Originally posted by Sin I AM
Flashpoint iirc. But the question was who has the power not who has done it. A prime example would be Wanda. She has effected the multiverse but is not a skyfather...
That was clearly a plot device though.
Wanda never demonstrated anywhere close to that power over an extended period in her entire career.
Her biggest feat up to that point would be destroying Ultron solo.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
That was clearly a plot device though.Wanda never demonstrated anywhere close to that power over an extended period in her entire career.
Her biggest feat up to that point would be destroying Ultron solo.
Its not plot when she continues to prove she's grown in power. She did itin disassemled. In avx, p5 and marvel now.
Originally posted by red sabre
here comes a troll.cool thats not odin force thor its king thor.
yes i know king thor is thor with odin force but if you look at odin force thor and king thor they had different understandings of the way the odin force works, aside of that odin force thor sucked badly with the usage of the force as well.yeah right, a legit skyfather my ass. he got tooled and schooled during the entire run. only at the very end of the story when beheading desak he gained a real skyfather level power.
he barely did it, in fact as far as i remember he was at very bad shape and exhausted after that moon feat of his. and i am sorry it does not make him a skyfather. as far as battles he got a run for his money from iron man,cut and hurt by wolverine while still having his powers. when regaining his powers humiliated physically by captain america, raped by desak, stalemated by genis. beat perrikus but poorly( even average thor did better than king thor vs perrikus). basically king thor during his whole run was in my book a low trans and even that because of the fact he melted caps shield, if it wasnt for that feat i would say he is a high herald.
he became a skyfather when he regained mjolnir and beheaded desak in the destroyer armor.
Different understandings of the Odinforce did you even read either arc.
OF Thor only had a very small portion of the Odinpower left,
Captian got owned twice by King Thor the first time then went out was way before the end of the arc and Thor nearlly killed Capt but hitting his shield with mjolnir "in which he dented the sehild and then causlly undented the thing,
Also Thor with his last fight with captain didn't have acces to any of the Odinpower until the end where he killed him
Again read the danm Story
Of course Wolverine hurt King Thor, He was holding/gaurding his child when he was attack. Capt. even explain thats in the fight.
Do you have any idea how powerful that version of Genis was and it was hardly a fight they hit each other once and called it a day.
And for crying out loud Desak is made just to fight Gods it would be like Superman fight someone made of equal powerset but immune to all supes attacks
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Different understandings of the Odinforce did you even read either arc.OF Thor only had a very small portion of the Odinpower left,
Captian got owned twice by King Thor the first time then went out was way before the end of the arc and Thor nearlly killed Capt but hitting his shield with mjolnir "in which he dented the sehild and then causlly undented the thing,
Also Thor with his last fight with captain didn't have acces to any of the Odinpower until the end where he killed him
Again read the danm Story
Of course Wolverine hurt King Thor, He was holding/gaurding his child when he was attack. Capt. even explain thats in the fight.
Do you have any idea how powerful that version of Genis was and it was hardly a fight they hit each other once and called it a day.
And for crying out loud Desak is made just to fight Gods it would be like Superman fight someone made of equal powerset but immune to all supes attacks
as i said here comes a troll with thor avatar, what a surprise.
king thor and OF Thor had different knowledge and different intentions for the odin force. its not like if character A has the odin force and character B has the odin force they will be equel. king thor was a noob that took steps towards the knowledge, it seems like OF Thor was more formidable with the odin force but he still sucked.
Lol you are actually arguing and put it into king thors credit that he was able to beat captain america? 😆.
i know he beat cap and it shouldnt be that much to be proud for someone on king thors level (or his supposed level). however my point was the fact he got taken down physically and actually damaged by captain america PHYSICALLY which is just humiliating... and all that while having the odin force back.
it doesnt matter what were the circumstances, facts are wolverine cut king thor and not only was he able to cut him but he caused him enough pain to the point king thor was holding his arm with pain. thats just a pathetic control of the odin force, please try to imagine wolverine trying to cut odin and how that would end up Lol.
genis was just genis dont try to boost him up. yeah i kno they exchanged a blow and made the other fly and all, i just pointed out all of his fights to show a point. this showing clearly showed that he and genis were evenly matched and genis is no skyfather.
yeah yeah i know about desaks powers. it still didnt stop average thor from kicking his ass. and it still doesnt change the fact king thor didnt even have the fighting skills to contend with desak who treated him like a rag doll.
i basically brought all king thor fights and admitted myself there is a lot of context to everything, from him losing his powers to desak being imune to his powers and all that, but the fact is king thor didnt impress me at all, during all his run he got his ass wooped all over the issues, those are the facts and he never came close to skyfather until the very end when regaining mjolnir.
Originally posted by red sabre
as i said here comes a troll with thor avatar, what a surprise.king thor and OF Thor had different knowledge and different intentions for the odin force. its not like if character A has the odin force and character B has the odin force they will be equel. king thor was a noob that took steps towards the knowledge, it seems like OF Thor was more formidable with the odin force but he still sucked.
Lol you are actually arguing and put it into king thors credit that he was able to beat captain america? 😆.
i know he beat cap and it shouldnt be that much to be proud for someone on king thors level (or his supposed level). however my point was the fact he got taken down physically and actually damaged by captain america PHYSICALLY which is just humiliating... and all that while having the odin force back.it doesnt matter what were the circumstances, facts are wolverine cut king thor and not only was he able to cut him but he caused him enough pain to the point king thor was holding his arm with pain. thats just a pathetic control of the odin force, please try to imagine wolverine trying to cut odin and how that would end up Lol.
genis was just genis dont try to boost him up. yeah i kno they exchanged a blow and made the other fly and all, i just pointed out all of his fights to show a point. this showing clearly showed that he and genis were evenly matched and genis is no skyfather.
yeah yeah i know about desaks powers. it still didnt stop average thor from kicking his ass. and it still doesnt change the fact king thor didnt even have the fighting skills to contend with desak who treated him like a rag doll.
i basically brought all king thor fights and admitted myself there is a lot of context to everything, from him losing his powers to desak being imune to his powers and all that, but the fact is king thor didnt impress me at all, during all his run he got his ass wooped all over the issues, those are the facts and he never came close to skyfather until the very end when regaining mjolnir.
OF force Thor had the smallest portion of the odinpower left,
King Thor had all of it,
The very fact you made this thread blows the mind
Originally posted by red sabre
as i said here comes a troll with thor avatar, what a surprise.king thor and OF Thor had different knowledge and different intentions for the odin force. its not like if character A has the odin force and character B has the odin force they will be equel. king thor was a noob that took steps towards the knowledge, it seems like OF Thor was more formidable with the odin force but he still sucked.
Lol you are actually arguing and put it into king thors credit that he was able to beat captain america? 😆.
i know he beat cap and it shouldnt be that much to be proud for someone on king thors level (or his supposed level). however my point was the fact he got taken down physically and actually damaged by captain america PHYSICALLY which is just humiliating... and all that while having the odin force back.it doesnt matter what were the circumstances, facts are wolverine cut king thor and not only was he able to cut him but he caused him enough pain to the point king thor was holding his arm with pain. thats just a pathetic control of the odin force, please try to imagine wolverine trying to cut odin and how that would end up Lol.
genis was just genis dont try to boost him up. yeah i kno they exchanged a blow and made the other fly and all, i just pointed out all of his fights to show a point. this showing clearly showed that he and genis were evenly matched and genis is no skyfather.
yeah yeah i know about desaks powers. it still didnt stop average thor from kicking his ass. and it still doesnt change the fact king thor didnt even have the fighting skills to contend with desak who treated him like a rag doll.
i basically brought all king thor fights and admitted myself there is a lot of context to everything, from him losing his powers to desak being imune to his powers and all that, but the fact is king thor didnt impress me at all, during all his run he got his ass wooped all over the issues, those are the facts and he never came close to skyfather until the very end when regaining mjolnir.
Uh, what are you talking about?
The only reason Captain America was not instantly killed was because Balder had his son at sword point, so he let himself get knocked around. AND King Thor was regular Thor without the Odin Force when Steve attacked. Which was AFTER he spent hours fighting and killing Hulk/Thing in a purely hand to hand battle.
You need to re-read the arc.
Also, Wolverine broke the skin and hurt him, so what? He took him by surprise. We've seen Wolverine stab Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet in similar circumstances.
How did the fight with Genis show that they were evenly matched? That makes no sense when they performed the equivalent of trading a single blow each. Not to mention Insane Genis was pretty OP at times and this was way early into King Thor's career. IIRC before he even took down the mental blocks that blocked almost the entirety of the Odin Force. And even AFTER he took down the mental blocks, the Odin Force incarnation made it clear he wasn't using the power to anywhere near it's full potential. Even with the Odin Force, Thor mostly fought like a brick at arguably more or less his classic power levels.
I also read you mentioning Perrikus earlier as a way to demean King Thor. Which took place far earlier into his career as well (Before the mental blocks were taken down even) and when Perrikus fought King Thor, he made it clear that he received a power upgrade so referencing his battles with classic Thor is irrelevant.
And I have no idea why the f*ck you're bringing up Desak for. 😬
He's immune to Godly power and literally thrives on it. There's a reason the more powerful Thor is, the worse he does against him.
You'd think a fan of Superman Prime of all people would know not to use selective sans and lack of context to push an agenda.
Basically, the scenes you're using are presented in a misleading way and irrelevant when discussing King Thor as he was at the end of the Reigning arc. He'd become far more accustomed to using the Odin Power in different ways, most likely due to not having Mjolnir to just bash things with.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Uh, what are you talking about?The only reason Captain America was not instantly killed was because Balder had his son at sword point, so he let himself get knocked around. AND King Thor was regular Thor without the Odin Force when Steve attacked. Which was AFTER he spent hours fighting and killing Hulk/Thing in a purely hand to hand battle.
You need to re-read the arc.
Also, Wolverine broke the skin and hurt him, so what? He took him by surprise. We've seen Wolverine stab Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet in similar circumstances.
How did the fight with Genis show that they were evenly matched? That makes no sense when they performed the equivalent of trading a single blow each. Not to mention Insane Genis was pretty OP at times and this was way early into King Thor's career. IIRC before he even took down the mental blocks that blocked almost the entirety of the Odin Force. And even AFTER he took down the mental blocks, the Odin Force incarnation made it clear he wasn't using the power to anywhere near it's full potential. Even with the Odin Force, Thor mostly fought like a brick at arguably more or less his classic power levels.
I also read you mentioning Perrikus earlier as a way to demean King Thor. Which took place far earlier into his career as well (Before the mental blocks were taken down even) and when Perrikus fought King Thor, he made it clear that he received a power upgrade so referencing his battles with classic Thor is irrelevant.
And I have no idea why the f*ck you're bringing up Desak for. 😬
He's immune to Godly power and literally thrives on it. There's a reason the more powerful Thor is, the worse he does against him.
You'd think a fan of Superman Prime of all people would know not to use selective sans and lack of context to push an agenda.
Basically, the scenes you're using are presented in a misleading way and irrelevant when discussing King Thor as he was at the end of the Reigning arc. He'd become far more accustomed to using the Odin Power in different ways, most likely due to not having Mjolnir to just bash things with.
again i dont care what the circumnstances were, i am aware of the fact there was a lot of context involved in the whole storyline. however even with the fact king thor was afraid for his family, the way cap bashed him is humiliating. i would expect king thor to just stand and suck it up when cap was hitting him , but we saw the hits were effecting thor and even took him down to the ground, and all that while he got his powers back, thats just humiliating in my book.
come on you know very well thats BS. you think wolverine can cut odin? because the whole debate here is that people think king thor at that point was skyfather level being and i say he became one only at the end of the arc. do you think wolverine would cut odin? dont bring the well known wolverine PIS into this. you could think that king thor trying to defend his family from wolverine could use the odin force and create a force field or just vapotize wolverine or something... but no... all the odin force and what he does? defend them physically and then get his arm cut. but not only does he get cut he also holding his arm with pain the whole time after that. yep i totally see odin acting like that after a cut from wolverine, he couldnt even heal himself. thats not skyfather level and not even trans.
yes they traded a blow each however each made the other go flying with his blow on evenly ground and this feat clearly was there to portray them as equals. no matter what you say about genis he isnt a skyfather and king thor was evenly matched with him.
i know king thor wasnt using the power to its fullest potential, i know and respect the odin force dont worry, i am just saying that at that point king thor was not a skyfather. by potential? sure he always had the potential to reach odin levels but he couldnt and therefor until the very end he wasnt a skyfather.
perrikus had an upgrade when he fought king thor? dont remember that but i will take your word for it. in that case its really irrelevant.
as i said dozens of times, yes i know desak is imune to godly powers. however my point was that no matter whats the context, the facts are king thor is just getting wooped thruought his entire story and its very hard to take him very seriously when all he does is lose limbs and get raped all the time.
also as i mentioned average thor defeated desak and gave him good fights even with that fact.
king thor on the other hand simply looked like a skilless child who couldnt even provide a decent fight.
what does superman prime have to do with this?
Originally posted by red sabre
again i dont care what the circumnstances were, i am aware of the fact there was a lot of context involved in the whole storyline. however even with the fact king thor was afraid for his family, the way cap bashed him is humiliating. i would expect king thor to just stand and suck it up when cap was hitting him , but we saw the hits were effecting thor and even took him down to the ground, and all that while he got his powers back, thats just humiliating in my book.
Again, that was King Thor WITHOUT the Odin Force after he spent hours fighting Hulk/Thing in single combat. I really don't see why it is so humiliating when Captain America did absolutely no damage? Yes, Thor could have stood there and let Steve breaks his bones on him, but again, his SON was at sword point.
If it makes you feel better, way earlier into his run, a much weaker King Thor wasn't even noticing Captain America's blows:
Originally posted by red sabre
come on you know very well thats BS. you think wolverine can cut odin? because the whole debate here is that people think king thor at that point was skyfather level being and i say he became one only at the end of the arc. do you think wolverine would cut odin? dont bring the well known wolverine PIS into this. you could think that king thor trying to defend his family from wolverine could use the odin force and create a force field or just vapotize wolverine or something... but no... all the odin force and what he does? defend them physically and then get his arm cut. but not only does he get cut he also holding his arm with pain the whole time after that. yep i totally see odin acting like that after a cut from wolverine, he couldnt even heal himself. thats not skyfather level and not even trans.
I'm saying that Wolverine's claws have a well known history of doing stupid shit and that Thor was caught by surprise. So him getting cut somewhat doesn't suddenly make him High Herald or something. Yes, Thor could have done all of those things but again, they caught him by surprise in his family's chamber. And yes, Thor DID go on to vaporize Wolverine, but before he could do anything else like heal himself, the Odin Force was blocked.
I am getting tired of having to explain the obvious to you man.
Originally posted by red sabre
yes they traded a blow each however each made the other go flying with his blow on evenly ground and this feat clearly was there to portray them as equals. no matter what you say about genis he isnt a skyfather and king thor was evenly matched with him.
Say's who? It was a brief exchange simply meant to indicate that BOTH were very powerful. That's all. Especially since in those days, Thor fought like he did back at his classic power levels and only started channeling the Odin Force when he was blasting energy.
And like I said, that was before like 2 different internal power ups. A much weaker King Thor being on par with Insane Genis from that era is by NO MEANS embarrassing.
Originally posted by red sabre
i know king thor wasnt using the power to its fullest potential, i know and respect the odin force dont worry, i am just saying that at that point king thor was not a skyfather. by potential? sure he always had the potential to reach odin levels but he couldnt and therefor until the very end he wasnt a skyfather.
Again, for a large period of time, Thor held back most of the Odin Force with subconscious mental blocks. And even after the event, it was made clear he used it nowhere near his full potential until right before the Reigning.
Originally posted by red sabre
perrikus had an upgrade when he fought king thor? dont remember that but i will take your word for it. in that case its really irrelevant.
He did and it is like pretty much every other example so far.
Originally posted by red sabre
as i said dozens of times, yes i know desak is imune to godly powers. however my point was that no matter whats the context, the facts are king thor is just getting wooped thruought his entire story and its very hard to take him very seriously when all he does is lose limbs and get raped all the time.
also as i mentioned average thor defeated desak and gave him good fights even with that fact.
king thor on the other hand simply looked like a skilless child who couldnt even provide a decent fight.
😐
Okay, you have some twisted perspective on this that I doubt I'm going to change with logic and scans.
For the last time, Desak is not only immune to godly powers but DRINKS THEM IN. That means the more powerful Thor is and the more power he throws AT him, the weaker he becomes and the more powerful Desak is. Not to mention by the time he fought King Thor at the end of the arc, he seemed to have grown far more in power.
Anyways, you seem to realize that King Thor was a Skyfather and on a different level by the end of the Reigning so all of these twisted examples are moot in a fight thread as he was more powerful by the end.
