I'd go with itachi in all of them. Itachi CLEARLY has better strategy and sharingan, especially Susanoo+genjutsu+exploding clones+Itachi's speed makes him nigh impossible to beat one on one.
And while minato needlessly killed himself (Kushina could've taken the Kyuubi, let's be honest), Itachi did so with style and influenced everything about Sasuke, held Akatsuki back from the Leaf, held Danzo back, AND took down Edo Tensei and partially JnJ'd Sasuke while JnJ'ing Kabuto on the side.
Strategy(Long Term/Battlefield):
Minato's battle style requires him to be strategic and plan ahead. Itachi's does not. And in the Long Term the results speak for themselves with Naruto saving the world and Sasuke almost becoming a horrid creature that would kill thousands were it not for Hashirama.
Battle Power(Defensive/Attack/Jutsu)
Itachi wins defense. He also has more attacks than Minato but admittedly a Kyuubi Powered Rasengan is stronger than anything in Itachi's moveset in terms of sheer damage. Overall it goes to Itachi since in addition to powerful ninjutsu he is to date still most likely the strongest genjutsu in the manga rivaled only by the 2nd Mizukage.
Vs one another
Don't care~
Overall Effectiveness
Minato ensured Naruto would have tons of aid in getting the Kyuubi's power which in turn saved the world multiple times by now. His biggest fault is failing to stop Obito with frankly is a fault that Itachi shares since given how Izanami works I have no idea why Itachi left him to his own devices.
Instead Itachi messed up with Sasuke and acknowledges this. It was only through sheer luck that he managed to fix some of his mistakes and take out the Edo Tensei but by that point the majority of the ninja had been defeated. Minato meanwhile saved the army twice. 👆
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Strategy(Long Term/Battlefield):Minato's battle style requires him to be strategic and plan ahead. Itachi's does not. And in the Long Term the results speak for themselves with Naruto saving the world and Sasuke almost becoming a horrid creature that would kill thousands were it not for Hashirama.
Battle Power(Defensive/Attack/Jutsu)
Itachi wins defense. He also has more attacks than Minato but admittedly a Kyuubi Powered Rasengan is stronger than anything in Itachi's moveset in terms of sheer damage. Overall it goes to Itachi since in addition to powerful ninjutsu he is to date still most likely the strongest genjutsu in the manga rivaled only by the 2nd Mizukage.
Vs one another
Don't care~
Overall Effectiveness
Minato ensured Naruto would have tons of aid in getting the Kyuubi's power which in turn saved the world multiple times by now. His biggest fault is failing to stop Obito with frankly is a fault that Itachi shares since given how Izanami works I have no idea why Itachi left him to his own devices.Instead Itachi messed up with Sasuke and acknowledges this. It was only through sheer luck that he managed to fix some of his mistakes and take out the Edo Tensei but by that point the majority of the ninja had been defeated. Minato meanwhile saved the army twice. 👆
Not really. Minato can just throw a bunch of kunai all over the place, and he's all set. Itachi doesn't need prep either, but he's still a better strategist overall. It's been stated many times the Uchiha were the best strategists in Konoha, which is partially why they were trusted with the police force.
I would give strategist to either Itachi or them both, because Itachi's much smarter than Minato, and has been since he was seven.
I have to disagree with that. Minato's attacks may have more area of effect, but Itachi's are much more deadly and more powerful. You pit a Chakra mode Rasengan to a stab with the Totsuka blade, and the blade wins nine times out of ten. The only thing Minato has that's stronger than Itachi's attacks is a biju ball(if he can use it), which could still be argued to be counter-able by a Yasaka magatama.
Defense does definitely go to Itachi, because of the Yata mirror and Amaterasu coated Susano'o. I'd also give Itachi the Jutsu because we've seen hardly anything from Minato other than a few kinjutsu, rasengan and Hiraishin. Meanwhile, Itachi has exploding clones, a battle hardened and mature Mangekyo sharingan, UBER firestyle jutsu, Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, easily activated base genjutsu that can one-panel characters at Minato's level like Orochimaru and Deidara, great shuriken jutsu that surpass even Uchiha elites, and IIRC, some low to mid level water jutsu.
I definitely think Itachi would win in 1 v 1. He's much faster than Minato(aside from Hiraishin), stronger, and deadlier, as well as smarter and more perceptive with his Sharingan.
While that's true, Itachi also stopped a fourth great ninja war(even though it happened later on anyway), and stopped tons of people from dying all over, as well as the destruction of the leaf village. Itachi was, imo, more relevant to the manga. He sacrificed everything, including emotional attachments to save the entire fire country. Minato gave his life to protect the leaf village. Still important, but not as much as Itachi's contributions.
@ TheTyrant: It was stated that Itachi was the strongest genjutsu user in the Uchiha. However, Itachi did say that Shisui's mangekyo was a better genjutsu than any he could use. Basically a Tsukiyomi that you don't even know he's using on you.
Originally posted by Bentley
So he says that you might do sh_t replies and you respond... This?I don't want a give dadudemon credit he doesn't deserve, but you went and proved him right inmediately 😬
He said that he wouldn't reply. He still didn't disprove anything I said either. Therefor, I win. 👆
No matter how much he sugar-coats it, it's still obvious that he knows he's lost. 😉
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Not really. Minato can just throw a bunch of kunai all over the place, and he's all set. Itachi doesn't need prep either, but he's still a better strategist overall. It's been stated many times the Uchiha were the best strategists in Konoha, which is partially why they were trusted with the police force.
And yet that statement falls flat when you actually look at Itachi's fights. Sasuke, in all seriousness, uses far more strategy in his fights than Itachi ever did. The most strategy Itachi has used was working with Sasuke to break out of genjutsu, a bit of teamwork with Sasuke to momentarily inconvenience Kabuto, figuring out how to beat Chibaku Tensei, and blinding Nagato's animals.
Now this may seem like a lot but all of it involved a fight where he was getting help. Compare that to Minato carefully luring A into place so that he could hit him and then having the foresight to place a seal on Bee so he could take care of the other big threat on the field. Or when he had the forethought to give Kakashi a special kunai because he knew the area would get dangerous(had Kakashi used it earlier Obito could have been saved). Minato also shows himself capable of deducing a jutsu's weakness with just a glance as seen when Kakashi was preparing to use Chidori for the first time and Minato immediately saw the flaw in the technique while unbeknownst to Kakashi covered his attack. And in general Minato shows a tendency to always think ahead as seen when he managed to tag Tobi, placing a seal on him so he could quickly remove the Kyuubi's control. Simply put you see more of Minato's thinking ahead of time. And this isn't even counting the teamwork he demonstrates when revived in the war. Effortlessly managing to work with both Naruto and Tobirama while demonstrating his ability to think outside the box when he planned to port the plant creating the Bijuu Bombs instead of the Bombs themselves.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I would give strategist to either Itachi or them both, because Itachi's much smarter than Minato, and has been since he was seven.
Itachi is not smarter than Minato. Minato created his own techniques and mastered the FTG to a degree that surpassed even the creator. Itachi primarily used techniques that come with his eye balls. Minato had the foresight to put his and his wife's chakra in place to help Naruto master the Kyuubi. Itachi's precautions involving Sasuke failed. Minato figured out how to beat Tobi. Itachi did not. You're taking the statement that Itachi was as wise as the Hokage and applying it to intelligence.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
While that's true, Itachi also stopped a fourth great ninja war(even though it happened later on anyway), and stopped tons of people from dying all over, as well as the destruction of the leaf village. Itachi was, imo, more relevant to the manga. He sacrificed everything, including emotional attachments to save the entire fire country. Minato gave his life to protect the leaf village. Still important, but not as much as Itachi's contributions.
And the Uchiha Massacre was in part the result of the Kyuubi attack. Had Minato not stopped that there would be no Konoha or Itachi to do anything. While Itachi did in fact stop the clan it is a decision he, ultimately, regrets. He says he failed with Sasuke too. Minato in part helped make the man who would consistently save everyone while Itachi created, at best, a wild card who is not a very reliable ally.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
And yet that statement falls flat when you actually look at Itachi's fights. Sasuke, in all seriousness, uses far more strategy in his fights than Itachi ever did. The most strategy Itachi has used was working with Sasuke to break out of genjutsu, a bit of teamwork with Sasuke to momentarily inconvenience Kabuto, figuring out how to beat Chibaku Tensei, and blinding Nagato's animals.Now this may seem like a lot but all of it involved a fight where he was getting help. Compare that to Minato carefully luring A into place so that he could hit him and then having the foresight to place a seal on Bee so he could take care of the other big threat on the field. Or when he had the forethought to give Kakashi a special kunai because he knew the area would get dangerous(had Kakashi used it earlier Obito could have been saved). Minato also shows himself capable of deducing a jutsu's weakness with just a glance as seen when Kakashi was preparing to use Chidori for the first time and Minato immediately saw the flaw in the technique while unbeknownst to Kakashi covered his attack. And in general Minato shows a tendency to always think ahead as seen when he managed to tag Tobi, placing a seal on him so he could quickly remove the Kyuubi's control. Simply put you see more of Minato's thinking ahead of time. And this isn't even counting the teamwork he demonstrates when revived in the war. Effortlessly managing to work with both Naruto and Tobirama while demonstrating his ability to think outside the box when he planned to port the plant creating the Bijuu Bombs instead of the Bombs themselves.
Itachi is not smarter than Minato. Minato created his own techniques and mastered the FTG to a degree that surpassed even the creator. Itachi primarily used techniques that come with his eye balls. Minato had the foresight to put his and his wife's chakra in place to help Naruto master the Kyuubi. Itachi's precautions involving Sasuke failed. Minato figured out how to beat Tobi. Itachi did not. You're taking the statement that Itachi was as wise as the Hokage and applying it to intelligence.
And the Uchiha Massacre was in part the result of the Kyuubi attack. Had Minato not stopped that there would be no Konoha or Itachi to do anything. While Itachi did in fact stop the clan it is a decision he, ultimately, regrets. He says he failed with Sasuke too. Minato in part helped make the man who would consistently save everyone while Itachi created, at best, a wild card who is not a very reliable ally.
The only reason you can even say that is because we've never seen Itachi fight seriously, except for against Kabuto. Sasuke also uses far more strategy than Minato. He's a tactical genius, and has been shown capable of using his opponents attacks against them in nearly every fight he's been in. It is true though, that Itachi's fighting usually revolves around ass-pulls like Izanami, Susano'o, Yata mirror, Totsuka blade, Amaterasu, Yasaka magatama, etc. However, those ass-pulls are used to casually do things that no one else could. If anyone else had fought Kabuto with Sasuke, they wouldn't have been able to stop Edo tensei, and probably not even defeat him. However, Itachi was also able to formulate a fail-safe plan to stop Sasuke from destroying entire nations as well as stop the edo tensei, which would have otherwise possibly destroyed the entire ninja world.
Minato fighting A and Bee had nothing to do with strategy. All he did was spam Hiraishin after throwing a bunch of kunai around. Oh, and he used a seal to continue spamming one of his five jutsu.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
It is true though, that Itachi's fighting usually revolves around ass-pulls like Izanami, Susano'o, Yata mirror, Totsuka blade, Amaterasu, Yasaka magatama, etc. However, those ass-pulls are used to casually do things that no one else could.
That's the saddest thing about the character, at the end of the day Kishi wrote it ridding on hax 🙁
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
If anyone else had fought Kabuto with Sasuke, they wouldn't have been able to stop Edo tensei, and probably not even defeat him.
If Itachi wasn't an Edo at that fight he'd have gotten killed several times over. Maybe Jiraya with his frog jutsu would've bested Kabuto?
Originally posted by Bentley
That's the saddest thing about the character, at the end of the day Kishi wrote it ridding on hax 🙁If Itachi wasn't an Edo at that fight he'd have gotten killed several times over. Maybe Jiraya with his frog jutsu would've bested Kabuto?
Yeah, I have to agree with you on that one. Even though he's a great strategist, ninjutsu user, taijutsu user, genjutsu user and overall a very powerful ninja, his hax abilities are what make him so deadly.
Yeah, but he knew that he was an edo tensei, and didn't have to dodge or pay attention to attacks he otherwise would have. He even told Sasuke that they had to hold back at all costs so as to not kill him. That's why he sacrificed his body so many times during the fight just to protect Sasuke. He took advantage of him being an edo tensei.
Jiraiya would have probably been barely able to beat Kabuto, but he still wouldn't have been able to stop edo tensei. Then it would all have been pointless. Plus, Kabuto did have knowledge of sage mode, and how to stop it, as well as several techniques that would have been able to most likely beat Jiraiya. It would be an even fight, but ultimately Kabuto would probably still win.
Kabuto seemed to have geared himself against disabling eye jutsu (I guess he predicted a battle against Tobi?), the frog song being a sound based genjutsu could've gotten through him. It is true that if Itachi was going all out, sealing Kabuto with the sword would've been a better straight solution than Izanami.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The only reason you can even say that is because we've never seen Itachi fight seriously, except for against Kabuto.
Neat. Your argument not having enough to support it is not my problem though. If Itachi doesn't show much strategy then why assume he is strategic? 🙂
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Sasuke also uses far more strategy than Minato. He's a tactical genius, and has been shown capable of using his opponents attacks against them in nearly every fight he's been in.
Sasuke has had more fights than Minato and Itachi so naturally he's shown more strategy. However Itachi has had more fights than Minato and Minato has still shown more strategy. 🙂
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
If anyone else had fought Kabuto with Sasuke, they wouldn't have been able to stop Edo tensei, and probably not even defeat him.
Naruto, Bee, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Tobirama, Hashirama, and Minato all could have worked well with Sasuke to stop Kabuto.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
However, Itachi was also able to formulate a fail-safe plan to stop Sasuke from destroying entire nations as well as stop the edo tensei, which would have otherwise possibly destroyed the entire ninja world.
A plan that failed to do what he wanted it to do. 🙂
And also the Edo Tensei destroy the world? At the time of his defeat, only Mu, Chiyo, and Kimmimaro remained unsealed. Mu couldn't do Dust Release and while Madara was still around he was around after Itachi anyway. At that point the ninja world was not that threatened by Edo Tensei.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Minato fighting A and Bee had nothing to do with strategy. All he did was spam Hiraishin after throwing a bunch of kunai around. Oh, and he used a seal to continue spamming one of his five jutsu.
And in his fight with Temari, Shikamaru spammed one move over and over again. Does Shikamaru not use strategy? 🙂
Saying Itachi is a better planner than Minato is laughable.
Saying Itachi barely uses strategy/tactics in battle or that his strategy/tactics don't count/aren't notable as he was not alone, is equally as laughable.
Minato & Itachi aren't strategists in battle. They're tacticians. The only time either one has ever employed an actual strategy in battle was the Itachi-Sasuke fight where Itachi's strategic goal was to push Sasuke to exhaustion (along with Itachi's death). Which means Itachi's actually the better strategist. 😐
Shikamaru is prolly the only character who can claim to be an actual strategist in battle. And Kakashi, I suppose. Meh.
You both should go bury your heads in the sand for being such douchenozzles. sneer
You're playing semantics mister douchenozzle.
an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end
a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim.
Mind you your version of strategy is tenuous as best. Itachi had just as much control over his fake battle with Sasuke as he did with his Kabuto battle. The only difference was the end goal.
Now the destruction of Kanabi bridge. That was strategic. Have to be a real dashing and manly man to pull that one off. 313