Guardians of the Galaxy

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's an excellent way to put it.

When I am in the right mood, I like Batman Begins more than TDK.

Also, I should note that my Blu-ray collection is less than 10 movies deep. I own Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Perhaps that is why I like Nolan films so much? They have high rewatchability. That is probably why I like Tarantino so much, too: high rewatchability.

Originally posted by dadudemon

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2014a.htm
That's only the U.S. market

Movie ticket sales have dropped off, sharply, for the film. It does not appear to have the staying power as other films such as Avengers.

That's only the U.S. market

By the way, Avengers was a better film than this. 😄

I beg to differ, They're about even for me

also back in your other post you go on about

The movie suffered from being PG-13

i don't think the comic itself is even anything higher then that, From the stuff that i've seen.

Originally posted by dadudemon

That's not true.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2014a.htm

Movie ticket sales have dropped off, sharply, for the film.

Ah that's normal. X-men had the same kind of drop-off yet went on to earn over $700mill.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It does not appear to have the staying power as other films such as Avengers.

Well no, it's not going to make Avengers type money.

But tbh making over $700mill is not out of the question.

It's made over $300mill WW in just over a week. And it's still got plenty of overseas markets to open in. Including China which is a Massive market for movies nowadays.

Originally posted by dadudemon
By the way, Avengers was a better film than this. 😄

Agree with you here. But I'm not sure where Avengers comparisons came into play in the first place. Avengers is arguably the greatest comic book movie of all time. So the fact that people are even comparing the 2 shows how much people love this movie.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Agree with you here. But I'm not sure where Avengers comparisons came into play in the first place. Avengers is arguably the greatest comic book movie of all time. So the fact that people are even comparing the 2 shows how much people love this movie.

I'm guessing because of the multiple characters working as a team to stop a threat.

Originally posted by Kazenji
That's only the U.S. market

Not enough information is known about foreign markets for you to conclude "That's only the U.S. market."

Originally posted by Kazenji
i don't think the comic itself is even anything higher then that, From the stuff that i've seen.

It depends on the issue.

In The Thanos Imperative, you get some pretty nice violence going:

Thanos can be very violent, too (calm down, nerds...I am not referring to the screen shot with this statement: I am referring to other actions, performed by Thanos, that are very violent. So keep your "herp derp, daths not Thanoths idioth!" comments to yourself).

My statement comes from the fact the PG-13 movies cut it too close but limit themselves at the same time. The sexual pervisions and violence had to be subdued in the film to keep the rating at PG-13. The language had to be unrealistically toned down to keep the rating at PG-13.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-PG-13-Rating-Should-Abolished-43730.html

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ah that's normal. X-men had the same kind of drop-off yet went on to earn over $700mill.

You are probably right. Days of Future Past dropped off even more sharply than Guardians.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well no, it's not going to make Avengers type money.

But tbh making over $700mill is not out of the question.

It's made over $300mill WW in just over a week. And it's still got plenty of overseas markets to open in. Including China which is a Massive market for movies nowadays.

GotG should definitely make quite a bit of money, this year. It just had a sharper drop-off than should be expected from a film like this.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Agree with you here. But I'm not sure where Avengers comparisons came into play in the first place. Avengers is arguably the greatest comic book movie of all time. So the fact that people are even comparing the 2 shows how much people love this movie.

The Avenger comparisons started waaaay before the GotG movie was even a thought. The Avengers themselves break the 4th wall (sort of) with the comparisons that every reader is thinking (The Korvac Saga).

Think of it this way to understand the comparisons:

1. Marvel
2. Superheros
3. Unlikely Team
4. Fighting BadGuys
5. Under the Leadership of a Human without superpowers but has a suit that augments his abilities.

"Avengers in Space" is not a new tongue-in-cheek label for them.

I think this was a movie that could have used the help of an animated series before the movie came out. They're going to make one, but they should have decided to do one before hand. I'm not sure how many kids were aware of these guys compared to say the turtles. More kids would have boasted Guardians past the $100 million mark and likely helped it fend off TMNT.

This was a perfectly crafted family film, with cool visuals and talking animals for the kids and an oldies soundtrack, genocidal villain and other adult themes, and comic and MCU references for the teens and adults, providing the backstory of the Infinity Stones we've all been waiting for.

The balance between humor, dramatic tension, and action was superb, all of the characters were fun and interesting in that Leverage-esque way, and all in all, it provides the fun escapist entertainment desired from a summer blockbuster.

I would give it an 8.2/10

In terms of Marvel films, I may say this is the best one I've seen, due to having, like all good popcorn blockbusters, a major rewatchability factor to it. My ranking would be:

1. GotG
2 TIH
3. Cap 2
4. The Avengers
5. IM

GotG was great, but I believe Edge of Tomorrow was the best blockbuster of the year no doubt.

^ GotG having rewatchability is something I doubt but whatever floats the people's boats I guess. Still think folks are overhyping it but hey that's just me.

Nah. Let me put it like this. I had ZERO intention of seeing this film until my dad wanted to see it for his birthday. IM3 sucked, and Cap 2, while it had a great plot, was unable to fully engage me. This film though was IMO the consummate Marvel film, creating a sci action-comedy that everyone will love.

It's definitely not original, and clearly has recycled several thematic, plot, and characters elements from prior space opera franchises, most notably SW, Abrams ST, and Firefly. Luckily it borrows the best elements and blends them together into a film that feels both fresh and familiar. As stated above, it's a perfectly crafted all-ages summer blockbuster.

That's fair. I personally though that GotG didn't use enough humor, or to be more specific, Starlord and Rocket. It is one of the better Marvel movies however I was expecting more considering Marvel shoehorned a bunch of unnecessary humor in Thor 2 and IM3. Felt like a wasted opportunity to me.

I can agree with your last statemen soundly.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, here are some of the movies that show up in my top 50:

Matrix Trilogy
Star Wars Ep 1-6
Prometheus
Dark City
Gladiator
Inglourious Basterds
Alien
X-men 2
Terminator 2
Equilibrium
The Watchmen

All I had to do was go down my 5-star Netflix list. 😄

Anyway, clearly, I have terrible taste in films. Just terrible.

jugg666happy

Good List 👆

but based on your other posts I can tell your one of those that prefers anything dark and gritty and if anything shows a bit of lightheartedness , humor, or anything you can be quick to claim is kiddy , it burns your ("mature"😉 retinas.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not enough information is known about foreign markets for you to conclude "That's only the U.S. market."

Wow...ya think 😬

that link you provided clearly says "domestic total"

actually i can for the foreign market, Just click the foreign tab

It depends on the issue.

In The Thanos Imperative, you get some pretty nice violence going:

Thanos can be very violent, too (calm down, nerds...I am not referring to the screen shot with this statement: I am referring to other actions, performed by Thanos, that are very violent. So keep your "herp derp, daths not Thanoths idioth!" comments to yourself).

i'm clearly talking about the Gotg book in general not a comic event & also as much as you wish to say The Thanos Imperative story was violent at times, It was only rated 12+

Inhuman pretty much sums your view.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Wow...ya think 😬

that link you provided clearly says "domestic total"

actually i can for the foreign market, Just click the foreign tab

I have not looked at the link but, as of yesterday, almost all foreign markets were only up-to-date through the 3rd August: shortly after it was released in those markets.

The vast majority of them do not have 2 weeks of data: only 1 week.

This is why we cannot make any statements about forgein markets, just yet. We can with the US Market: there was a sharp drop-off of ticket sales in only it's second week. It's not going to do as good as Avengers or The Dark Knight, for sure.

Originally posted by Kazenji
i'm clearly talking about the Gotg book in general not a comic event & also as much as you wish to say The Thanos Imperative story was violent at times, It was only rated 12+

Inhuman pretty much sums your view.

And I'm clearly talking about any comics that had Guardians of the Galaxy in them.

🙂

But, you concede the point at the end so it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, here are some of the movies that show up in my top 50:

Matrix Trilogy
Star Wars Ep 1-6
Prometheus
Dark City
Gladiator
Inglourious Basterds
Alien
X-men 2
Terminator 2
Equilibrium
The Watchmen

Respect to you for putting all 6 SW films in there. Most people would only put in 4-6, and say it's a crime to like 1-3.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Good List 👆

but based on your other posts I can tell your one of those that prefers anything dark and gritty and if anything shows a bit of lightheartedness , humor, or anything you can be quick to claim is kiddy , it burns your ("mature"😉 retinas.

You may have never been more wrong about something. 😉

Here are other movies that got my coveted 9 out of 10 rating:

Hot Rod
Dumb and Dumber
Ace Venture Pet Detective: When Nature Calls
Zoolander
Happy Gilmore

That first list was specifically sampled for this discussion. I targeted the sample of my top 50 list for movies I was sure he would also enjoy.

It was to directly refute his assertion of my tastes in films. He should have experienced a heavy dose of cognitive dissonance. "If he likes the same movies I do, then his taste cannot be utter and complete shit and I can no longer casually dismiss his opinions and commentary on this film." He would be faced with a decision: accept my criticisms of Guardians of the Galaxy as legitimate (they are...it is my opinion and it is absurd to think a person's opinion on how much they enjoyed a film, is invalid) or take another look at why he liked the film and evaluate how his previous and new opinion of the film compare (and then re-compare it to my opinion).

Generally, people hope for the latter to occur. They want people to be aware of and assess their opinion as valid or acceptable. When someone expresses an opinion on art that runs contrary to theirs (even if it is just details that they disagree on: let us not forget that I rated it a 6.5-7 out of 10 which, on my scale, means it is above "average" to "good"😉, they get upset, angry, or uncomfortable. So they try their best to dispute that opinion with various methods. The most immature and childish method (because it is the most simplistic and requires the least amount of thought to arrive at) is to immediately treat the opposing opinion as invalid. It basically constitutes a, "Well...you're just wrong!" This is what Estacado did when he said, "You must have shitty taste in movies."

Normally, I do not explain the machinations of my thoughts to people in such detail because, clearly, it is too lengthy and complicated for a light and casual conversation. I am aware that I tak 5000 steps to go from A to B. I am working on improving my writing. But I figured you deserved the lengthy explanation to better understand where I am coming from. In the future, you can just assume there was a whole bunch of thinking involved with my comments and not a superficial interpretation, like the one you made regarding my opinion.

Originally posted by Inhuman

And here we arrive at you attempting the same immature and childish method of dealing with your cognitive dissonance: treat the opposing opinion as just plain wrong. However, your attempt, here, is just slightly more complicated than Estacado's: you've added an abstraction layer to your disputation by labeling me as a neck beard who thinks his opinion is better than everyone elses'. Here is the problem with what you're doing: this directly applies to you and Estacado, not me. Why? Because I have not once asserted that your opinions are invalid but both of you have: Estacado, directly, and you, indirectly with an insult.

Here is a suggestion for both of you: grow up. Stop acting like 8-year children arguing over their favorite superhero. Accept that fact that adults will have differing opinions on the art that they consume. Do not pretend your opinions are better than someone else's when it comes to the value people obtain from that art they consume. If you take my advice, you'll come off less as petty children whining on the internet and more like mature adults who are capable of having constructive dialogue. I am not saying you both acting like fit-throwing children, all the time. You both have good commentary in discussions. But, sometimes, you both descend into stuff like this.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
I think this was a movie that could have used the help of an animated series before the movie came out. They're going to make one, but they should have decided to do one before hand. I'm not sure how many kids were aware of these guys compared to say the turtles. More kids would have boasted Guardians past the $100 million mark and likely helped it fend off TMNT.

The Guardians of the Galaxy made an appearance in the Avengers Cartoon a year or more before they showed up in the film.

Hulk, of course, tried to fight Groot. Starlord was his usual smart-mouthed self...but they seemed more like Poster-Boy Captain America than they did the criminal hodgepodge that the movie made the GotG seem like.

Originally posted by Lestov16
This was a perfectly crafted family film, with cool visuals and talking animals for the kids and an oldies soundtrack, genocidal villain and other adult themes, and comic and MCU references for the teens and adults, providing the backstory of the Infinity Stones we've all been waiting for.

The balance between humor, dramatic tension, and action was superb, all of the characters were fun and interesting in that Leverage-esque way, and all in all, it provides the fun escapist entertainment desired from a summer blockbuster.

I would give it an 8.2/10

In terms of Marvel films, I may say this is the best one I've seen, due to having, like all good popcorn blockbusters, a major rewatchability factor to it. My ranking would be:

1. GotG
2 TIH
3. Cap 2
4. The Avengers
5. IM

GotG was great, but I believe Edge of Tomorrow was the best blockbuster of the year no doubt.

Yes, I, too, thought the first Iron Man was kickass. Glad to see someone else have it in their list of top comic-book movies.

Still have not seen Captain America 2...waiting for it to come out in September...

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
^ GotG having rewatchability is something I doubt but whatever floats the people's boats I guess. Still think folks are overhyping it but hey that's just me.

I agree: I do not think it is a re-watchable film. I probably will not watch the movie, again. There was not any hidden gems in the film that necessitate a rewatch. But Lestov thinks there were enough of those elements to warrant another viewing and that's okay.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Respect to you for putting all 6 SW films in there. Most people would only put in 4-6, and say it's a crime to like 1-3.

I enjoyed all 6 films, quite a bit. I've seen all of them at least twice, now. That is a big deal for me because I usually only see movies once: even great movies.

I will probably love the shit out of the Sequel Trilogy, too. They'd really have to screw the pooch to make me hate the ST because there is too much excellent material to draw from...and they are including much of the OT cast? It is going to rock...probably.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I enjoyed all 6 films, quite a bit. I've seen all of them at least twice, now. That is a big deal for me because I usually only see movies once: even great movies.

I will probably love the shit out of the Sequel Trilogy, too. They'd really have to screw the pooch to make me hate the ST because there is too much excellent material to draw from...and they are including much of the OT cast? It is going to rock...probably.

Yeah hopefully.

I am a bit worried though that without Lucas it will be made more for the taste of Critics than for fans like me and you.

But fingers crossed it will rock for us and satisfy the critics and haters of the PT.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But fingers crossed it will rock for us and satisfy the critics and haters of the PT.

Oh, yes, this...

When I was a kid, after having first seen the OT, I wanted a ST. When the PT was announced, I was even more excited for the ST.

I have always wanted an ST. I didn't even want the PT. I already knew the end of that story. The PT was really made for the fans, imo. And some of the most die-hard fans didn't even like it so, in that respect, it failed.

And, yes, here's hoping we get a critically acclaimed AND popular ST. My fingers, toes, and even my eyes are crossed. lol

Originally posted by dadudemon

When I was a kid, after having first seen the OT, I wanted a ST.

Same here. And actually more so after watching the PT. Because after watching the PT the OT seems less complete. Because clearly going from where they were in Ep I to where it ends in ROTJ, the Jedi are a long long way from their former standing and position in the Galaxy.

Anyhow, I watched GotG twice; I enjoyed it twice.

I will probably watch it at home a 3rd time once a proper copy hits the downloads in a month or more.