Originally posted by abhilegend
I disagree that Namor is a high meta. His strength is nothing to sneeze at.
See, you can think Namor isn't high meta, and that's fine (I tend to think he absolutely is HM, high showings and all). Thinking he's a tier up isn't without reason. There's a defense to be made there. But putting him up against yer boy Big Blue is still laughable. And considering the respect you have for Superman, that you'd throw Namor into the fray here and think he could do anything speaks volumes.
So needless to say, you're at least a couple standard deviations off the collective bell curve of Namor opinions. I just didn't realize how far you were until this thread.
Originally posted by Digi
See, you can think Namor isn't high meta, and that's fine (I tend to think he absolutely is HM, high showings and all). Thinking he's a tier up isn't without reason. There's a defense to be made there. But putting him up against yer boy Big Blue is still laughable. And considering the respect you have for Superman, that you'd throw Namor into the fray here and think he could do anything speaks volumes.So needless to say, you're at least a couple standard deviations off the collective bell curve of Namor opinions. I just didn't realize how far you were until this thread.
Looking at what Namor has achieved, I disagree.
Originally posted by carver9Sentry was stated to have the power of a million exploding suns. stated is not a feat, especially if it goes against what is shown on panel. We all know what strength Namor operates at. Far under planetary level. He can't even lift a mountain, which is a speck of dust compared to a planet.
Stated on panel...Namor can shake planets while fighting.
Originally posted by carver9
Looking at what Namor has achieved, I disagree.
With which part? That there's a case for > HM? Or that Abhi's off his rocker for pitting him against Superman? Or that Namor is in fact HM? I said several things in that post. I have a guess, but clarity is appreciated.
> high meta or not, though, he doesn't belong here.
Originally posted by Digi
See, you can think Namor isn't high meta, and that's fine (I tend to think he absolutely is HM, high showings and all). Thinking he's a tier up isn't without reason. There's a defense to be made there. But putting him up against yer boy Big Blue is still laughable. And considering the respect you have for Superman, that you'd throw Namor into the fray here and think he could do anything speaks volumes.So needless to say, you're at least a couple standard deviations off the collective bell curve of Namor opinions. I just didn't realize how far you were until this thread.
Originally posted by Digi
With which part? That there's a case for > HM? Or that Abhi's off his rocker for pitting him against Superman? Or that Namor is in fact HM? I said several things in that post. I have a guess, but clarity is appreciated.> high meta or not, though, he doesn't belong here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Just because I give Namor his due via his showing against legit top tier means I'm off my rocker? There's condescension and then there's condescension. Give me a high meta that has 12 stalemates, 2 wins and 0 losses against hulk in a slugfest for several pages under all sort of writers, 4 stalemates with hercules, 5 stalemates with Thor, has overpowered silver surfer, beaten abomination and shit like that. I pitted namor in this fight because superman rarely starts with hv against a foe and Herc/Namor combo can be problematic in a slugfest for him.
Wolverine. sneer
Colossus, Iron Man, etc. has beaten Hulk, Thing has stalemated him. Namor got beaten by Thing and is a good match for Thing NORMALLY, affected by a host of characters far under 1000 tons of strength.
All characters are written down to fight other popular characters. If you are a strongman in comics (primary power) and you are fighting another strongman this would result in a stalemate or a decent showing almost everytime in a comic. Namor has over 50 years of comic history. He is a strongman, just like Thing is, just like Colossus is. He's bound to have some showings against other strongman regardless of the difference in strength.
Lastly, who Namor matched against is irrelevant. When he fought those guys they didn't even have mountain lifting strength. Superman has planetary strength. This is a huge difference.
Colossus has an impressive list of beating or stalemating top tiers for a long battle (like Gladiator). Thing has some good feats too. Namor is around their level. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.
Namor and Thing have fought countless times. They are very evenly matched with Namor being only slightly superior. Namor has fought Iron Man physically (h2h) and they are almost equally matched.
I disagree that a stalemate is where you don't lose in a comic. The fight can stop early. That doesn't mean a stalemate. Trading blows and then the fight stops is not a stalemate. We all know that in a slugfest Hercules would beat Namor 10/10, Hulk would beat Namor 10/10, Thor would beat Namor 10/10 or any top tier will beat Namor 10/10. This is common sense. As far as Superman goes we are talking about Namor at a tens of thousands of tons (at his best) against someone with planetary power. You do not want to know what kind of difference this is.
Taking averages then
IMO, Namor operates at around 500-1000 tons on average showings while Superman is clearly above mountain lifting levels (while holding back to not kill).
P.S. I don't remember Namor beating Hulk by ko twice in a canon comic. I remember once in the water though. Back then Hulk wasn't even operating at mountain lifting strength on average.