Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Again, that was King Thor WITHOUT the Odin Force after he spent hours fighting Hulk/Thing in single combat. I really don't see why it is so humiliating when Captain America did absolutely no damage? Yes, Thor could have stood there and let Steve breaks his bones on him, but again, his SON was at sword point.If it makes you feel better, way earlier into his run, a much weaker King Thor wasn't even noticing Captain America's blows:
I'm saying that Wolverine's claws have a well known history of doing stupid shit and that Thor was caught by surprise. So him getting cut somewhat doesn't suddenly make him High Herald or something. Yes, Thor could have done all of those things but again, they caught him by surprise in his family's chamber. And yes, Thor DID go on to vaporize Wolverine, but before he could do anything else like heal himself, the Odin Force was blocked.
I am getting tired of having to explain the obvious to you man.
Say's who? It was a brief exchange simply meant to indicate that BOTH were very powerful. That's all. Especially since in those days, Thor fought like he did back at his classic power levels and only started channeling the Odin Force when he was blasting energy.
And like I said, that was before like 2 different internal power ups. A much weaker King Thor being on par with Insane Genis from that era is by NO MEANS embarrassing.
Again, for a large period of time, Thor held back most of the Odin Force with subconscious mental blocks. And even after the event, it was made clear he used it nowhere near his full potential until right before the Reigning.
He did and it is like pretty much every other example so far.
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Okay, you have some twisted perspective on this that I doubt I'm going to change with logic and scans.
For the last time, Desak is not only immune to godly powers but DRINKS THEM IN. That means the more powerful Thor is and the more power he throws AT him, the weaker he becomes and the more powerful Desak is. Not to mention by the time he fought King Thor at the end of the arc, he seemed to have grown far more in power.
Anyways, you seem to realize that King Thor was a Skyfather and on a different level by the end of the Reigning so all of these twisted examples are moot in a fight thread as he was more powerful by the end.
king thor regained his powers. the thing is his family was at danger and thats why he recieved the beating from Cap, however as i pointed out already Cap hits effected him and took him down to the ground.
Lol now you are claiming thor could stand there without even moving but he chose to be taken down and only made it look like he is effected? i am sorry was that mentioned somewhere?
as for your scan it sure looks like that shield bash to the back of the head sure made thor bend.
again king thor saw wolverine attacking, of all the things an odin force weilder suppose to be able to o, he chose to just put his arm in the way of the claws? and even after that cut we see him for several panels holding his arm with pain. you could think during all that time he could have healed himself, but i guess he couldnt and thats why he didnt.
and again look at him holding his arm with pain... come on....
thats what you think. the way i see it and the way it was portrayed, they both exchange and evenly matched blows that send each other flying. that exchange was obviously there to show us they are equel and evenly matched.
now he is a "MUCH WEAKER" king thor? based on what exacly if i may. thats the whole point the whole time during his run he was weaker than his final self which only happened at the very end of the story. basically you agree with me that during his whole run he was a weak feeb and only at the end he became someone worth mentioning.
he didnt use it because he couldnt as simple as that. mental blocks no mental blocks i dont care. facts are he couldnt use it and only at the end of the story he actually became a skyfather.
the thing is while desak is imune to godly powers and as you say feed on the powers its still relative and i will explain. desak was fighting classic thor right? thor is a god and he had imunity and yet he got his ass wooped by thor.
now came along king thor and got severely beat. but as you claim he was more powerful therefor desak was made more powerful, but the thing is its all relative to the power he needs in the first place to take them out. thor didnt make desak as powerful but in relativity to his own powers and to what desak took from him he still owned him. now king thor charged desak with more power but he is also more powerful (supposly) and therefor desak power up vs king thor should be same as it was vs thor in relativity to their own powers. therefor i can easily say that average thor did much better than king thor because the power desak had at the point he fought thor was relativily same as the power he had vs king thor compared to king thor.
Originally posted by red sabre
king thor regained his powers. the thing is his family was at danger and thats why he recieved the beating from Cap, however as i pointed out already Cap hits effected him and took him down to the ground.Lol now you are claiming thor could stand there without even moving but he chose to be taken down and only made it look like he is effected? i am sorry was that mentioned somewhere?
as for your scan it sure looks like that shield bash to the back of the head sure made thor bend.
again king thor saw wolverine attacking, of all the things an odin force weilder suppose to be able to o, he chose to just put his arm in the way of the claws? and even after that cut we see him for several panels holding his arm with pain. you could think during all that time he could have healed himself, but i guess he couldnt and thats why he didnt.
and again look at him holding his arm with pain... come on....thats what you think. the way i see it and the way it was portrayed, they both exchange and evenly matched blows that send each other flying. that exchange was obviously there to show us they are equel and evenly matched.
now he is a "MUCH WEAKER" king thor? based on what exacly if i may. thats the whole point the whole time during his run he was weaker than his final self which only happened at the very end of the story. basically you agree with me that during his whole run he was a weak feeb and only at the end he became someone worth mentioning.
he didnt use it because he couldnt as simple as that. mental blocks no mental blocks i dont care. facts are he couldnt use it and only at the end of the story he actually became a skyfather.
the thing is while desak is imune to godly powers and as you say feed on the powers its still relative and i will explain. desak was fighting classic thor right? thor is a god and he had imunity and yet he got his ass wooped by thor.
now came along king thor and got severely beat. but as you claim he was more powerful therefor desak was made more powerful, but the thing is its all relative to the power he needs in the first place to take them out. thor didnt make desak as powerful but in relativity to his own powers and to what desak took from him he still owned him. now king thor charged desak with more power but he is also more powerful (supposly) and therefor desak power up vs king thor should be same as it was vs thor in relativity to their own powers. therefor i can easily say that average thor did much better than king thor because the power desak had at the point he fought thor was relativily same as the power he had vs king thor compared to king thor.
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Originally posted by red sabre
king thor regained his powers. the thing is his family was at danger and thats why he recieved the beating from Cap, however as i pointed out already Cap hits effected him and took him down to the ground.
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The amulet that was blocking his power was only removed by Loki AFTER he killed Balder:
Captain America was not only knocking Thor around because his son was in danger, he was doing so AFTER Thor WITHOUT the Odin Force fought Hulk/Thing in hand to hand for hours and killed them.
Ergo, you need to read the f*cking comic run again before running your mouth.
Originally posted by red sabre
Lol now you are claiming thor could stand there without even moving but he chose to be taken down and only made it look like he is effected? i am sorry was that mentioned somewhere?as for your scan it sure looks like that shield bash to the back of the head sure made thor bend.
If he wanted to, of course. Captain America attacked classic Thor and not Thor with the Odin Force in that scene with his son but even classic Thor has no sold attacks from Captain America.
Besides, at no point did Steve's attack hurt him.
Thor was walking and his body angle didn't change at all. Either way, he did no harm to him so the idea that Steve Rogers could in anyway hurt King Thor is moot if he failed to affect a version so much weaker.
Originally posted by red sabre
again king thor saw wolverine attacking, of all the things an odin force weilder suppose to be able to o, he chose to just put his arm in the way of the claws? and even after that cut we see him for several panels holding his arm with pain. you could think during all that time he could have healed himself, but i guess he couldnt and thats why he didnt.
and again look at him holding his arm with pain... come on....
Actually, Wolverine broke in and he instinctively put up his arm. He didn't muster any other kind of offense. What the f*ck are you talking about?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/KillsWolverine.jpg
Wolverine cuts him, he punches him and then blasts him before being deprived of the Odin Force. What about that sequence of events makes you think it's evidence of King Thor NOT being able to heal himself? Especially when far earlier and weaker, he was able to revive a dead body (Granted without the soul)?
Originally posted by red sabre
thats what you think. the way i see it and the way it was portrayed, they both exchange and evenly matched blows that send each other flying. that exchange was obviously there to show us they are equel and evenly matched.
You're asking me for exact scans and evidence and yet are free to make such utter baseless guesses? Nice double standards. 😬
And again, King Thor at that point in his career being equal to Insane Genis (Despite King Thor only using a single Mjolnir throw which destroyed his shields and not even attempting to use any of the Odin Force) is hardly a poor showing.
Originally posted by red sabre
now he is a "MUCH WEAKER" king thor? based on what exacly if i may. thats the whole point the whole time during his run he was weaker than his final self which only happened at the very end of the story. basically you agree with me that during his whole run he was a weak feeb and only at the end he became someone worth mentioning.
It was revealed later into his run that Thor had subconscious mental blocks in place that blocked his use of the Odin Power:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorvsGardner8.jpg
Even AFTER that, it was revealed he still did not use the Odin Force to anywhere near it's potential:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential8.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential10.jpg
So again, all your examples? Completely irrelevant to King Thor with even some Odin Force, much less to King Thor at the end of the arc.
Originally posted by red sabre
the thing is while desak is imune to godly powers and as you say feed on the powers its still relative and i will explain. desak was fighting classic thor right? thor is a god and he had imunity and yet he got his ass wooped by thor.
now came along king thor and got severely beat. but as you claim he was more powerful therefor desak was made more powerful, but the thing is its all relative to the power he needs in the first place to take them out. thor didnt make desak as powerful but in relativity to his own powers and to what desak took from him he still owned him. now king thor charged desak with more power but he is also more powerful (supposly) and therefor desak power up vs king thor should be same as it was vs thor in relativity to their own powers. therefor i can easily say that average thor did much better than king thor because the power desak had at the point he fought thor was relativily same as the power he had vs king thor compared to king thor.
What the f*ck are you talking about? Desak was never whopped at any point by classic Thor.
Here is the extent of their fight:
How on earth did he outperform King Thor when he had the briefest of exchanges? He only looked a lot better then Beta Ray Bill and Hercules.
And Desak was killer of PANTHEONS by then. He single handedly ravaged the Dark Gods who's army (A portion of it I might add) was able to rape OLYMPUS for example.
And when he finally fought Thor at the end of the Reigning arc in #75 - #79? He had a WHOLE new level all-together by then, claiming he had killed beings even MORE powerful then King Thor when previously he was the most powerful he had fought:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak8.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/53qld3bp3/Page_008.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/z9ozrvilz/Page_009.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/dbsiy33lj/Page_010.jpg
Despite King Thor growing in power tremendously by that point. Anyways, you're comparisons to Desak are completely pointless as he was facing a completely different level of an opponent.
The rest of you're reasoning is entirely faulty because the power of Odin greatly outweighs anything classic Thor can muster.
Originally posted by red sabre
he didnt use it because he couldnt as simple as that. mental blocks no mental blocks i dont care. facts are he couldnt use it and only at the end of the story he actually became a skyfather.
So what you're telling me is that you don't give a shit what evidence I post or what context I use, you'll just stick to whatever points you want to make?
WHY didn't you tell me this in the beginning? I'd have simply not bothered to respond. Good day, I think this will be my last post. I showed how lacking in knowledge you are when it comes to King Thor, depriving you of your credibility to speak on the subject in length, which to me is enough.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalmThe amulet that was blocking his power was only removed by Loki AFTER he killed Balder:
Captain America was not only knocking Thor around because his son was in danger, he was doing so AFTER Thor WITHOUT the Odin Force fought Hulk/Thing in hand to hand for hours and killed them.
Ergo, you need to read the f*cking comic run again before running your mouth.
If he wanted to, of course. Captain America attacked classic Thor and not Thor with the Odin Force in that scene with his son but even classic Thor has no sold attacks from Captain America.
Besides, at no point did Steve's attack hurt him.
Thor was walking and his body angle didn't change at all. Either way, he did no harm to him so the idea that Steve Rogers could in anyway hurt King Thor is moot if he failed to affect a version so much weaker.
Actually, Wolverine broke in and he instinctively put up his arm. He didn't muster any other kind of offense. What the f*ck are you talking about?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/KillsWolverine.jpg
Wolverine cuts him, he punches him and then blasts him before being deprived of the Odin Force. What about that sequence of events makes you think it's evidence of King Thor NOT being able to heal himself? Especially when far earlier and weaker, he was able to revive a dead body (Granted without the soul)?
You're asking me for exact scans and evidence and yet are free to make such utter baseless guesses? Nice double standards. 😬
And again, King Thor at that point in his career being equal to Insane Genis (Despite King Thor only using a single Mjolnir throw which destroyed his shields and not even attempting to use any of the Odin Force) is hardly a poor showing.
It was revealed later into his run that Thor had subconscious mental blocks in place that blocked his use of the Odin Power:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorvsGardner8.jpgEven AFTER that, it was revealed he still did not use the Odin Force to anywhere near it's potential:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential8.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential10.jpgSo again, all your examples? Completely irrelevant to King Thor with even some Odin Force, much less to King Thor at the end of the arc.
What the f*ck are you talking about? Desak was never whopped at any point by classic Thor.
Here is the extent of their fight:
How on earth did he outperform King Thor when he had the briefest of exchanges? He only looked a lot better then Beta Ray Bill and Hercules.
And Desak was killer of PANTHEONS by then. He single handedly ravaged the Dark Gods who's army (A portion of it I might add) was able to rape OLYMPUS for example.
And when he finally fought Thor at the end of the Reigning arc in #75 - #79? He had a WHOLE new level all-together by then, claiming he had killed beings even MORE powerful then King Thor when previously he was the most powerful he had fought:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak8.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/53qld3bp3/Page_008.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/z9ozrvilz/Page_009.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/dbsiy33lj/Page_010.jpgDespite King Thor growing in power tremendously by that point. Anyways, you're comparisons to Desak are completely pointless as he was facing a completely different level of an opponent.
The rest of you're reasoning is entirely faulty because the power of Odin greatly outweighs anything classic Thor can muster.
So what you're telling me is that you don't give a shit what evidence I post or what context I use, you'll just stick to whatever points you want to make?
WHY didn't you tell me this in the beginning? I'd have simply not bothered to respond. Good day, I think this will be my last post. I showed how lacking in knowledge you are when it comes to King Thor, depriving you of your credibility to speak on the subject in length, which to me is enough.
When King Thor dented Cap's shield it shows Cap affecting him. You even posted those scans.
Also, the Odin Force amps strength and durability right? Isn't this why King Thor dented Cap's shield?
One more thing, do you think it is PIS that Thor was able to kill Desak since he was supposedly immune to Thor's powers? Or does the spell of Desak not work when the Odin force is used righteously against the face of evil? After Thor saw his wrong and knew what he must do then he became righteous and that negated Desak's power. Similar to being worthy in order to lift the hammer, it has to be for a righteous reason, makes the power negate anything against it?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIf he wanted to, of course. Captain America attacked classic Thor and not Thor with the Odin Force in that scene with his son but even classic Thor has no sold attacks from Captain America.
Besides, at no point did Steve's attack hurt him.
Thor was walking and his body angle didn't change at all. Either way, he did no harm to him so the idea that Steve Rogers could in anyway hurt King Thor is moot if he failed to affect a version so much weaker.
Actually, Wolverine broke in and he instinctively put up his arm. He didn't muster any other kind of offense. What the f*ck are you talking about?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/KillsWolverine.jpg
Wolverine cuts him, he punches him and then blasts him before being deprived of the Odin Force. What about that sequence of events makes you think it's evidence of King Thor NOT being able to heal himself? Especially when far earlier and weaker, he was able to revive a dead body (Granted without the soul)?
You're asking me for exact scans and evidence and yet are free to make such utter baseless guesses? Nice double standards. 😬
And again, King Thor at that point in his career being equal to Insane Genis (Despite King Thor only using a single Mjolnir throw which destroyed his shields and not even attempting to use any of the Odin Force) is hardly a poor showing.
It was revealed later into his run that Thor had subconscious mental blocks in place that blocked his use of the Odin Power:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorvsGardner8.jpgEven AFTER that, it was revealed he still did not use the Odin Force to anywhere near it's potential:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential8.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorPotential10.jpgSo again, all your examples? Completely irrelevant to King Thor with even some Odin Force, much less to King Thor at the end of the arc.
What the f*ck are you talking about? Desak was never whopped at any point by classic Thor.
Here is the extent of their fight:
How on earth did he outperform King Thor when he had the briefest of exchanges? He only looked a lot better then Beta Ray Bill and Hercules.
And Desak was killer of PANTHEONS by then. He single handedly ravaged the Dark Gods who's army (A portion of it I might add) was able to rape OLYMPUS for example.
And when he finally fought Thor at the end of the Reigning arc in #75 - #79? He had a WHOLE new level all-together by then, claiming he had killed beings even MORE powerful then King Thor when previously he was the most powerful he had fought:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak8.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/53qld3bp3/Page_008.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/z9ozrvilz/Page_009.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/dbsiy33lj/Page_010.jpgDespite King Thor growing in power tremendously by that point. Anyways, you're comparisons to Desak are completely pointless as he was facing a completely different level of an opponent.
The rest of you're reasoning is entirely faulty because the power of Odin greatly outweighs anything classic Thor can muster.
So what you're telling me is that you don't give a shit what evidence I post or what context I use, you'll just stick to whatever points you want to make?
WHY didn't you tell me this in the beginning? I'd have simply not bothered to respond. Good day, I think this will be my last post. I showed how lacking in knowledge you are when it comes to King Thor, depriving you of your credibility to speak on the subject in length, which to me is enough.
King thor had his physical abilities all along. he was effected by captain america hitting him when denting his shield. in the scans you posted we see captain america effecting thor with his shield hits while thor is having his full power. then we get king thor having the amulet blocking the odin force however his strength and durability are the same as with the odin force because at that point he did not have a real control of the odin force to the point he could amp his strength and durability. if you believe he could use the odin force to the levels of amping himself please show him doing so.
again you are trying to make things up and tell me that king thor faked being effected by captain america which is laughable since as you posted yourself he was effected by cap in another situation.
you cant take the feats of classic thor and aply them to king thor. the simple fact is that king thor was effected twice during differen fights by captain america and even taken down to the ground. this is not WWE and believing king thor faked being effected by the hits and took himself to the ground is both idioic and laughable to say the least.
again wolverine cuts the door and breaks in. during that time king thor easily could use the odin force to do something to wolverine aside of standing and putting his arm like a wife that is about to get beaten by her husband. or else you believe thor s reaction is the same as of a snail or something. he couldnt even use the force to form some kind of force field or anything. and the fact he stands later holding his arm with pain and doesnt even heal himself only contributes to my point. also notice that his punch couldnt even knock wolverine out.
baseless? you got the nerve to call my statements baseless while your statements consist of nothing but wank?. i will repeat myself for you, both king thor and genis exchange a blow that sends the other flying and portrayed as evenly matched. if you believe this portray was not showing that then you are more (or not) biased than i thought. no matter how much you try to boost that genis he wasnt a skyfather deal with that. so now you know thor was not using the odin force on genis? really? wow you got some secret powers of knowing when thorking thor used the odin force? he used exactly what he could during that exchange and what he could was not enough to get an upper hand over a trans.
dude you simply cant grasp my points. here is an idea, why wont yo stop for a moment, breath, and read closely and slowly what i am writing. i am not claiming king thor used the whole odin force potential. i did not say he didnt have some problems preventing him from gaining access to more odin force. what i was saying is that i agree he had mental blocks and bla bla and whats not. but the point remains the same, all those reasons caused the result which i am talking about. the result is that during his entire run he was a trans leveler and only at the end of the arc he became a skyfather leveler. thats it thats my whole point. i am not arguing there wasnt an explanation to it, never said potentially he couldnt, i am just saying that X and Y are the reasons why he is Z.
the irony is that even at your scans classic thor did better than king thor who was basically a rape victim to desak.
but i will add that i personally remember a fight between thor and desak where thor got the upper hand on him physically.
and yes my comparison and logic are valid if you manage to grasp it.
if thor had power level 50 he uses it on desak which empowers desak by 20 and overall all it takes to beat thor is 50. then king thor is suppose to be 100 and althought desak absorbs more powers from king thor but it does not take 50 to take him down like with average thor but 100. therefor the relevance is the same, desak got empowered to higher level but he supposdly needed a higher level to beat thor. but then what we see? we see that he actually beat king thor much easier, which means thor did much better than king thor.
again you dont understand my point. read carefully. i agree with you that king thor had problems which prevented him from ganing greater access to the odin force. however it still doesnt change the outcome that because of those problems he was a trans leveler during his entire run and only at the end he gained a skyfather level of power.
Originally posted by red sabre
King thor had his physical abilities all along. he was effected by captain america hitting him when denting his shield. in the scans you posted we see captain america effecting thor with his shield hits while thor is having his full power. then we get king thor having the amulet blocking the odin force however his strength and durability are the same as with the odin force because at that point he did not have a real control of the odin force to the point he could amp his strength and durability. if you believe he could use the odin force to the levels of amping himself please show him doing so.
What are you talking about? King Thor no longer POSSESSED the Odin Force at that point in time:
I.e., Captain America was facing a worn down and injured CLASSIC Thor and it has no relevance on King Thor. Which is why I later referenced Classic Thor shrugging off Captain America's blows. Yes, King Thor could most definitely amp his physical stats. You yourself have referenced the scene where he easily shrugs off the Destroyer's energy beam and f*cking decapitates it and Desak together with a single throw.
What? MAYBE Captain America, with a surprise attack from behind mind you (Which has allowed MUCH weaker characters to off balance much stronger ones), bent King Thor forward a bit in the scan I posted. Anyways, it didn't hurt him in the slightest.
Originally posted by red sabre
again you are trying to make things up and tell me that king thor faked being effected by captain america which is laughable since as you posted yourself he was effected by cap in another situation.
No, I think Thor simply did not put up ANY resistance which is why Steve was able to just knock him around like that. This isn't rocket science.
Originally posted by red sabre
you cant take the feats of classic thor and aply them to king thor. the simple fact is that king thor was effected twice during differen fights by captain america and even taken down to the ground. this is not WWE and believing king thor faked being effected by the hits and took himself to the ground is both idioic and laughable to say the least.again wolverine cuts the door and breaks in. during that time king thor easily could use the odin force to do something to wolverine aside of standing and putting his arm like a wife that is about to get beaten by her husband. or else you believe thor s reaction is the same as of a snail or something. he couldnt even use the force to form some kind of force field or anything. and the fact he stands later holding his arm with pain and doesnt even heal himself only contributes to my point. also notice that his punch couldnt even knock wolverine out.
baseless? you got the nerve to call my statements baseless while your statements consist of nothing but wank?. i will repeat myself for you, both king thor and genis exchange a blow that sends the other flying and portrayed as evenly matched. if you believe this portray was not showing that then you are more (or not) biased than i thought. no matter how much you try to boost that genis he wasnt a skyfather deal with that. so now you know thor was not using the odin force on genis? really? wow you got some secret powers of knowing when thorking thor used the odin force? he used exactly what he could during that exchange and what he could was not enough to get an upper hand over a trans.
dude you simply cant grasp my points. here is an idea, why wont yo stop for a moment, breath, and read closely and slowly what i am writing. i am not claiming king thor used the whole odin force potential. i did not say he didnt have some problems preventing him from gaining access to more odin force. what i was saying is that i agree he had mental blocks and bla bla and whats not. but the point remains the same, all those reasons caused the result which i am talking about. the result is that during his entire run he was a trans leveler and only at the end of the arc he became a skyfather leveler. thats it thats my whole point. i am not arguing there wasnt an explanation to it, never said potentially he couldnt, i am just saying that X and Y are the reasons why he is Z.
the irony is that even at your scans classic thor did better than king thor who was basically a rape victim to desak.
but i will add that i personally remember a fight between thor and desak where thor got the upper hand on him physically.
and yes my comparison and logic are valid if you manage to grasp it.
if thor had power level 50 he uses it on desak which empowers desak by 20 and overall all it takes to beat thor is 50. then king thor is suppose to be 100 and althought desak absorbs more powers from king thor but it does not take 50 to take him down like with average thor but 100. therefor the relevance is the same, desak got empowered to higher level but he supposdly needed a higher level to beat thor. but then what we see? we see that he actually beat king thor much easier, which means thor did much better than king thor.again you dont understand my point. read carefully. i agree with you that king thor had problems which prevented him from ganing greater access to the odin force. however it still doesnt change the outcome that because of those problems he was a trans leveler during his entire run and only at the end he gained a skyfather level of power.
I've gone over the rest of this already.
If you want to legitimately continue this instead of repeating the same points ad infinitum, King Thor vs. Bor battle zone is the only way I see us making any final conclusion to this discussion.
Quick question (to anyone really):
Where did it state that Thor had fought Thing and Hulk for "hours" prior to returning to the group?
I'm not stating he didn't; but I have no recollection that he did either. Could be wrong.
Also- I always thought that fight was a bit bunk, TBH.
1. Thor should not require hours to deal with Thing. Hulk can amp up to match/exceed Thor's strength, and Hulk heals like lightning. I get having an hour(S) long battle with ole' Jade Jaws.
...But Thing is just plain out of his league here.
2. Since when does impaling Hulk on a spike equate to death? 😕
3. The entire thing was off-panel, depriving us of any context. We have no way to know if it was purely hand to hand, or other events occurred during the battle as well.
That fight felt much more in-line with a "What if?" than a continuity event.
Originally posted by jaxthejester
Quick question (to anyone really):Where did it state that Thor had fought Thing and Hulk for "hours" prior to returning to the group?
I'm not stating he didn't; but I have no recollection that he did either. Could be wrong.
Also- I always thought that fight was a bit bunk, TBH.
1. Thor should not require hours to deal with Thing. Hulk can amp up to match/exceed Thor's strength, and Hulk heals like lightning. I get having an hour(S) long battle with ole' Jade Jaws.
...But Thing is just plain out of his league here.2. Since when does impaling Hulk on a spike equate to death? 😕
3. The entire thing was off-panel, depriving us of any context. We have no way to know if it was purely hand to hand, or other events occurred during the battle as well.
That fight felt much more in-line with a "What if?" than a continuity event.
Thing himself wouldn't take as long but Ben with the Hulk? Just the interference that he could cause would usually tip the scales. I don't think a simple spike was all that did the Hulk in btw. The battle took that long for a reason.
I don't know what else you think could have happened as he had no Odin Force, no Mjolnir and allies helped him out. Maybe he could have used his weather powers but the implication was clearly hand to hand to me.
It is a shame that it was off-panel though. Would have been awesome to see.
Originally posted by jaxthejester
Quick question (to anyone really):Where did it state that Thor had fought Thing and Hulk for "hours" prior to returning to the group?
I'm not stating he didn't; but I have no recollection that he did either. Could be wrong.
Also- I always thought that fight was a bit bunk, TBH.
1. Thor should not require hours to deal with Thing. Hulk can amp up to match/exceed Thor's strength, and Hulk heals like lightning. I get having an hour(S) long battle with ole' Jade Jaws.
...But Thing is just plain out of his league here.2. Since when does impaling Hulk on a spike equate to death? 😕
3. The entire thing was off-panel, depriving us of any context. We have no way to know if it was purely hand to hand, or other events occurred during the battle as well.
That fight felt much more in-line with a "What if?" than a continuity event.
It was stated when he was standing over them. Also, I agree with everything youve said.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Second panel:Thing himself wouldn't take as long but Ben with the Hulk? Just the interference that he could cause would usually tip the scales. I don't think a simple spike was all that did the Hulk in btw. The battle took that long for a reason.
I don't know what else you think could have happened as he had no Odin Force, no Mjolnir and allies helped him out. Maybe he could have used his weather powers but the implication was clearly hand to hand to me.
It is a shame that it was off-panel though. Would have been awesome to see.
Thanks brother. I can always count on you for some good scan-backing. 🙂
And yes, I wish they would have shown it. I'm honestly not sure what else could happen, but I know that a spike through the torso will not kill Hulk. Stop him for a bit? Sure. If Thor spent hours working over his healing factor, I could see him stunting it enough to make Hulk need extra healing time... but outright killing him via simple impalement is contrary to his power-set, IMO. Other factors are at play, or (though I hate to lightly throw the term around) PIS was at play.
Good point about Thing... I just honestly don't see Hulk being able to play defensive blocker for him consistently for over an hour. Thing, with Hulk leading the charge, could hang for a bit- but if Thor is striking with enough power to drop Hulk in HTH combat (something Thor has never been capable of doing in the past), then Thor should likewise be striking with enough power to nearly 1-shot Ben. The math just doesn't add up.
Thanks for the reply bud.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you talking about? King Thor no longer POSSESSED the Odin Force at that point in time:I.e., Captain America was facing a worn down and injured CLASSIC Thor and it has no relevance on King Thor. Which is why I later referenced Classic Thor shrugging off Captain America's blows. Yes, King Thor could most definitely amp his physical stats. You yourself have referenced the scene where he easily shrugs off the Destroyer's energy beam and f*cking decapitates it and Desak together with a single throw.
What? MAYBE Captain America, with a surprise attack from behind mind you (Which has allowed MUCH weaker characters to off balance much stronger ones), bent King Thor forward a bit in the scan I posted. Anyways, it didn't hurt him in the slightest.
No, I think Thor simply did not put up ANY resistance which is why Steve was able to just knock him around like that. This isn't rocket science.
I've gone over the rest of this already.
If you want to legitimately continue this instead of repeating the same points ad infinitum, King Thor vs. Bor battle zone is the only way I see us making any final conclusion to this discussion.
in the other scans you posted he has the odin force and he is effected by captain america.
in this fight the amulet is blocking the odin force but the question is was he even at the level that he could amp himself via odin force? dont forget that at that point his control of the odin force was very limited as you stated yourself and judging by the way he fought iron man earlier i dont think he could even amp himself via odin force.
at the very end when fighting desak in the destroyer armor he mastered the odin force therefor no surprise here.
never said cap was able to inflict real damage on thor, however he did effect thor and made him feel his attacks as we see in the scans.
even if king thor did not resist he still shouldnt be falling down from hits. if it was a takedown i wouldnt say anything because he probably weights like 300 lbs or something and cap should be able to pick him up. however he fell and twitched from hits and thats something that would never happen to lets say superman who would be just standing there and let cap break his fists.
i will put it this way. it is very clear to me that you believe king thor was a skyfather level being during the entire run. i never said he didnt have the potential because he had the odin force within him the whole time. but he couldnt use it and thats a fact. now if you believe he was a skyfather before he became worthy of mjolnir, during his whole run, then please show some feats of king thor before becoming worthy of mjolnir doing things that are on a skyfather level.
melting wolverines claw and caps shield is impressive indeed. however i do believe superman could achieve such thing with his heat vision if he wanted it like king thor wanted. please show me some real skyfather feats from him until the point he beheaded desak.
