what is????

Yeah, i think i know you very well by now.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Stop acting like a petulant child. We all can be wrong, its nothing to be ashamed of.

Okay? I never said otherwise.

Originally posted by operator616
Not interested in the rest of your post but regading the moondragon scans: You can't be serious by posting those scans. Because they literally prove nothing. NOTHING. Anyone who reads this thread would know this, so let them look for themselves.

Anywho.....On panel + bio + Index:

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Just like in the Moondragon scans, right? You just posted scans that don't contradict anything, anything AT ALL. And ive presented on panel + Handbook + Index to support my stance..........i mean, if this is not enough for you, then what is????

Yeah, i think i know you very well by now.

Okay? I never said otherwise.


Why? Because a statement from Thor supersedes comments from Moondragon herself that she didn't control the world but brought peace by controlling the various factions and their leaders? "An entire world" is just misleading, she never controlled the whole planet, its right there in the scans bro. I mean why don't you post the whole scan where Moondragon again talks how she brought peace to that world, not seized control of it.

How did she do that?

http://i.imgur.com/aguQpCA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U7qhzir.jpg

Cropping scans is fun, ain't it?

Originally posted by operator616
Not interested in the rest of your post but regading the moondragon scans: You can't be serious by posting those scans. Because they literally prove nothing. NOTHING. Anyone who reads this thread would know this, so let them look for themselves.

Anywho.....On panel + bio + Index:

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Just like in the Moondragon scans, right? You just posted scans that don't contradict anything, anything AT ALL. And ive presented on panel + Handbook + Index to support my stance..........i mean, if this is not enough for you, then what is????

Yeah, i think i know you very well by now.

Okay? I never said otherwise.

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