Originally posted by carver9
Why would you put him at trans tier when Superboy stomped him 3 times in a fight? Superboy at best is a low to mid Herald. Do I need to post the stompage?
first of all guardian amped prime wasnt beaten by anyone therefor i assume we are talking about superboy prime.
now as far as superboy prime goes. carver i know you arent the smartest poster around here, but the years you have been here should put some degree of sense into you (but i guess you are just trolling).
superboy prime is a trans leveler because he wrecked teams of heralds like toys. he wrecked superman like a toy. he broke dimensions with his fists, altered time and reality, defeated guardians and GL members like nothing. defeated an ION, flew thru anti monitor like nothing. basically he raped and broke anything he wanted with his physical strength, that puts him as a trans without any doubt. on the other hand we got the PIS feats of him having a decent fight from superboy and the last teen titans. if we take into weight all the events we see that those PIS events are extreme minority compared to his overall portrayal and therefor its PIS. its the same if i ask you what level is hulk? you say herald and then i say but captain america owned him. spiderman owned him. wolverine owned him atc atc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He was amped when he did the Earth feat. Even though I think Superman is superior, your reasoning is flawed. Anyone who has heat vision surpassing the heat of Stars can most definitely heat a planet, destroy asteroids etc. (Which I believe Gladiator has done, the latter I mean). Lol, I like how we assume the best for Superman and the worst for everyone else. God, you're such a superficial and shameless lot aren't you?Well, when it said Superman's heat vision was hotter then the Sun, did it mean our Sun, or a cooler alternate reality Sun for Earth-6 or whatever?
When someone from Earth uses a generic term like Star, it's a pretty safe bet that they have OUR goddamn Sun in mind, no? What would even be the point if not a common reference that almost anyone could easily understand?
This is the kind of stupid, nonsensical shit that makes me give up hope.
again as i stated before i will repeat. superman heat vision is hotter than the sun as was stated. gladiator on the other hand has a statement of being hotter than a star. now as you admitted yourself there are different stars with different heat levels. if gladiators heat vision was hotter than the sun it would be stated that way, however it was stated hotter than a star. the reason? probably the writer wanted to portray his heat vision as being hot, but he didnt want to go that far and say hotter than a sun so he chose a star for comparison.
it was stated in the mainstream superman universe therefor its the mainstream sun and we all good 🙂
dont put words into writers mouthes. you wont tell me or anyone what the writer meant. if the writer wanted it to be a sun he would write the sun. the writer mentioned a star. which star? unless you can read minds we dont know.
Originally posted by red sabre
first of all guardian amped prime wasnt beaten by anyone therefor i assume we are talking about superboy prime.now as far as superboy prime goes. carver i know you arent the smartest poster around here, but the years you have been here should put some degree of sense into you (but i guess you are just trolling).
superboy prime is a trans leveler because he wrecked teams of heralds like toys. he wrecked superman like a toy. he broke dimensions with his fists, altered time and reality, defeated guardians and GL members like nothing. defeated an ION, flew thru anti monitor like nothing. basically he raped and broke anything he wanted with his physical strength, that puts him as a trans without any doubt. on the other hand we got the PIS feats of him having a decent fight from superboy and the last teen titans. if we take into weight all the events we see that those PIS events are extreme minority compared to his overall portrayal and therefor its PIS. its the same if i ask you what level is hulk? you say herald and then i say but captain america owned him. spiderman owned him. wolverine owned him atc atc.
So you can point out Prime high showings but ignore KT highs? Does that make sense to you? Prime low showings outweight KTs...by a long shot.
Originally posted by red sabre
again as i stated before i will repeat. superman heat vision is hotter than the sun as was stated. gladiator on the other hand has a statement of being hotter than a star. now as you admitted yourself there are different stars with different heat levels. if gladiators heat vision was hotter than the sun it would be stated that way, however it was stated hotter than a star. the reason? probably the writer wanted to portray his heat vision as being hot, but he didnt want to go that far and say hotter than a sun so he chose a star for comparison.it was stated in the mainstream superman universe therefor its the mainstream sun and we all good 🙂
dont put words into writers mouthes. you wont tell me or anyone what the writer meant. if the writer wanted it to be a sun he would write the sun. the writer mentioned a star. which star? unless you can read minds we dont know.
But there are different suns as well. Prove they were talking about earth sun?
Originally posted by carver9
So you can point out Prime high showings but ignore KT highs? Does that make sense to you? Prime low showings outweight KTs...by a long shot.
and what are KT high showings? aside of beheading desak in the destroyer armor. because thats my whole argument that before the getting mjolnir back and owning desak thing he wasnt a skyfather. you dont even know whats the argument about but you are here with a biased anus. well if you jumped the wagon then go ahead and provide me feats of king thor before being worthy of mjolnir that put him as a skyfather.
Originally posted by red sabre
first of all guardian amped prime wasnt beaten by anyone therefor i assume we are talking about superboy prime.now as far as superboy prime goes. carver i know you arent the smartest poster around here, but the years you have been here should put some degree of sense into you (but i guess you are just trolling).
superboy prime is a trans leveler because he wrecked teams of heralds like toys. he wrecked superman like a toy. he broke dimensions with his fists, altered time and reality, defeated guardians and GL members like nothing. defeated an ION, flew thru anti monitor like nothing. basically he raped and broke anything he wanted with his physical strength, that puts him as a trans without any doubt. on the other hand we got the PIS feats of him having a decent fight from superboy and the last teen titans. if we take into weight all the events we see that those PIS events are extreme minority compared to his overall portrayal and therefor its PIS. its the same if i ask you what level is hulk? you say herald and then i say but captain america owned him. spiderman owned him. wolverine owned him atc atc.
For someone who is so critical of King Thor, for even the smallest of things, regardless of the overall message, you seem to have no problem giving Prime high praise despite his less than flawless record. Heck, in some of those examples, you're just flat out misrepresenting the scenes. I like how PIS in the extreme minority (Despite him having like 3 different fights with Superboy) is irrelevant for Prime but we've spent like 2 pages discussing Wolverine breaking King Thor's skin and Captain America doing no damage knocking around a worn down King Thor without Odin Force.
Originally posted by red sabre
it happened in the mainstream universe therefor its the mainstream sun. if it was a sun from different universe it would be stated.
If it was a Star other then the Sun, it would be stated.
That was too easy.
Originally posted by red sabre
again as i stated before i will repeat. superman heat vision is hotter than the sun as was stated. gladiator on the other hand has a statement of being hotter than a star. now as you admitted yourself there are different stars with different heat levels. if gladiators heat vision was hotter than the sun it would be stated that way, however it was stated hotter than a star. the reason? probably the writer wanted to portray his heat vision as being hot, but he didnt want to go that far and say hotter than a sun so he chose a star for comparison.it was stated in the mainstream superman universe therefor its the mainstream sun and we all good 🙂
dont put words into writers mouthes. you wont tell me or anyone what the writer meant. if the writer wanted it to be a sun he would write the sun. the writer mentioned a star. which star? unless you can read minds we dont know.
But was it ever stated specifically regarding the mainstream Sun? And how do you know whether it was talking about just the surface temperature or the core?
I know some liberties need to be taken at times in comics but you're nitpicking can be applied to almost anything in order to justify ridiculous positions. If you really don't understand why it's likely when someone from Earth says a Star, they're talking about something similar to the Sun, then I cannot help you.
Anyways, my initial point is that Superman's heat vision isn't melting Steve's shield and Wolverine's skeleton. Even if it is hotter then the Sun. Not to mention Wolverine's skeleton has actually been in the Sun before, but I don't think we need to know that to reach the conclusion I did based on everything else they've endured.