Stealth Moose
Umbrella Elite
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's not invalid.. We're told through character dialogu how good Muldoon was.. that isn't just dismissed because he was killed. That isn't how it works at all. In fact, we're told that he's knows them better than anybody.
Correction: He knows them better than the foreign workers he employs, eccentric "who gives a ****" John Hammond, and the egg heads who just work in gene manipulation or operating a theme park. He's the only animal expert on the island, and he was explicitly not a dino expert. Grant is, which is why he knew how they thought and survived them so well.
Muldoon is just a game warden. That's even his title.
Him dying doesn't change that, in fact, it was used to show just how the good the raptors are. For the sake of this argument you've choosen to forgot the clear presentation of the scene and go the opposite dirrection. Them killing them was used to show their excellance.. not the opposite.
No, unlike you, I correctly remember the context of his death, his position, and so on. In fact, when the movie came out, he was my favorite character. He's much better in the book, IMO, drunk or no.
The point remains that Grant, a dino expert, knew their attack patterns. Muldoon, a non-dinosaur expert, a game warden of African animals from Kenya reserves, wasn't, and he died for it.
The environment and his ignorance favored them. The feat has zero relevance here.
Again, saying is killed and thus wasn't very good is really bad logical reasoning.
What does this have to do with anything? No one is saying this.
Was Michael Myers weak and a terrible killer because he couldn't kill Jamie Lee Curtis? even though he could kill people 3 x her size who had weapons? Of course not, she wasn't meant to die. Just like the kids weren't meant to die. The raptors not killing them was PIS and you nkow that very well Stealth. Is the T Rex bad at killing things 2 cause it couldn't kill 2 small kids right in front of him? Was Apollo Creed not one of the best boxers of all time in the Rocky verse because he lost to Balboa? Going by your logic.. all the character dialogue about him was false since Rocky beat him.. Doesn't work that way and you know very well that it doesn't.
Their deaths are irrelevant. The fact that they outmaneuvered or escaped the raptors is relevant, except when it's extremely contrived or someone else aided them.
The assertion I made was this: that the raptors have been fooled, evaded, or defeated by people much less capable than Batman.
You have not refuted this with anything, except false information about Muldoon and whining about PIS while abusing the term and stretching it to cover any plot-situation which doesn't favor your stance.
The facts are these.. unless batman goes up high he has NO chance. Period. If you want to make an argument for him still winning.. please do so. If not, I agree that if he goes up high he can and prob would win. However, it seems you might be under theimpression that he can stay low and still win... we can debate that further since I don't see it that way. The Raptors have most of the physical advantages in this fight and there is no getting around that fact
1. Batman's going to go up high. Because he's not a moron.
2. I never said he can "stay low and win". I said he would lose only if he was confined, because that would obliterate his chances for evasion. People evade the raptors in indoors settings constantly throughout the movies, and again, these people are far inferior to Batman in every way.
3. What other arguments do you have that aren't already crushed?