Team Dc wins. More muscle in their corner.
Cap vs Batman
Superman vs Thor
WW vs Rogue
Iron Man vs GL
Manhunter vs Hulk
Aquaman vs Wolverine?
Flash vs Spiderman
Power Girl vs....Black Widow?
The even matchups are so even, they will be stalemating for a time (Cap/Bats, Thor/Supes, maybe even MM/Hulk if he doesn't job). Others are horrific stomps (Flash/Spidey, Widow/PG, GL/IM) that they can then go help the other DC members (WW/Aquaman etc).
Hell, Flash could take out Widow, Spidey, Wolverine and Cap on his lonesome. Maybe even Iron Man. Leaving the others to dogpile Hulk, Thor and Rogue.
The pool room brawl
Originally posted by tkitna
Not sure if this was done before, but what side do you think wins if a brawl does break out?DC seems stacked to me and would win for sure, but there's been some dissension towards that opinion and just wondering what everybody else thought.
mmm
Depends on how badly they want to fight and whether this is a first time encounter or if they just "know" of each other from reputation.
Based on how he's been acting recently, any sign of serious trouble has Thor transferring the whole group to Rigel 7 if talking doesn't work, probably under the direction of Captain America.
Unfortunately, that's a relatively deserted, light gravity planet in a red sun system.
The red sun environment more or less negates the power of Superman and Power Woman (or whatever Karen Starr's calling herself now in the DCnU).
Black Widow can take them out if she has nothing else to do.
Otherwise, Spider-Man simply webs up Superman, not expecting it to hold Supes, just be a distraction, but find that it does, indeed hold him.
He thinks to himself,
"Man, is this guy overrated!
What in the world has he got everyone so afraid of?"
Flash starts running, intent on blitzing his opponents.
Unfortunately, Rigel 7 is, again, a light gravity planet.
He bounds around like he's on a trampoline and can't correct for the unexpected
"lift" each step gives him before Wolverine lays him flat with a single adamantium punch.
Wolverine then starts to go after J'onnz.
"You look green and menacing, tough guy.
You in the Hulk's League, or what?
Let's find out ..."
At this point the fight can go several ways.
J'onnz has enough power and ability to turn the fight around and so does Wonder Woman. I'm unsure of what would happen with Rogue.
If she kisses Wonder Woman, the DC team is going to have a hard time of winning. If she were able to get the powerset of J'onnz, Rogue would theoretically have enough to tip the scales completely in Marvel's favor.
Unfortunately, though, she'd be overloaded by the sudden influx of simultaneous thoughts and J'onnz own psychic backlash.
Batman's debating whether it'd be wisest to go after Cap as the leader of the group first,
Black Widow as the weakest, or melt in the shadows biding his time to strike ...
Knowing of each other by reputation means another way of fighting, however. And the DC team are better at coordinating an attack, with Batman's strategy and MMs telepathic mind link (like how they usually fight).
When that happens, and they know who's who, WW mind controls Hulk to beat the hell out of Thor. Flash mops everyone else up.....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Knowing of each other by reputation means another way of fighting, however.
And the DC team are better at coordinating an attack, with Batman's strategy and MMs telepathic mind link (like how they usually fight).When that happens, and they know who's who, WW mind controls Hulk to beat the hell out of Thor.
Flash mops everyone else up.....
😠
Hey, hold it, cheater!
Since when does Wonder Woman get mind-control powers?
That is so ---! So --!
I --!
...
Ah ...
skip it.
We'll go with your little scenario.
It's not like Thor isn't used to Hulk turning on his group in battle by now.
I'm hip:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At Hulk's customary
"Raarrrggh!!!!",
Thor's response is
" *sigh* ... Verily, this time we went for 3 months before yon beast switched on us again ... "
("Voices in Hulk's mind!"😉
and Thor proceeds to cover his ears,
("But Hulk will get voices OUT of Hulk's mind!!"😉
even as the rest of the Marvels cover their ears.
The DC group, however, not knowing Hulk's habits, are unprepared for the devastating Thunderclap which immediately follows.
Superman, Power Woman, and Flash and Batman now lay insensible.
J'onnz is not quite there; his physiology is more pliant and he caught the stray thought from Hulk just before Hulk completed that action.
Diana is not quite out, but she is dazed.
Hulk is dazed, too -- the clap snapped Wonder Woman's control
(and/or J'onnz's, depending on which one you actually meant)
and also made enough noise to wake him up!
Hulk now looks angrily at Green Lantern:
"Hulk's ears hurt now Ring Man. You use ... loudphone?
Is that what you point at Hulk?
Do you make more noise now to bother Hulk ... ?" ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😠Hey, hold it, cheater!
Since when does Wonder Woman get mind-control powers?That is so ---! So --!
I --!
...
Ah ...
skip it.We'll go with your little scenario.
It's not like Thor isn't [b]used
to Hulk turning on his group in battle by now.I'm hip:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------At Hulk's customary
"Raarrrggh!!!!",Thor's response is
" *sigh* ... Verily, this time we went for 3 months before yon beast switched on us again ... "
("Voices in Hulk's mind!"😉
and Thor proceeds to cover his ears,
("But Hulk will get voices OUT of Hulk's mind!!"😉
even as the rest of the Marvels cover their ears.The DC group, however, not knowing Hulk's habits, are unprepared for the devastating Thunderclap which immediately follows.
Superman, Power Woman, and Flash and Batman now lay insensible.
J'onnz is not quite there; his physiology is more pliant and he caught the stray thought from Hulk just before Hulk completed that action.
Diana is not quite out, but she is dazed.
Hulk is dazed, too -- the clap snapped Wonder Woman's control
(and/or J'onnz's, depending on which one you actually meant)
and also made enough noise to wake him up!Hulk now looks angrily at Green Lantern:
"Hulk's ears hurt now Ring Man. You use ... loudphone?
Is that what you point at Hulk?
Do you make more noise now to bother Hulk ... ?" ... [/B]
With her lasso, anyone wrapped in it is compelled to obey her commands. It's not telepathic, its mystical. You can't resist it, really.
Why wouldn't the DC team know about Hulk's habits, anyway? I thought you said they knew about each other?
But this shows really well how a fight would go. The Marvel team wouldn't know what the DC team can do, even though they had 'basic' knowledge. But the DC team know and can share info at the speed of thought.
Originally posted by 8swords
depends whether thor can beat supes fast enough to help the others
True...
Though arguably, I'd have PG thrashing Widow, and Flash thrashing Spidey/Wolverine, so Bats/PG/Aquaman can help WW, then Bats/PG/WW/Aquaman could help Superman.....
Then it all snowballs horribly from there.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True...Though arguably, I'd have PG thrashing Widow, and Flash thrashing Spidey/Wolverine, so Bats/PG/Aquaman can help WW, then Bats/PG/WW/Aquaman could help Superman.....
Then it all snowballs horribly from there.
flash thrashing spidey/wolverine? your talking as if they haven't had any experience against speedsters, and its pretty unlikely for flash to go lightspeed at the get go,
as for MM, hmm , most of the bar fights I've seen includes fire? 😂
Originally posted by 8swords
flash thrashing spidey/wolverine? your talking as if they haven't had any experience against speedsters, and its pretty unlikely for flash to go lightspeed at the get go,as for MM, hmm , most of the bar fights I've seen includes fire? 😂
Lol none of the speedsters they've faced are on Flash's level.
Though some clarification may be needed. Is it SpOck?
And SpOck thinks he's faster than Wolverine:
Originally posted by 8swords
^ I know NONE of the speedsters that they faced are near flash's full level, but on an average they do, and as i said before unless flash gets to full light speed at the get go. hes not beating them easily.
Speed Demon was taking SpOck apart, though. And he wasn't doing anywhere near lightspeed. SpOck had to flee the fight.....
Great durability showing from Spidey, to be sure. But Speed Demon has nowhere near the abilities of Flash. What if he stole everyone's speed?
Originally posted by 8swords
hmmm never mind what I said, I just saw that, basing on the picture, its pre52, DC team wins this, stomp even.
Yah, they don't have stupid collars lol.
Also means Aquaman doesn't have some of his better showings strength wise, or his trident, but he still has his impressive telepathy showings.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Speed Demon was taking SpOck apart, though. And he wasn't doing anywhere near lightspeed. SpOck had to flee the fight.....Great durability showing from Spidey, to be sure. But Speed Demon has nowhere near the abilities of Flash. What if he stole everyone's speed?
because unlike peter, spock does not have the will to fight on, and just flee the scene.
Originally posted by 8swords
because unlike peter, spock does not have the will to fight on, and just flee the scene.
True. But the point still stands - he was too fast for the Spidey sense.
And Speed Demon is no Flash. Not sure what their average speeds are, however. But as the forum rules state:
As far as Flash's average goes, he is in general too fast for someone like Wolverine, but does not tend to just launch Infinite Mass Punches at the start of fights. It's about the average.
So we know for certain, at least, that he's faster than Logan....
Originally posted by 8swords
hmmm never mind what I said, I just saw that, basing on the picture, its pre52, DC team wins this, stomp even.
Couple flaws with that reasoning.
1) In character, the pre52 DC characters are more restrained than their current counterparts. They're slow starters who are relatively permissive in what they "allow" their opponents to do, even in serious fights.
2) Taking this as the 2010 incarnation of all these characters (which is what pre52 dates to) means that we're also taking the 2010 version of Hulk. HotM Hulk.
A Hulk that was actually above the level Greg Pak showed us in his original World War Hulk series, wherein Hulk effectively took on every major superhero in New York, including the members of the Fantastic Four, Juggernaut, and the Sentry.
3) Aquaman pre52 was a bearded man with a hook for one of his hands.
The one shown in the pool hall picture is nothing like that; he's the spitting image of today's Aquaman. Batman in the pool hall picture likewise looks more like that current Batman than the preFlashpoint one, but I won't insist on that.