Lucifer Morningstar VS Mad Jim Jaspers

Originally posted by leonidas
your idea of multiverse is incorrect, but even using your OWN definition, the vertigo-verse is definitively a mutliverse as i showed when i showed the sandman scans around boss smiley and prez. prez travels from earth to earth wandering across all the alternate versions of america. we also saw an alternate character in the lucifer-verse which you've been shown several times. at best you can say there is some inconsistency with regards to the lucifer-verse. if you want to say its a universe because that was the word that described it often (creation was also used often) and ignore what was shown, that's on you, but do not try and pretend an equally strong case can be made for it being shown as a multiverse--via on panel proof AND implied proofs.

there is NO lack of consistency with regards to the vertigo-verse though. your one scan is the only thing. dozens of other scans, across various titles (sandman dedicated an entire 10-12 story ARC around the various alternate universes) depict it as a multiverse. forgetting that it has also interacted with dc proper. as regards the vertigo-verse YOU HAVE NO LEG TO STAND ON. zero. one scan does NOT outweigh entire arcs of proof. and you know it.

Guess what that creation was called by her? A UNIVERSE. She would know because SHE MERGED THEM. And then she let her consciousness expand to fill it.................a UNIVERSE :

This was as recently as 2006.

And the funny thing about Lucifer's creation, that he needed his brother's power for anyway, was that it wasn't even complete. There was afterlife, no immortals, etc....

Yet people were claiming it was EQUAL to Yahweh's universe.

Originally posted by zopzop
So stop crying. You're an adult aren't you? Act like one.

Irony at its finest.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Means nothing against MJJ who would do the same effortlesly.

Originally posted by CortSether
Are all Vertigo fans as far up their ass as you?

Originally posted by zopzop
Yet people were claiming it was EQUAL to Yahweh's universe.

Anyways, since Thanos only absorbed a universe with the power of the HoTU, he's clearly a universal power going by your awful logic.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Because it was, you jackass.

That right there proves it wasn't equal to Yahweh's creation.

Originally posted by zopzop
Except it wasn't. No afterlife, no immortals/angels, etc..

That right there proves it wasn't equal to Yahweh's creation.

Also, the Ultimateverse isn't equal to the 616verse in magnitude as well. Since it has an IG in its Negative Zone, while the 616-NZ doesn't.

Your awful logic comes back to bite you in the ass again.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Identical twins aren't identical, going by this silly logic. Since in practically every case, there is one small feature which is slightly different for one twin or the other.

Also, the Ultimateverse isn't equal to the 616verse in magnitude as well. Since it has an IG in its Negative Zone, while the 616-NZ doesn't.

Your awful logic comes back to bite you in the ass again.

Lucifer's creation didn't have the afterlife, didn't have immortals/angels, etc.. Again, these are not "slight" differences.

Originally posted by zopzop
But it isn't. The Ultraverse doesn't have abstracts like Eternity does it? It doesn't have the Negative Zone, the Quantum Zone, the Darkforce Universe, etc... that make up 616 and it's multiverse. These aren't "slight" differences. Thank you for proving my point.

Lucifer's creation didn't have the afterlife, didn't have immortals/angels, etc.. Again, these are not "slight" differences.

It didn't have immortal because Lucifer forcefully banished them from Creation. Though semi-conceptual beings like the Sisters of Mercy(not that I expect you to have even the slightest clue about them) count as such.

It didn't have an afterlife because Lucifer didn't consider it necessary. Heck, iirc Elaine herself did away with the concept of afterlife after Master Rudd explained to her to the unfairness of infinite torment for a finite sin in Hell.

Your strawmans don't take away from the fact that sans the afterlife conundrum, the whole of Luciferverse was based on Yahweh's original creation, and since the original creation is a confirmed multiverse, so is Lucifer's.

Originally posted by zopzop
Elaine MERGED the three creations into ONE.
Guess what that creation was called by her? A UNIVERSE.

Not sure what are you trying to prove here, since it's been pointed out to you several times that Vertigo uses the terms interchangeably. Because unless you disprove this, you don't even have a point to begin with, by merely saying that it's called "a universe".

Originally posted by Epicurus

Thanos only absorbed a universe with the power of the HoTU,

Originally posted by Epicurus

Is it, or is it not an alternate version of 616?

The 616 IG power retconned this multiverse the way Crisis on Infinite Earths did for DC.
616 IG power simultaneously fixed the Prime mainstream multiverse too which it had inadvertently merged with the Ultraverse.

The extra info is for the public KK.

Yeppers

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree.

Originally posted by Mr Master

The Ultraverse is actually a separate Multiverse: (outside Eternity/infinity)

The 616 IG power retconned this multiverse the way Crisis on Infinite Earths did for DC.
616 IG power simultaneously fixed the Prime mainstream multiverse too which it had inadvertently merged with the Ultraverse.

The extra info is for the public KK.

Bump

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Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
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