Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Surprisingly I didn't see this thread so I thought I'd make it.
Jacen Solo – Matthew Goode, Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Sebastian Stan
Jaina Solo - Jennifer Lawrence or Shailene Woodley
Sith Lord – Hugo Weaving or Gary Oldman
Wise Cracking Bounty Hunter: Michael Jai White or Zachary Levi?
What do you guys think?
Originally posted by jaden101
I only know one thing for absolute certain about this movie. Simon Pegg will be in it.And if there's something else likely to happen then Benedict Cumberbatch will probably play a sith or Thrawn if they go with that story.
That would be great. I wouldn't mind that at all
Originally posted by jaden101
And JJA isn't really one for giving much of a **** about existing continuity. And George Lucas proved he's long past giving a **** by selling it off.
Star Trek was a reboot, JJ Abrams didn't have to give a shit about continuity. The good news is, while JJ wasn't a Star Trek fan, he is a Star Wars fan. So I think this time around JJ and Disney really do care about movie continuity.
BTW, EU is not official canon
Originally posted by Firefly218
Star Trek was a reboot, JJ Abrams didn't have to give a shit about continuity. The good news is, while JJ wasn't a Star Trek fan, he is a Star Wars fan. So I think this time around JJ and Disney really do care about movie continuity.BTW, EU is not official canon
Incorrect. EU is considered part of the overall Star Wars universe, but has a lower level of priority when it comes into conflict with anything George Lucas personally directs, oversees, or green-lights. However, Disney has already apparently retained Leland Chee and, being the movie fanboy that he is, EU might get the chop.
I wonder how this will bode for TOR? In any case, this movie could either rejuvenate this series (which it direly needs; the retreading Clone Wars material is old and the EU is varying levels of good) or it could be a death-knell. The PT was, in retrospect, horrible.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Incorrect. EU is considered part of the overall Star Wars universe, but has a lower level of priority when it comes into conflict with anything George Lucas personally directs, oversees, or green-lights. However, Disney has already apparently retained Leland Chee and, being the movie fanboy that he is, EU might get the chop.I wonder how this will bode for TOR? In any case, this movie could either rejuvenate this series (which it direly needs; the retreading Clone Wars material is old and the EU is varying levels of good) or it could be a death-knell. The PT was, in retrospect, horrible.
I meant EU isn't officially canon to the movies
Which is kind of a misleading statement. The canon levels aren't strictly divided by movie/non-movie either; GL has sanctioned comics, novel tie-ins, radio plays, and so on which are considered G-canon over more remote C-canon, etc.
While most Star Wars fans are largely ignorant to the stratification and diversity found in EU, those that aren't find it jarring when it's written off without a word. There's stuff in EU that surpasses GL's work in the last 15 years, to be honest. But there's also stuff that is total rubbish, because of both the nature of many authors and creators and Lucas' ridiculously lax policing. So Disney's plan to take a chainsaw to it (rumored) is probably going to become a reality. I point out again that they retained Leland "Most fans only care about the movies" Chee who has probably wanted to do as much for the last ten years.
If this DOES happen, well, a fresh start isn't a bad idea. ST reboot is successful and doesn't have quite the same level of baggage as prime universal material would have, but George Lucas didn't handle the EU-situation the same as ST. And how that worked is anything not a tv-show/movie in ST is pretty much non-canon period, whereas GL has this ridiculous flexible caste system going on which makes things difficult to control and interpret. There's entire debates spiraling out of control about EU interpretation in this very forum, though it's cooled down considerably with the lack of new content and the upcoming movie in the works.
In my opinion, Disney could do EU justice by lifting the best ideas from it, and canning the worst. If they mulligan EU and then pretty much recreate the highlights and implement it into their original story, SW would benefit. If they just hack away EU entirely and go off in their own direction, they're relying entirely on their own novelty, and this could potentially blow up in their face.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Which is kind of a misleading statement. The canon levels aren't strictly divided by movie/non-movie either; GL has sanctioned comics, novel tie-ins, radio plays, and so on which are considered G-canon over more remote C-canon, etc.While most Star Wars fans are largely ignorant to the stratification and diversity found in EU, those that aren't find it jarring when it's written off without a word. There's stuff in EU that surpasses GL's work in the last 15 years, to be honest. But there's also stuff that is total rubbish, because of both the nature of many authors and creators and Lucas' ridiculously lax policing. So Disney's plan to take a chainsaw to it (rumored) is probably going to become a reality. I point out again that they retained Leland "Most fans only care about the movies" Chee who has probably wanted to do as much for the last ten years.
If this DOES happen, well, a fresh start isn't a bad idea. ST reboot is successful and doesn't have quite the same level of baggage as prime universal material would have, but George Lucas didn't handle the EU-situation the same as ST. And how that worked is anything not a tv-show/movie in ST is pretty much non-canon period, whereas GL has this ridiculous flexible caste system going on which makes things difficult to control and interpret. There's entire debates spiraling out of control about EU interpretation in this very forum, though it's cooled down considerably with the lack of new content and the upcoming movie in the works.
In my opinion, Disney could do EU justice by lifting the best ideas from it, and canning the worst. If they mulligan EU and then pretty much recreate the highlights and implement it into their original story, SW would benefit. If they just hack away EU entirely and go off in their own direction, they're relying entirely on their own novelty, and this could potentially blow up in their face.
I understand what you're saying, but a vast majority of the SW fan base is completely unaware of the EU. For that reason, JJ can come up with original content without being bound to the parameters of the EU - which I'm assuming he isn't very familiar with himself.
Personally, I do agree with the idea of recreating highlights of EU.
Firefly's sort of right. Lucas always said the EU is a different Universe to his (movie) Universe. That's why Lucas himself would contradict the EU so much when making the Prequels and TCW. So when Lucas has always ignored it, we can't possibly expect Abrams to be completely faithful to it.
On the other hand Lucas would occasionally "borrow" elements from the EU, which is why the EU was considered canon, but a lower level of canon.
Going forward with Disney though, everything will be Equal in Canon. Books, comics everything will be equal canon to the movies. But of course before that happens a lot of the previous EU will be scrapped. Most the post ROTJ Eu stuff is surely doomed.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Firefly's sort of right. Lucas always said the EU is a different Universe to his (movie) Universe. That's why Lucas himself would contradict the EU so much when making the Prequels and TCW. So when Lucas has always ignored it, we can't possibly expect Abrams to be completely faithful to it.On the other hand Lucas would occasionally "borrow" elements from the EU, which is why the EU was considered canon, but a lower level of canon.
Going forward with Disney though, everything will be Equal in Canon. Books, comics everything will be equal canon to the movies. But of course before that happens a lot of the previous EU will be scrapped. Most the post ROTJ Eu stuff is surely doomed.
That point is correct, but Firefly was using very short, concise means to describe a very complex situation, and using the wrong terms. Which is why I felt the divine directive to correct him, using my own extensive experience into SW canon interpretation.
As you can attest to, Darth Power.
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Too many star wars fanboys put far too much faith in George Lucas and his blessing over what went into EU canon and what didn't. Thinking that he scrutinised stories to fit preexisting canon etc. I'm willing to bet he asked 1 question every time someone from Lucas Arts etc came to him with something new for the EU to be published/released. 'Will it make me even more money?'
If the answer was yes then it'd go in and **** whether it fit into canon or not. That's why it's in such a complete shambles and why the best thing JJ and his team could do is ignore its continuity and only use it for interesting characters and situations.