It wasn't just at the end with the Joker that batman was bitten... he was also bitten when he was saving the batman impersonators who were trying to stop the mob guys in the park structure... He got bite them.. and mentions to Morgain Freeman that he wants a new suit that can help against dog bites... so he got bitten and punctured twice.. not once.
There's no reason to assume that raptors can see in the dark, so Batman has an edge here. But that all depends on how quickly he can find a place to hide and react. If the steel containers aren't double stacked, he has probably nowhere to hide and they can smell him so they'll eventually find him. And they can jump six feet straight up, grab on to things, and are, according to Michael Crichton, as smart as chimps. They figured out doors, the shit that keeps dogs and cats domesticated for thousands of years.
Wait... why would we assume they can't see in the dark? I'm unclear on this point.. When a vast VAST majority of land animals can see in the dark.. we're going to assume the Raptors fall into the 1% category who can't? That is silly logic in my opinion and doesn't make sense.. what makes more sense is that they can see just fine for hunting purposes in the dark.
Originally posted by NemeBro
They can't ascend a sheer surface though.Batman, through his gear, can.
If the containers are stacked neatly, yeah Batman can hide out.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wait... why would we assume they can't see in the dark? I'm unclear on this point.. When a vast VAST majority of land animals can see in the dark.. we're going to assume the Raptors fall into the 1% category who can't? That is silly logic in my opinion and doesn't make sense.. what makes more sense is that they can see just fine for hunting purposes in the dark.
This assumption is largely based around what I remember from the movies, which were filmed before newer advanced studies indicated that raptors were nocturnal. In any case, we can't prove conclusively to what level they could see; we know Batman with sonar has a huge advantage in perception, and he can maneuver himself out of harm's way. Raptors, in dark man-made environments, seem to be a bit more cautious unlike outside.
Regarding the movie:
The kids hid in a darkened kitchen. The raptors didn't immediately find them, even with the ability to smell them and hear them. This ignores the point that they are ridiculously easy to distract. Batman could throw nickels around and probably get out of a tight spot.
And that's a lot brighter than this place conceivably would be. There's other stuff too in 2-3 where in man-made darkened environments, they are more cautious, either implying natural distrust of their environment or some limited visual impairment. An impairment Batman simply does not have.
Also, the idea that 1% of animals can't is some BS; a large majority of birds are not nocturnal and lack the eye structure to truly see in the dark. There's a fundamental difference between having true night vision and getting by. Raptors are, feathers included, ancestors of modern birds.
you said they CAN'T see in the dark.. Which again.. goes against a HUGE majority of land animals that can in fact see in the dark. To me.. it's better to side with th majoirty when discussing probability than the minority when in doubt. If you said.. see just enough to get by... I could maybe accept that... that they can't see in the dark period... that seems illogical
In the kitchen scene you reference... there didn't see to be any room light issue at all. Not sure where you got that from. If anything.. I would accept the theory that they are more timid in man made environments at first than I would that there was an eye issue. To me it was more of a issue of places to hide and not an more open environment than any eye sight deficiency. Plus, I would submit the scenes where the Raptors open the doors on two seperate occasions.. AND when it followed them up the air duct before they jumped on the T-Rex fossil.. obviously learning how to climb something as they did to barely escape him.
I could be wrong.. but I even seem to remember the scene in the lost world.. where the raptors starting picking off that team in the field one by one that was sent to capture dinosaurs. Can't remember for sure.. but I thought that scene took place at night.
In any case, they just need to get by in the dark assuming that is the best they can do... They have better hearing and smell than batman.. and thus all they need is vision just to get by. They are faster.. stronger and bigger in general. They bite or claws would certainly pierce Batman's gear as well.. as we've seen dogs do it easily. I raptor I could see Batman beating.. 3... Just don't see it.
This largely depends on the distance for starters. If batman wants to grapple away he has to hook the line up to his belt after it attaches to something. Not to mention he would need to find the spot to shoot it in the first place. So if he can find the spot, aim and shoot it, then attach the line to his belt and let it pull him away before they get him....then sure he will make it to a hiding spot and and throw bombs. Other then that batman stands no chance at all and will die a very painful death.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
you said they CAN'T see in the dark.. Which again.. goes against a HUGE majority of land animals that can in fact see in the dark. To me.. it's better to side with th majoirty when discussing probability than the minority when in doubt. If you said.. see just enough to get by... I could maybe accept that... that they can't see in the dark period... that seems illogical
I can see, in retrospect, where you would think this based on my initial post. However, I clarified this quite well. You are mistaking "OMG ABSOLUTELY BLIND IN TEH DARK" with "lacking true night vision". Again, the film versions of these creatures are the admissible evidence here, since the idea that raptors were nocturnal was found out well after the films were created. JP debuted in theaters in 1993.
In the kitchen scene you reference... there didn't see to be any room light issue at all. Not sure where you got that from. If anything.. I would accept the theory that they are more timid in man made environments at first than I would that there was an eye issue. To me it was more of a issue of places to hide and not an more open environment than any eye sight deficiency. Plus, I would submit the scenes where the Raptors open the doors on two seperate occasions.. AND when it followed them up the air duct before they jumped on the T-Rex fossil.. obviously learning how to climb something as they did to barely escape him.
What I did not link you to besides were scenes from JP 2 and 3 in even darker environments where the raptors were as cautious. Outside, they can hide well, ambush, and work in concert. Inside, they are still very very deadly, but there's an element of uncertainty. It could be limited night vision; could be the environment; could be both. We're both speculating heavily here.
I could be wrong.. but I even seem to remember the scene in the lost world.. where the raptors starting picking off that team in the field one by one that was sent to capture dinosaurs. Can't remember for sure.. but I thought that scene took place at night.
It did, but I rewatched it; there's a bright bright light source overhead. Think road work at night type light.
In any case, they just need to get by in the dark assuming that is the best they can do... They have better hearing and smell than batman.. and thus all they need is vision just to get by.
That didn't help them gobble up the kids in that tiny kitchen, even though they could smell the children (who were filthy and had thrown up in the car, not bathed for a day, etc.) and they could hear them gasp and move. It didn't help them nab any either; they charged balls out into a reflection.
They are faster.. stronger and bigger in general. They bite or claws would certainly pierce Batman's gear as well.. as we've seen dogs do it easily. I raptor I could see Batman beating.. 3... Just don't see it.
Again, this is a warehouse, with steel stacked containers. He has a grapplying hook. He can dangle from the ceiling and throw Bat-a-rangs and make the lights go out, then use his sonar to drop Bat-Raptor-Repellent, or use his Bat-Stun-Gun to take some out.
He's not fist-fighting these guys in a hallway.
Fair enough and you did clarify this point in your next post.
I'm curious about what has come out after the movies.. I didn't know there was some in depth study on their vision and what it was capable of. That is pretty cool in an of itself and I'm going to try and read more on this... I'm just wondering how they can test such things..
I understand your point about one of them not getting the kids when he had the chance... However, I kinda view that scene as PIS more than anything. I know you may not, but that is just how I see it. They aren't going to kill off those kids.. no matter if T-Rex had them trapped with no where to go.. somebody or something would save them. Shit, they already survived glass stopping T-Rex from eating them.. Like that glass would stopped a thing... Does that mean T-Rex isn't a good killer or hunter? Nah, they just had to live.
Hmmm that is weird about the light... I watched it myself again, and you're right. I'mnot sure if that was used to light up the area so we can see them picked off one by one in dramatic fashion.. or the light was really there and working. Problem with later is, no lights were working at all.. so why were some random lights in field working when no others were?
You're right Batman does have a chance if he fights smart and uses all his resources.. I suppose he could. Like you say, it would require hiim GTFOOdodge quickly to even have a chance. If he did, yeah he could make it happen.. if he doesn't.. it's over.