The Batman and Spider-Man swap cities. Who fares better against the other'senemies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavAEce-CZ0

Then theres this. Like I said until Doom summouned the mindless ones it was a fight. Spiderwoman was the one that got them out of it not Sentry. Also you're not helping yourself Rage Doom was scared to kill Ares because Zeus would come after him and Ares was on Osborns side.

I don't have time to watch the whole video and maybe I'm wrong but it seems to show a lot of what I remembered.

EDIT: I can't quite remember but Spider woman might have been a skrull however skrulls tend to be inferior copies of superheroes/heroines they imitate.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I cant remember the mighty Avengers line up...their only big gun was Bob right? Same with DA? Cabal is a whole other thing entirely

Why are you just focusing on the DA? I have stated before Norman could have anrmy of supervillains or even superheroes to work for him. There are literially 1000s of characters to choose from.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Being a queen doesn't make her better than the real Jessica.

Natasha literally questioned her and pointed out that the Skrull Queen reached levels FAR beyond what the real Jessica was ever capable of, and that it made no sense, hence her suspicion.

So clearly she can.

Originally posted by Deadline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavAEce-CZ0

Then theres this. Like I said until Doom summouned the mindless ones it was a fight. Spiderwoman was the one that got them out of it not Sentry. Also you're not helping yourself Rage Doom was scared to kill Ares because Zeus would come after him and Ares was on Osborns side.

I don't have time to watch the whole video and maybe I'm wrong but it seems to show a lot of what I remembered.

EDIT: I can't quite remember but Spider woman might have been a skrull however skrulls tend to be inferior copies of superheroes/heroines they imitate.

I posted the comic links.

Like I said, Ares was potentially the only one who could beat Doom, or at least, not have Doom kill him due to Zeus, but that's beside the point. Sentry was the only reason Doom even tolerated Osborn breathing. This was made abundantly clear multiple times. Sentry was the reason even Tony Stark was able to bring in Doom, despite having the whole Shield Army, and a noticeably more powerful Avenger's line up behind his back.

Why are you disagreeing with this? What is the point? It's not something that is debatable. It's so blatantly obvious, it just makes you look silly.

P.S. Like the comic pointed out (Check #12 in my last post), it was a Skrull, who was actually much more powerful than the real Jessica. Skrulls are far superior to their counterparts up until you hit like Ms. Marvel post upgrade levels. Before then, their augmentation and super skrull program can be a real pain in the ass. That's my consensus from Secret War.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I posted the comic links.

Rage didn't I just till you've I read them? Are you trying to be irritating?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Like I said, Ares was potentially the only one who could beat Doom, or at least, not have Doom kill him due to Zeus, but that's beside the point.

LOL that's not beside the point. You've just shot yourself in the foot so that means that anybody going up against Norman is potentially fighting Zeus as well. The amount of lack of self awarness is incredible.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Sentry was the only reason Doom even tolerated Osborn breathing. This was made abundantly clear multiple times. Like, it was literally outright stated.

Why are you disagreeing with this? What is the point? It's not something that is debatable. It's so blatantly obvious, it just makes you look silly.

You haven't proven it though and haven't made anything clear. LOL you even mentioned earlier on Doom was scared of Ares! facepalmYou know Ares is on Norman's side right? My argument is that Norman can be a threat without The Sentry and mentioned issues were The Mighty Avengers raided Latveria. You stated that Sentry did all the heavy lifting. You're WRONG. Heres youtube video that show the issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_-FCNtIQeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavAEce-CZ0

Clearly the whole team was kicking butt and the point is that Norman can obvioulsy assemble a team that is comparable to that team in power. FYI not arguing that Sentry wasn't the most powerful member.

No you look silly when you misrespresent what somebody says and then say that their argument is dumb and then shoot yourself in the foot.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

P.S. Like the comic pointed out (Check #12 in my last post), it was a Skrull, who was actually much more powerful than the real Jessica. Skrulls are far superior to their counterparts up until you hit like Ms. Marvel post upgrade levels. Before then, their augmentation and super skrull program can be a real pain in the ass. That's my consensus from Secret War.

Which doesnt change anything because Norman can still recruit somebody as powerful as she was. I think Wolverine easily fought her. She might have been far more powerful than Jessica but she wasn't that powerful in the grand scheme of things, y'know like high-herald. Cosmic Cube? Do I need to elaborate? Probably.

Originally posted by Deadline
Why are you just focusing on the DA? I have stated before Norman could have anrmy of supervillains or even superheroes to work for him. There are literially 1000s of characters to choose from.

I wasn't even making an argument. I was asking a question. You're too invested in this, maybe you should debate one person at a time. Youre not looking so good out there champ.

So I'm not seeing what the general consensus of GG vs BM will be

How would the bat fair against Ock? Lizard? Black Cat? Sandman? Jackal? Morlun?

Neither would either roll over nor get rolled over by the other ones villains. Both woul probably adapt.

Spider-Man's villains are more powerful on the average while Batman's are smarter.

Batman could actually handle a lot of Spidey's rogues fine. Sandman and Venom have weaknesses, plus Freeze guns for them or Hydro-Man, the Goblin's are nothing he can't handle. For the threats he can't cheese, he would just break out the Justice Buster armors.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
So I'm not seeing what the general consensus of GG vs BM will be

How would the bat fair against Ock? Lizard? Black Cat? Sandman? Jackal? Morlun?

1. Gas spamming/sonics/anything the arms can't block. Freeze gun in a pinch.

2. Gas, trancs, anti-mutagen serum.

3. Normal tactics.

4. A super soaker.

5. Sonics.

6. Phantom Zone Projector.

Yeah...power isn't something that is insurmountable for Batman. This is the guy who has gear and plans to fight the Justice League, after all, who all have power in spades.

You might call it PIS, but this leads me to my next point.....

Intelligence in comics is often synonymous with PIS. Celestials attacking Reed? Well, he just so happens to have a Celestial buster in his closet, just sitting there. Problem is, whilst Batman can cross the gap in power with his intelligence, it's the opposite for Spidey. Yes, he's intelligent on his own, not denying that. But Riddler hacks Motherboxes on the fly, Bane outpreps Batman, Joker outpreps Luthor...

In short, in comics, intelligence is more of a deciding factor than power, at this level.

So your argument is that intelligent characters are lowkey reality warpers? That idea totally sucks but it's more accurate than it should be.

Lol that's an interesting analogy

consider the overpowered threats batman handled throughout history when he was with team
I don't think spider-man's villains would be problem at all

spidey on the other hand...I don't think he can handle joker, joker makes norman osbourne look like bush league

Spider-man vs Etrigan The Demon... Could be a Fun Fight. Puns vs Rhymes.

Originally posted by Bentley
So your argument is that intelligent characters are lowkey reality warpers? That idea totally sucks but it's more accurate than it should be.

Basically.

Oh, he's fighting the JL? Here's a suit he's been developing in secret, that no one has alluded to before and never will again. Fighting WW? Here's a Lasso of Lies that somehow exists. Prometheus is fighting Supergirl? Literal magic bullets. Sandman suddenly has this `Master molecule` that Peter could take advantage of.

You can almost hear the magical sounds in the background as they ping into existence.

And notice he always has just barely enough tech magic to win, but not stomp.

Slade has an Ikon suit even Superman can't penetrate? He'll just whip up some gloves that sap the shield. And then dance around unable to hit someone he knew was faster then him.

Logically, he should be able to easily develop counter measures for Bane's venom, Scarecrow's gas, Killer Croc's animalism. Doesn't happen.

Originally posted by MrMind
consider the overpowered threats batman handled throughout history when he was with team
I don't think spider-man's villains would be problem at all

spidey on the other hand...I don't think he can handle joker, joker makes norman osbourne look like bush league

Joker just outpreped and outsmarted Luthor for the second time. That's far and above anything any Spidey villain has done. 👆

It's moronic shit like this why I don't even bother posting in this thread.

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