Originally posted by NemeBro
Look at this guy, lol.Here we see you gloating and acting as though you won the thread (While I was busy actually reading the Silmarillion to verify my stance mind you) when no one really responded after a while.
Strange how you hold other people to standards above yourself.
Anyway, Sauron wins 10/10 gg. 👆
Which PIS examples were those now?
Frankly I don't know why raptors being eluded by some humans is PIS. It isn't like they were ever shown to be more competent. The only real PIS showing I've (semi-jokingly) used is the ****ing kid killing them in Lost World.
Anyway, there is no reason why Batman couldn't or wouldn't go high up. And when he does, he wins.
Which I'm STILL waiting for by the way. I claimed 1st age elves feats shit all over 2nd or third. Then you acted like you had something by saying Gil-Galad was a 1st age elv.. Cool THEN POST HIS FEATS. Ohh wait.. could it be that he wasn't even around till the END of the first age and for the most part was a child and thus had no first age feats just as I said. The man-king obbiously has no first age feats... So again POST THEM if you have them. If not, my statement stands ... Killing Elves with first age feats trumps beating two kings with no feats to speak of. Which again, makes sense since GOthmog is the WARRIOR.. Sauron is just the lackey held up in the fortress to learn the ways of Malkor but kept away from the battles so he doesn't get hurt. For the life of you.. you couldn't explain why Sauron was never there at any of the battles when GOthmog was around. For somebody so badass.. you'd think he would be leading the army or killing elves left and right.. yet he wasn't.. Gothmog was leading and do the killing while Sauron was held in the fortress cause he's no warrior... he's a politician.
Where did good ol' moose go... I'll ask again... is Michael Myers ad bad killer cause he couldn't kill a 120 pound girl with no weapon? This is the exact kinda logic your'e trying to use for the raptors. Them not being able to kill kids who couldn't be killed for the sake of the plot isn't a strike against them... that is PIS for the sake of the movie. Just like Jamie Lee not dying.. just like every movie pretty much ever made... certain characters are key and won't die.. no matter what.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which I'm STILL waiting for by the way. I claimed 1st age elves feats shit all over 2nd or third. Then you acted like you had something by saying Gil-Galad was a 1st age elv.. Cool THEN POST HIS FEATS.
Gil-Galad is a First Age Elf. He was king of the Noldor for a while before the War of Wrath happened.
Though if you want we could just point out that Tolkien said that heroes as mighty as him (Or Elendil) no longer exist in the Third Age. This includes Galadriel.
Ohh wait.. could it be that he wasn't even around till the END of the first age and for the most part was a child and thus had no first age feats just as I said.
So what you're saying is he was born and reigned in the first age? Great.
The man-king obbiously has no first age feats... So again POST THEM if you have them.
No one said Elendil was a First Age character, lol.
If not, my statement stands ... Killing Elves with first age feats trumps beating two kings with no feats to speak of.
The only elf he killed with "First Age feats" also killed him.
And Sauron easily tanked Luthien's enchantment and knocked her out. Luthien is more powerful than everyone Gothmog killed (Usually with help) combined.
Oh, and he also warded off the power of the Valar when it was sent to raze Numenor to the ground.
Did you even read my last few posts that raped your argument to death?
Which again, makes sense since GOthmog is the WARRIOR.. Sauron is just the lackey held up in the fortress to learn the ways of Malkor but kept away from the battles so he doesn't get hurt.
Let's take a look at their track record:
Sauron took Minas Tirith solely due to his powerful magic.
Gothmog tried to take Gondolin and died in the attempt.
For the life of you.. you couldn't explain why Sauron was never there at any of the battles when GOthmog was around. For somebody so badass.. you'd think he would be leading the army or killing elves left and right.. yet he wasn't.. Gothmog was leading and do the killing while Sauron was held in the fortress cause he's no warrior... he's a politician.
Only Sauron did go out and wage campaigns though. Like Minas Tirith.
The difference is Sauron could do more than just fight. Which he could still do mind you. Better than Gothmog in fact, who has never actually overcome a single character without help.
No he wasn't reigning fo rsometime at all. In fact, he was SHARING the reign once his father died. He was only a teenager when he took over and that was AT THE END of the first age. He had NO FIRST AGE FEATS.. You concede this correct? You about it in a long winded way but this point this stands he has NO first age feats.
That was my point... Killing Elendil and Gil-Galad isn't impressive. They were both FEATLESS wonders and all shit all over by feats in comparisonto who Gothmog killed. There is no getting around this fact. Gothmog killed probably the greatest elv ever and Ecth, who's feats also shit all over Gil-Galad and Elendil. Again.. you go about things the hard way... Do the guys Gothmog killed have better feats than Gil-Galad and Elendil? Not to mention Sauron also died in the process of killing guys with no feats.. that's pretty piss poor. Wait did you say Ecth was more impressive and the only one with feats? You do know who Feanor is right?
I'm curious.. do you even know when he took on Minas Tirith? Do you have any idea what age that was in? I'm starting to think you don't.
Explain this.. Why was Gothmog LEADING the armies in battle and in charge of the armies when he as around. Not once.. not ONE TIME was Sauron leading the troops in battle when Gothmog was around. Why is that if Sauron was such a badass warrior? Because he wasn't on gothmog's level and Melkor knew who daddy was when it came to battle. He named Gothmog Captain.. while Sauron was only a LIeu.. Which again speaks volumes about the pecking order in battle. So again, explain why Sauron NEVER lead any troops in battle if he was so badass. We know in Tolkienverse.. the strong and the royalty generally always lead the troops. The best of the best are in front. We see this with Elves.. men... everybody. Why was Sauron never leading when Gothmog was around? Shit, he was never even battling or sent to battle... that tells you how piss poor Melkor thought his battle skills were if he never sent him into battle. You'd think if he had the ace in the hole to win and a bad ass warrior at his side.. he'd use him to ya know.. WIN BATTLES.. Nope.. he never went to battle when his daddy Gothmog was around.
You keep going on and on about him SURVIVING when Numenor was wasted.. He didn't live.. he was killed.. his spirit survived and he took on another host.. This doesn't mean he wasn't killed.. he was.. just not permakilled. Aren't you the one who said of Eru wanted him dead.. that Sauron would still live... LMFAO HHAHAHAHAHHAH... Why I even debate with somebody that says God can't kill someone is beyond me. that exemplifies how off base you are. If Eru wanted middle earth completly destroyed that is EXACTLY what would've happened. He could do whatever he wants. With a mere gesture or thought... Sauron would be wipe away for all existence. Eru couldn't kill Sauron HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA
Fight better than Gothmog LULZ... if so why was he not the captain of the forces.. why was he not leading them? Why when Gothmog was around Sauron NEVER was in any battles or leading any troops? Odd eh for such a great warrior and better warrior than Gothmog. You do know how logical reasoning works right? Your premise and conclusion defy logic and reason. IF he was a better warrior than Gothmog.. he would've lead the armies in battle.. he woudl've been the one killing elven Lords... Yet he wasn't.. explain that
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STFU with your War and Peace-length off-topic LOTR bullshit. You and Neme both agreed Bats can (and will) go airborne and use that strategy to win. You also both agreed he can not win if he is grounded. The debate is over. If your guys want to swordfight with your dicks, do it in the LOTR thread you are discussing or the OT forum. Not here, where it is entirely irrelevant to this thread.