Cyborg Superman vs Orion · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Diesldude Senior Member

Edit.. the scan is too big.. LOL..

You have some good scans there abhi.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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Man, if anyone who reads this fight believes it was meant to show inferiority on Orion's part in comparison to Superman, they have terrible reading comprehension.

Reading narration helps. Darkseid compared Superman to himself and stated Orion has infinite rage and we know Darkseid is stronger than Orion. Also Superman's punches were tossing Orion around, Superman took Orion's punch flush to the chin and wasn't even moved.

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Also under the same writer Superman dominated an amped Infinity Man, someone who is conclusively stronger than Orion.

So pardon me your idiocy.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Also here Darkseid again casually manhandles Orion.

Puts down Orion with a casual omega beam blast.

Two issues later, Superman does far better.

Darkseid directly compared how even Orion has never done that.

And most importantly here Darkseid especially comments that not even Orion has ever defeated him.

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This is by far the lowest showing Darkseid has ever had against Superman. Contradicts all the previous showings these two had, but that’s comics. Anyways Superman wants to fight DS to get his friend freed from the Aegis Armor

Just before Superman beat stuffing out of him. I can post several more such examples like that.

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All these scans.....none of which convince me that Orion is top weak to just rip his heart out.

That he's weaker than Superman, sure. Don't worry Anhi your precious hero is still top dog.

But like I said, just because Arnie is way stronger than me, doesn't mean we both can't lift a 2kg weight.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All these scans.....none of which convince me that Orion is top weak to just rip his heart out.
That he's weaker than Superman, sure. Don't worry Anhi your precious hero is still top dog.
But like I said, just because Arnie is way stronger than me, doesn't mean we both can't lift a 2kg weight.

Cyborg is as strong as Byrne Superman having his DNA. Can Orion rip Byrne Superman's heart out? I doubt it.

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Is he asDURABLE as Byrne Superman?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Sure he is. Here superman says that his metal parts are invulnerable and his flesh mimics his own.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/ManOfSteel052j.jpg

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So if they're invulnerable...how is Superman later able to casually, CASUALLY, mid sentence, just reach in and rip his module out? Can't be THAT invulnerable.

I understand if Superman was struggling, or at least, putting some effort into it. Not to mention, in the scan you posted, that's a hugely amped Kryptonite -X Superman, no?

Zack Fair Fanboy

Orion.

Hank is tough, but his biggest draw is his ability to resurrect from scratch(IMO) Superman being Superman he owned the shit out of Hank(not the first time mind you) and happened to grab some core or whatever.the.**** that was.

Would Orion know what to tear off? Who knows. I think he could certainly punch through though.

Such a shitty showing for hank though, LOL. Poor poor Hank. That arc was so shitty. Which kind of sucks because the build up was legit.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if they're invulnerable...how is Superman later able to casually, CASUALLY, mid sentence, just reach in and rip his module out? Can't be THAT invulnerable.
I understand if Superman was struggling, or at least, putting some effort into it. Not to mention, in the scan you posted, that's a hugely amped Kryptonite -X Superman, no?

He is superman, he does shit like that regularly. He has punched through hank's body before.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/superman082a.jpg

Can't see Orion doing the same, just pages before that all out Eradicator couldn't much to hank.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777832/lastsonvscyborg_1.JPG.html
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No, its from Trial of Superman which was long after Kryptonite-X story.

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So.....either Superman was talking crap (i.e. for a reporter, he has no idea what the word 'invulnerable' means) OR it was hyperbole?

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Eradicator and his BS lol. Kryptonite passing through him translated into repowering Superman. Hm. Does kryptonite weaken Hank? I always wondered about that. And this question has nothing to do with this fight/thread. I never quite got it. So like...I just assumed the kryptonite was weakening Hank, and Superman getting the sudden urge/powerup/plot made him capable of doing the shit he did before the K starte effin' up too.

Meh.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

On if Orion can punch through Cy, maybe, but his "central node" thing was just bullshit. That contradicts everything about Cy before.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Eradicator and his BS lol. Kryptonite passing through him translated into repowering Superman. Hm. Does kryptonite weaken Hank? I always wondered about that. And this question has nothing to do with this fight/thread. I never quite got it. So like...I just assumed the kryptonite was weakening Hank, and Superman getting the sudden urge/powerup/plot made him capable of doing the shit he did before the K starte effin' up too.
Meh.

Eradicator is a powerful matter and energy manipulator. Him "filtering" it or "altering" it or whatever so it powered and re-energized Superman isn't really out of the realm of possibility if he's changing the energy(whether the radiation directly or transmuting the Kryptonite matter).

And I have no idea if they've touched on Kryptonite effecting Hank or not. Logically it would since his biological parts are just a clone of Superman, but I can't remember them ever actually going there. I haven't read all his appearances, but I think I've read a good chunk of them.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So.....either Superman was talking crap (i.e. for a reporter, he has no idea what the word 'invulnerable' means) OR it was hyperbole?

Does it matter? You asked if he is as durable as Byrne Superman and I posted proof by Superman's own words.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Eradicator and his BS lol. Kryptonite passing through him translated into repowering Superman. Hm. Does kryptonite weaken Hank? I always wondered about that. And this question has nothing to do with this fight/thread. I never quite got it. So like...I just assumed the kryptonite was weakening Hank, and Superman getting the sudden urge/powerup/plot made him capable of doing the shit he did before the K starte effin' up too.
Meh.

It started weakening his biological parts but Superman punched through his metal side.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Does it matter? You asked if he is as durable as Byrne Superman and I posted proof by Superman's own words.
It started weakening his biological parts but Superman punched through his metal side.

Yes, it does, because all you've posted is proof that Superman doesn't know what the word invulnerable means.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, it does, because all you've posted is proof that Superman doesn't know what the word invulnerable means.

Or.....the word is relative. huhu

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Lol. So Henshaw USED to be 'invulnerable', but now that he had a new body (so more recent depictions), this new body is more....vulnerable?

After all, he is constantly building new bodies dependent on the materials at hand.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, it does, because all you've posted is proof that Superman doesn't know what the word invulnerable means.

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What?

Do YOU know what invulnerable means?

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Thought I'd point-out in COUNTDOWN when Orion rips-out Darkseid's heart, he previously brought-up the whole son will kill the father thing, and said Darkseid's own heart was "fire-pit enough to fulfill the prophecy!!" It could be Orin talking shit, but looked to me like it was Orion accomplishing it because he was destined to kill Darkseid. Whether he was amped(he was stalemating Darksied in a strength lock) due to something related to the prophecy or it was similar to Drax ripping-out Thanos' heart, it just doesn't feel like that would apply to a fight with anybody BUT Darkseid.