Minato or Itachi: discussion thread
Now that a lot of both character's stories are known, this thread is to ascertain which of the two ninja are superior (as they are parallels) overall as well as in individual aspects.
Stuff like:
On field/Long term strategist:
Battle power (defense/attack/jutsu):
Vs one another:
Overall effectiveness in the manga:
On field/Long term strategist:
Minato: 10/10
Itachi: 7/10
1. Only Madara himself can claim to be a better long term strategist. If Naruto comes back and defeats Madara, Minato wins and then he takes the crown as the best long term strategist.
Battle power (defense/attack/jutsu):
Minato: 7/10
Itachi: 9/10
This probably goes to Minato as he could wipe out entire platoons of ninjas in the blink of an eye (hence, his nickname). This rating does not capture the utility of their battle power. Itachi has more raw destructive power so he wins.
Vs one another:
Minato 9/10 times.
Minato wins a 1 v 1 with Itachi 9 out of 10 times.
Overall effectiveness in the manga:
Minato: 9/10
Itachi: 8/10
Minato is one of the most effective ninja: in the top 5, easily.
Itachi is relegated to a second class of top ninja on overall effectiveness.
dadudemon has no clue what the **** he's talking about.
The Uchiha have always been the best long-term strategists there are. Minato is childish, immature, and overall ignorant, just like Naruto. Kakashi is probably a better strategist. Minato is better at just spamming Yellow flash and raping everyone. Itachi planned to revive himself 6 months after he died, 6 months before he even died. He planned things so perfectly that he was single-handedly able to get rid of Nagato, save Naruto and Killer Bee from certain death, remove Edo Tensei from the battlefield, and kill Kabuto. Itachi was stated by the Third to be on the strategic and intellectual level of even the most skilled Kage by the time he was seven, before he even had Sharingan.
What has Minato accomplished in the manga that comes even close to Itachi? Itachi was one of the main focus points of the series for about 400 chapters.
Itachi doesn't have more destructive power, but he is far more deadly. While Minato can blow up mountains with Biju bombs and Super massive Rasengans, Itachi can seal anyone permanently with an un-dodgeable stab, vaporize nearly anyone with a black flame that he can control perfectly that comes from his eyes and can never be put out by anyone but him(and even burns under water), and has Genjutsu that can be activated on dozens of people from continents away.
In a battle, Itachi wins 9 times out of 10, not Minato, LOL. Itachi could use a simple finger Genjutsu to instantly win. I'm not saying that would be enough to kill Minato, but it would give him a window to land Amaterasu or a Totsuka blade stab, which definitely would. Itachi can use Genjutsu that go unnoticed and can't be overcome by even Genjutsu experts like Sasuke, Kurenai, Kakashi, etc. Kurenai couldn't even overcome his base Genjutsu that he activated without any hand-signs. Minato would get instantly pulled into a Genjutsu and be unable to react to Itachi vaporizing him. To beat Itachi in a serious 1 v 1 fight, you need to be better at Genjutsu than him, as well as stronger, and MUCH faster, and hopefully a Sharingan superior to his to go with it. Otherwise you get tagged by his hax abilities that give him an insta-win. The only ones who fight that description are Jyuubito, Hashirama and Madara, as well as possibly Obito and current EMS Sasuke, mostly characters that would easily SHIT on Minato AND Naruto at the same time.
While Minato IS better at taking care of entire army's than Itachi, Itachi is better at one on one fights, and taking care of platoons and squads with single attacks. Itachi would have been the most powerful character if he wasn't dying since the pre-timeskip introduced him.
Itachi is superior all around. It might as well be comparing Madara to Naruto. 👆
SSJGGogeta has no idea what the **** he's talking about.
The Uzumaki have always been the best long-term strategists there are. Minato is handsome, mature, and overall the most intelligent shinobi to have lived in Konoha, just like the Third Hokage. Kakashi is not a better strategist than Minato but Kakashi certainly does try to be like Minato. Minato is better at just about anything which is why he rapes everyone. Itachi did not try to revive himself 6 months after he died. He planned things so horribly that that he almost lost everything that he worked for: 2 decades of work almost down the drain if it were not for Naruto pulling shit out of his ass left and right (Itachi would like to thank Naruto with BJs). Itachi was not stated by the Third to be on the strategic and intellectual level of even the most skilled Kage by the time he was seven and he did not state this before Itachi had Sharingan. Minato, on the other hand, had a strategic plan that spanned 16+ years. This was a plan that he formulated in mere seconds. Seconds. Minato's plan would have been an even greater success had Naruto not been such a ****ing moron and a little shit. Funny that Naruto pretty much single-handedly saved all of Itachi's plans whereas Minato's plans were almost ****ed up by the same character.
What has Itachi accomplished in the manga that comes even close to Minato? Minato was one of the main focal points of the series for about 401 chapters. Itachi's biggest accomplishment is genocide of an unsuspecting clan: wow, real brave and chivalrous of you to save just one person from your clan, douchebag.
Itachi does have more destructive power, but he is far less deadly (let's not overlook how very limited that extreme destructive power is...sometimes, making large craters very slowly with a spirit warrior is not as effective as a precise stab to the hearts of an entire platoon of ninjas). Minato cannot blow up mountains with Biju bombs (because he is not a Jinchuriki nor can he fire biju bombs), while Itachi sealed Orochimaru with a stab that could be easily dodged by anyone not anchored to a giant hydra...oh, and let's not forget that the seal was not permanent because Orochimaru is running around, right now. Itachi also has amaterasu which can nearly vaporize nearly anyone with a black flame that he can manipulate semi-decently (but Sasuke showed he was better at it than Itachi) that comes from his eyes and cannot be put out until unless you're Sasuke and then you can put it out. Also, this amaterasu can burn underwater like under water matches and road flares which makes it amazing, for some reason. Also, Itachi has a Genjutsu that can be activated on dozens of people from continents away. But let's not forget that Itachi's best combination is his Yata Mirror Shield and Sword of Totsuka which pretty much makes him invincible.
In a battle, Itachi loses 9 times out of 10, not Minato, LOL. Itachi could stupidly use a simple finger Genjutsu but still instantly lose. I'm not saying that Itachi would be stupid enough to try the single-finger gentjutsu against Minato which would be enough to lose to Minato, but it would give him a fail window to miss using Amaterasu or a Totsuka blade stab, which definitely would miss. Here's why it would miss: Sasuke couldn't hit the Raikage with Amaterasu even at near point blank range and Sasuke was better at using Amaterasu than Itachi (and let's not forget that Minato is faster than even the Raikage's fastest attack...lol, Itachi stands no chance). Itachi can use Genjutsu that goes unnoticed to most ninja but, unfortunately, Minato is not "most ninja". Minato would not get instantly pulled into a Genjutsu and Minato would definitely be unable to react to Itachi attempting to vaporize him. To beat Minato in a serious 1 v 1 fight, you need to be faster than Minato, as well as stronger, and hopefully a massive amount of luck to go with it. Otherwise you get tagged by Minato's hax abilities that give him an insta-win. The only ones who fight that description are Jyuubito and Sage Madara: mostly characters that way beyond all other shinobi due to being characters that would easily SHIT on Minato AND Naruto at the same time.
Minato IS better at taking care of entire army's than Itachi, and Minato is better at one on one fights: Minato's greatest strengths are 1 v 1 fights. The bottom line is, Itachi still would not have been the most powerful character even if he wasn't dying since the pre-timeskip introduced him. Itachi was always Hax but he just does not have what it takes to hang with the top 5 most powerful characters in Naruto.
Minato is superior all around. It might as well be comparing Naruto to Kiba. ha
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Originally posted by dadudemon
SSJGGogeta has no idea what the **** he's talking about.The Uzumaki have always been the best long-term strategists there are. Minato is handsome, mature, and overall the most intelligent shinobi to have lived in Konoha, just like the Third Hokage. Kakashi is not a better strategist than Minato but Kakashi certainly does try to be like Minato. Minato is better at just about anything which is why he rapes everyone. Itachi did not try to revive himself 6 months after he died. He planned things so horribly that that he almost lost everything that he worked for: 2 decades of work almost down the drain if it were not for Naruto pulling shit out of his ass left and right (Itachi would like to thank Naruto with BJs). Itachi was not stated by the Third to be on the strategic and intellectual level of even the most skilled Kage by the time he was seven and he did not state this before Itachi had Sharingan. Minato, on the other hand, had a strategic plan that spanned 16+ years. This was a plan that he formulated in mere seconds. Seconds. Minato's plan would have been an even greater success had Naruto not been such a ****ing moron and a little shit. Funny that Naruto pretty much single-handedly saved all of Itachi's plans whereas Minato's plans were almost ****ed up by the same character.
What has Itachi accomplished in the manga that comes even close to Minato? Minato was one of the main focal points of the series for about 401 chapters. Itachi's biggest accomplishment is genocide of an unsuspecting clan: wow, real brave and chivalrous of you to save just one person from your clan, douchebag.
Itachi does have more destructive power, but he is far less deadly (let's not overlook how very limited that extreme destructive power is...sometimes, making large craters very slowly with a spirit warrior is not as effective as a precise stab to the hearts of an entire platoon of ninjas). Minato cannot blow up mountains with Biju bombs (because he is not a Jinchuriki nor can he fire biju bombs), while Itachi sealed Orochimaru with a stab that could be easily dodged by anyone not anchored to a giant hydra...oh, and let's not forget that the seal was not permanent because Orochimaru is running around, right now. Itachi also has amaterasu which can nearly vaporize nearly anyone with a black flame that he can manipulate semi-decently (but Sasuke showed he was better at it than Itachi) that comes from his eyes and cannot be put out until unless you're Sasuke and then you can put it out. Also, this amaterasu can burn underwater like under water matches and road flares which makes it amazing, for some reason. Also, Itachi has a Genjutsu that can be activated on dozens of people from continents away. But let's not forget that Itachi's best combination is his Yata Mirror Shield and Sword of Totsuka which pretty much makes him invincible.
In a battle, Itachi loses 9 times out of 10, not Minato, LOL. Itachi could stupidly use a simple finger Genjutsu but still instantly lose. I'm not saying that Itachi would be stupid enough to try the single-finger gentjutsu against Minato which would be enough to lose to Minato, but it would give him a fail window to miss using Amaterasu or a Totsuka blade stab, which definitely would miss. Here's why it would miss: Sasuke couldn't hit the Raikage with Amaterasu even at near point blank range and Sasuke was better at using Amaterasu than Itachi (and let's not forget that Minato is faster than even the Raikage's fastest attack...lol, Itachi stands no chance). Itachi can use Genjutsu that goes unnoticed to most ninja but, unfortunately, Minato is not "most ninja". Minato would not get instantly pulled into a Genjutsu and Minato would definitely be unable to react to Itachi attempting to vaporize him. To beat Minato in a serious 1 v 1 fight, you need to be faster than Minato, as well as stronger, and hopefully a massive amount of luck to go with it. Otherwise you get tagged by Minato's hax abilities that give him an insta-win. The only ones who fight that description are Jyuubito and Sage Madara: mostly characters that way beyond all other shinobi due to being characters that would easily SHIT on Minato AND Naruto at the same time.
Minato IS better at taking care of entire army's than Itachi, and Minato is better at one on one fights: Minato's greatest strengths are 1 v 1 fights. The bottom line is, Itachi still would not have been the most powerful character even if he wasn't dying since the pre-timeskip introduced him. Itachi was always Hax but he just does not have what it takes to hang with the top 5 most powerful characters in Naruto.
Minato is superior all around. It might as well be comparing Naruto to Kiba. ha
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Obvious troll is obvious. Judging from that post, you don't even read Naruto. The Third Hokage is not an Uzumaki. Itachi's plan worked perfectly according to his grand-scale. Minato sealed his Chakra in Naruto to appear when the fox got out of control. That is not a plan, that's a single jutsu that has nothing to do with strategy. 👆
You literally are just stating everything that I did, but with different characters subbed in. Your entire post is false, and therefor I will no longer continue to converse with a childish, immature, idiotic, single-chromosomal troglodyte that makes random shit up in an argument as a futile attempt to force me to rage. You're a failed, pitiful sock of DP, and you should feel ashamed of yourself for such. 👆
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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Obvious troll is obvious. Judging from that post, you don't even read Naruto.
Derp. K. 🙂
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The Third Hokage is not an Uzumaki.
Awww. You missed my point. How cute but too bad. 🙁
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Itachi's plan worked perfectly according to his grand-scale.
You'll have to do better than "nuh-uuuhh!" That's too derpy.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Minato sealed his Chakra in Naruto to appear when the fox got out of control. That is not a plan, that's a single jutsu that has nothing to do with strategy. 👆
lol
"Planning ahead your chess game 45,000 moves is not strategy! I have derpflakes for breakfast!"
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You literally are just stating everything that I did, but with different characters subbed in.
No I didn't. If you read and comprehended it (you clearly didn't), you'll find my post is far more clever than that. 😄
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Your entire post is false, and therefor I will no longer continue to converse with a childish, immature, idiotic, single-chromosomal troglodyte that makes random shit up in an argument as a futile attempt to force me to rage.
While you're at the concession stands, could you get me a hotdog, Mr. Pibb, and a soft pretzel? 😄 And don't spit in my Mr. Pibb. If you do, I'll still drink it.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're a failed, pitiful sock of DP, and you should feel ashamed of yourself for such. 👆
I don't know who DP (Demonic Phoenix?) is but you clearly don't know me. I am far too arrogant to create a sock account. You can clearly see my join date was 2005. I'm a pretty old member.
And why is it that I do not feel ashamed even slightly? Your concession and tantrum made me laugh. 😄
As far as planning goes Minato wins due to the fact that his ideas did not backfire and result in Naruto becoming a psychopath for X amount of chapters.
Itachi does have the edge in fire power though I'm not sure who's win in a fight considering Minato should be fast enough to avoid the basic MS techs but that Tosuka Blade could be a problem: then again FTG v2 kind of fixes that.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Derp. K. 🙂Awww. You missed my point. How cute but too bad. 🙁
You'll have to do better than "nuh-uuuhh!" That's too derpy.
lol
"Planning ahead your chess game 45,000 moves is not strategy! I have derpflakes for breakfast!"
No I didn't. If you read and comprehended it (you clearly didn't), you'll find my post is far more clever than that. 😄
While you're at the concession stands, could you get me a hotdog, Mr. Pibb, and a soft pretzel? 😄 And don't spit in my Mr. Pibb. If you do, I'll still drink it.
I don't know who DP (Demonic Phoenix?) is but you clearly don't know me. I am far too arrogant to create a sock account. You can clearly see my join date was 2005. I'm a pretty old member.
And why is it that I do not feel ashamed even slightly? Your concession and tantrum made me laugh. 😄
You had no point. You literally ONLY posted half-truths and your own personal opinion.
Planning that you'll have a chess game is not a strategy. Itachi was the one planning hundreds of steps ahead. Minato simply laid his and Kushina's chakra's into Naruto so they could see him when he was grown up, which Minato knew would happen most likely because he had the common sense to know the fox would eventually break out of the seal. Itachi however, accounted for Naruto needing Shisui's Mangekyo, Sasuke killing him, Tobi trying to control Sasuke, Kabuto reviving him with edo tensei, him meeting Naruto while in edo tensei so he could regain control of his body, and fighting Kabuto to stop edo tensei, thus helping the allied forces out greatly all while still persuading Sasuke to join the Leaf again. He planned this all out in minutes.
Minato was not even PART of the series for a few hundred chapters. He was mentioned ONCE in the beginning and then never again until Naruto started learning the rasengan. Even then, he wasn't shown again until the Kakashi chronicles, about 400 chapters in. Main focal point my ass. Itachi was introduced in like chapter 80-100 and stayed Sasuke's meaning for revenge indefinitely until they fought and Sasuke killed Itachi.
Excuse me? You don't DESERVE anything other than a comment completely shutting yours down, or a "nuh-uhh", because you still have yet to use one factual piece of evidence to support your claim that Minato is better.
I have posted PROOF, and all you've done is say Minato's better because you think he's handsome. 👆
Again, Itachi was at Minato's level of strategy when he was SEVEN, as stated by the third hokage. 👆
Not to mention Minato was BARELY able to survive against Raikage's speed, and Itachi dominated Nagato, who soloed two people FASTER than Raikage. 👆
Itachi would SHIT on Minato, because all he could do is teleport constantly and Itachi would still be able to predict it and tag him with the totsuka blade. 👆
You're obviously a pitiful troll, who's not creative or intelligent enough to come up with a viable response, so if it's not too much of a bother, I think I'll just say I won this one.
Unless of course you want to actually post something other than your fangirl rants to suggest Minato to be better than Itachi. So, go ahead dear, run along now, this is a discussion best left to the adults. 😉
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Not to mention Minato was BARELY able to survive against Raikage's speed,
Minato was running around him and Killer B with ease. At no point was he in danger, lmao.
and Itachi dominated Nagato,
And Itachi didn't "dominate" Nagato. He just used Totsuka on him after Naruto and B helped him take down Chibaku Tensei. At no point did Itachi fight Nagato one-on-one so there was no "domination" at any point. That sentene just caught my eye. Didn't read the rest of your post, but clearly you don't read Naruto.
Itachi is > Minato though. No doubt about that.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
YouTube videoMinato was running around him and Killer B with ease. At no point was he in danger, lmao.
And Itachi didn't "dominate" Nagato. He just used Totsuka on him after Naruto and B helped him take down Chibaku Tensei. At no point did Itachi fight Nagato one-on-one so there was no "domination" at any point. That sentene just caught my eye. Didn't read the rest of your post, but clearly you don't read Naruto.
Itachi is > Minato though. No doubt about that.
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That's why I ignored his post. I'm too awesome to respond to shit-posts. 😄
You'll get nothing but shit replies so I think you just wasted your time.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
YouTube videoMinato was running around him and Killer B with ease. At no point was he in danger, lmao.
And Itachi didn't "dominate" Nagato. He just used Totsuka on him after Naruto and B helped him take down Chibaku Tensei. At no point did Itachi fight Nagato one-on-one so there was no "domination" at any point. That sentene just caught my eye. Didn't read the rest of your post, but clearly you don't read Naruto.
Itachi is > Minato though. No doubt about that.
I don't consider spamming Yellow Flash jutsu "running around someone with ease.". Plus, all he did was port away from Raikage's initial attack, and port back, only to have his actual speed bested by Killer Bee. 👆
Again, without teleportation, he and Naruto aren't that fast.
Itachi blinded Nagato's summons in a second with kunai, stopped him from killing Naruto and Bee. He then proceeded to assist in destroying Chibaku tensei before killing Nagato with one attack. If that's not domination, then I don't know what is.
Itachi still shat on Nagato, and saved Naruto AND Killer Bee in the process, and then killed him with a stab that was too fast for Nagato to react to, the Nagato that easily blitzed Killer Bee, who was able to counter Minato's speed, making Itachi easily faster than Minato. The only defense he would have is being lucky enough to teleport before Itachi could rape him. Even that though wouldn't save him from Itachi's Genjutsu that would instantly capture him and give Itachi the opening to shotgun him with amaterasu.
Again, for the last time, Itachi's faster than Minato. Minato can simply move at light speed for brief teleportation. Itachi solos. 👆
Originally posted by Bentley
Sage Mode should make Minato the fastest non-Madara character in the series.
Why's that? Minato was bested by Killer Bee's tentacles speed, which was soloed with Naruto by Nagato. Without Hiraishin, Raikage is MUCH faster than Minato, and Itachi is MUCH faster than the tag team of Raikage(because Killer Bee is faster and stronger than Raikage) and Naruto, making Itachi leagues above Minato without Hiraishin. That along with Itachi's superior intellect, and his sharingan to predict the Minato's teleportation gives Itachi a counter to anything Minato could dish out. The only possible chance he would have is the reaper death seal, which could theoretically still be blocked by the Yata mirror, or averted by sealing Minato with the Totsuka blade, which is much faster than the Reapers arm.
Again, Naruto and Minato are both actually very slow(at least compared to other Naruto characters) without teleportation. Just like how Itachi could easily kill Minato with a single Amaterasu/Totsuka blade stab by distracting him momentarily with Genjutsu. That's exactly why it was said that in a one on one fight, only someone else with Mangekyo sharingan could beat Itachi, because otherwise he can just crap on them with Genjutsu and Amaterasu.
One last thing, Sage mode doesn't make you that much, if any faster at all. It was stated by Naruto that it only enhances your instincts and senses so you can react to things much faster and better, just like sharingan, which is why he used it instead of chakra mode against the third Raikage. 👆
Sage mode doesn't change anything for Minato, other than giving him a better reaction speed, which still doesn't save him from Genjutsu.