Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly don't think the artist really knew what he was doing, and for the most part just drew the costumes he knew best, or the ones that came up first on a google search.Modern Iron Man but Pre Crisis Aquaman and Brown Suit Wolverine doesn't really make sense to me.
Might be better if we just give a blanket "Pre Flashpoint", or "New 52" ruling and go with it.
Plus, Batman looks like Baleman, what with the armoured stomach.
Edit: call it.
"Let's pick this possible action given the surprisingly wide variety of strategies Flash/Superman has been displaying in fights in recent months and go from there"
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hope it sounds familiar. I was only responding to what you were doing.
That'd be fine, except you're trying to argue based on what Flash/Superman supposedly did several years ago now, not in recent months
and, quite unlike Thor, who apparently does now use spells, and teleportation, and surprise lightning strikes, and the mystical weight of Mjolnir,
as opposed to his rather jobbish performances of a few years back where he was largely a damage sponge trying to more or less hammer his way through all problems.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You guys can choose which you would prefer for DC, if you like.I'd be inclined to make it Pre Flashpoint to make it more fair, but i'm not unreasonable.
I don't see why this needs a ruling at all if even you yourself don't believe the illustrator had a firm canon roster in mind.
It's quite easy to argue both cases here.
I AM curious as to why you think pre-Flashpoint would be more fair or in what sense, though.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't really trust your arguments, tbh, blue
The beauty of a properly proceeding forum discussion is that you don't have to trust the other side.
Instead, you make your case and present evidence that can be verified, and people decide for themselves.
I mean, seriously, you're trying to make your case based on how 2 red heads are drawn by 2 different artists with different styles
as to whether characterization and fight strategies are sound
... based on the artwork of a third artist?
While we're on such topics, I haven't forgotten that, in regards to that "Rulk" thing you weren't concerned about whether or not he could do it. You just wanted to win your debate.
So you tried to get a judge to effectively side with you and SILENCE discussion.
Which you largely succeeded at.
Whereas the proper way to do things is simply to go to the comics and provide evidence from there as to what Rulk could or could not do at that point.
Which someone eventually did.
If you do what you're supposed to, there's no judge save the audience necessary.
If I were nearly as untrustworthy as you're suggesting, I wouldn't have posted that Xavier/Jessica Drew scan for people to examine to resolve the matter in your favor.
I've been quite forthcoming about what I've presented and why in this thread.
The picture posted by the thread starter looks to be of characters from different time periods. Rogue for example hasn't sported that costume since the 90's if I am not mistaken, while Thor's uniform is of recent times. It would have helped the debate if we were given a specific era that all of the characters were from. Superman could be pre crisis for all we know?
Originally posted by Stoic
The picture posted by the thread starter looks to be of characters from different time periods. Rogue for example hasn't sported that costume since the 90's if I am not mistaken, while Thor's uniform is of recent times. It would have helped the debate if we were given a specific era that all of the characters were from. Superman could be pre crisis for all we know?
Pre-Crisis Superman wouldn't be involved in bar fight.
Actually, Pre-Crisis Superman wouldn't be in a bar, period.
Unless we're talking Golden Age Superman.
THAT guy I could see in a bar.
THAT guy I could see getting into a fight, and a GOOD one, at that ...
We need a randomizer.
Anybody know of a program that can match 8 items with 8 corresponding items?
Here's what we have so far for the rosters, though:
Marvel
1. Black Widow (Natasha Romanov)
2. Iron Man (Tony Stark)
3. Hulk (Bruce Banner)
4. Thor (Jake Olson)
5. Rogue (Marie Hollander)
6. Spider-Man (Peter Parker)
7. Wolverine (James Howlett)
8. Captain America (Steve Rogers)
DC
a. Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onnz)
b. Powerwoman (Karen Starr)
c. Superman (Clark Kent)
d. Flash (Barry Allen)
e. Aquaman (Arthur Curry)
f. Batman (Bruce Wayne)
g. Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
h. Wonder Woman (Diana Prince)
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Pre-Crisis Superman wouldn't be involved in bar fight.Actually, Pre-Crisis Superman wouldn't be in a [b]bar
, period.Unless we're talking Golden Age Superman.
THAT guy I could see in a bar.
THAT guy I could see getting into a fight, and a GOOD one, at that ... [/B]
Yes I know, but I was just saying that the costume that Superman has on in that pic could be from several different eras, all except for the new DC or current era.All the same I give the majority to DC in this one. Marvel has no answer for Power Girl or Wonder Woman, and would be stretched thin when Rogue and Black Widow eventually go down. Flash and is an incredible wild card here as Dark Saint pointed out from the beginning.
Originally posted by carver9
This fight is retarded.
So are most fights on KMC.
Originally posted by Stoic
I give the majority to DC in this one.
From a pure power standpoint, but power only, so would I.
Not so sure what happens if we actually argue this with characters who are IN character, though.
Originally posted by Stoic
Marvel has no answer for Power Girl or Wonder Woman,
and would be stretched thin when Rogue and Black Widow eventually go down.
Hulk or Thor for Wonder Woman. Hulk or Thor for Power Woman.
I don't see Rogue going down if she actually uses her power in this fight,
unless she tries to go for Martian Manhunter, in which case she more than likely eliminates herself.
Rogue with Wonder Woman's power, though? Or Power Woman's? Or Superman's? Who on DC's side would take her out, then?
Originally posted by Stoic
Flash is an incredible wild card here as Dark Saint pointed out from the beginning.
Yep. The biggest, discounting the possible exceptions of Thor and Martian Manhunter.
Some questions need to be answered, though:
Who is likeliest to start this fight? To fuel it?
(Wolverine is certainly one of the answers here.
The DCnU version of Hal Jordan would be another contributor.)
Who would be likeliest to try to stop the fight? To reason with people and/or cease hostilities?
(J'onn J'onnz. PRE- Flashpoint Wonder Woman, though perhaps not her current incarnation. Batman. Captain America under normal conditions, but here he seems to be cast as an instigator by the illustrator)
What level would the fight escalate to?
How much restraint and consideration for the safety of others would each hero have?
(Wolverine and Hulk, historically, are the least restrained)
A sleep command from Martian Manhunter would end things without much of a fight, but, would that be in character? At what POINT would that be so?
Is it true of DCnU Manhunter as well?
What WOULD Thor do in character now, given his current incarnation?
He's proven a lot more of a "take this outside" type person than he used to be ...
(More later.)
Originally posted by Mindset
Wolverine solos.
mmm
Wolverine DID take Lobo ...
Does anyone remember what happened the first time Lobo and Superman got into a fight?
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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The beauty of a [b]properly proceeding forum discussion is that you don't have to trust the other side.Instead, you make your case and present evidence that can be verified, and people decide for themselves.
I mean, seriously, you're trying to make your case based on how 2 red heads are drawn by 2 different artists with different styles
as to whether characterization and fight strategies are sound
... based on the artwork of a third artist?While we're on such topics, I haven't forgotten that, in regards to that "Rulk" thing you weren't concerned about whether or not he could do it. You just wanted to win your debate.
So you tried to get a judge to effectively side with you and SILENCE discussion.
Which you largely succeeded at.Whereas the proper way to do things is simply to go to the comics and provide evidence from there as to what Rulk could or could not do at that point.
Which someone eventually did.
If you do what you're supposed to, there's no judge save the audience necessary.
If I were nearly as untrustworthy as you're suggesting, I wouldn't have posted that Xavier/Jessica Drew scan for people to examine to resolve the matter in your favor.
I've been quite forthcoming about what I've presented and why in this thread. [/B]
The main issue I had, was that I was the one who posted proof, which you ignored, and used an older scan for you case. And wouldn't give up the point. In the end, I had to get a judge.
THAT was why I took issue with it. I actually told you the issue, date of publication etc, but you refused to accept it (until the end).
But that's not the main issue here, and I apologise for bringing it up.
I brought up the point of the redheads as well, because her outfit is classic Widow, especially of recent depictions. And looks very different from Carpenter or Drew's costumes.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
mmmDoes anyone remember what happened the first time Lobo and Superman got into a fight?
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2e31s8x.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/mj4g92.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2dazoqu.jpg
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http://oi62.tinypic.com/2cnv8kn.jpg[Wolverine TOOK Lobo when THEY fought ...]
Originally posted by FlyattractorThat's only because LOBO passed out after falling behind the bar.
Mainly from boredom from fighting Jimmy.
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(Source: DC versus Marvel #3)
