Who wins the race: Surfer vs Flash

Originally posted by carver9
That ft was stated as being under the speed of light. Also, Surfer has moved so fast that he went back in time. That doesn't include him crossing Galaxies in seconds.

WTF?

Do the numbers my friend

Flash traveled 70 miles, 250,000 times (AT LEAST because SOMETIMES he carried 2 people at a time SOMETIMES 1) in .00001 MICROseconds

That means he traveled AT LEAST 17,500,000 miles in less than a nanoseconds 0.01 nanosecond to be exact

light travels 1 foot per nanosecond

Flash traveled 17,500,000 miles in .01 nanoseconds

and this is LOWBALLING the feat as I am counting him carrying 2 people in each trip with out even considering the fact that He had to search for people inside buildings, this is not even a straight line feat, but a complex task ftl feat.

Flash is so fast that time virtually stops for him.

And yes the writer says a hair short of the speed of light but if this is true, then it means

1.-Writer has no idea what the speed of light is
or
2.- Light travels insanely faster in the DCU compared to our universe

You pick

This feat is only one of many, you wont defeat Flash at his game.

Flash is so fast that he can race himself at the same time.

So yeah Flash wins every single time

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

And yes the writer says a hair short of the speed of light but if this is true, then it means

1.-Writer has no idea what the speed of light is
or
2.- Light travels insanely faster in the DCU compared to our universe

A third reading, is that he was both faster and slower than the speed of light.

We know the Flash carried the Koreans at 'a hair breadth's short of the speed of light'.

But when he's running BACK into the city, empty handed, without anyone in his arms and when's he's not having to worry about civilians..he's running faster.

So, rather than assuming a constant speed (the speed that he carried them there = the speed he runs back into the city), he probably took a bit more care+time when he was carrying a little old Korean lady, than ramping it up to max gear when he's on his own.

Also:

He's making two trips, of 35 miles each (assuming the city is concentrated in 1 spot - this is grossly underestimating, as Chongjin is 104 square miles;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chongjin). This would be for every rescue.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A third reading, is that he was both faster and slower than the speed of light.

We know the Flash carried the Koreans at 'a hair breadth's short of the speed of light'.

But when he's running BACK into the city, empty handed, without anyone in his arms and when's he's not having to worry about civilians..he's running faster.

So, rather than assuming a constant speed (the speed that he carried them there = the speed he runs back into the city), he probably took a bit more care+time when he was carrying a little old Korean lady, than ramping it up to max gear when he's on his own.

Also:

He's making two trips, of 35 miles each (assuming the city is concentrated in 1 spot - this is grossly underestimating, as Chongjin is 104 square miles;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chongjin). This would be for every rescue.

sneer ..........................

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85

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Actually, I once did a calculation for this feat as well. Though the writer states it was under lightspeed, the feat translated into something like 500 kilocee. I'll see if I can find that post.

The numbers doesn't matter when the writer CLEARLY states Flash was going UNDER the speed of light. He threw that ft completely out of the window when he said that.

Originally posted by carver9
The numbers doesn't matter when the writer CLEARLY states Flash was going UNDER the speed of light. He threw that ft completely out of the window when he said that.

Um no, they do, panel showing >> narration statements

Originally posted by carver9
The numbers doesn't matter when the writer CLEARLY states Flash was going UNDER the speed of light. He threw that ft completely out of the window when he said that.

Writer clearly says they were carried there.

Says nothing about Flash when he's running empty handed - unless you want to argue he was also carrying them INTO the city?

Writer also clearly states the time taken for the whole operation, and the distance travelled.

He carried them UNDER the speed of light - but to be able to carry out the entire rescue operation in the time CLEARLY stated, he was travelling MUCH faster.

Originally posted by Mindship
I knew this one would show up. 😉

Actually, I once did a calculation for this feat as well. Though the writer states it was under lightspeed, the feat translated into something like 500 kilocee. I'll see if I can find that post.

Lol, think anyone of us with any engineering/maths bent has done the calcs before - the problem stems from the assumption we all make that Flash's speed out of the city = speed back into the city.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Writer clearly says they were carried there.

Says nothing about Flash when he's running empty handed - unless you want to argue he was also carrying them INTO the city?

Writer also clearly states the time taken for the whole operation, and the distance travelled.

He carried them UNDER the speed of light - but to be able to carry out the entire rescue operation in the time CLEARLY stated, he was travelling MUCH faster.

When did he NOT carry someone? Do you have a scan of this? Also, the writer clearly states he is going shy of the speed of light. It can't get any clearer than this. It's pretty obvious the writer doesn't know math, BUT, we can't exclude his intentions.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Um no, they do, panel showing >> narration statements

😐

No!!!

Actually, I found that calculation post and I did not recall it correctly. Putting the writer's statement aside for the moment, that city-emptying feat was much, MUCH faster than 500,000 cee. It is a good feat for the Flash (again, writer's wtf comment aside):

Originally posted by Mindship
The blogger writes: "He ran a total of 17,500,000 miles in one hundred-thousandth of a microsecond. Multiply that by one hundred thousand to get the distance he can run in one second, and then that by sixty by the distance he can run in one minute, and then that by sixty again to get his mph. I got 6,300,000,000,000,000,000,000mph. 6.3 sextillion miles per. That’s 34,054,054,054,054,054 times the speed of light."

That's not what I got. The blogger made 2 errors.

1. Assuming Flash carried two people at once, he made 250,000 70-mile roundtrips. That's 17,500,000 miles (so far so good). Now the blogger makes his first mistake: 17,500,000 miles x 100,000 x 3600 = 6,300,000,000,000,000 or 6.3 quadrillion (not septillion) miles per hour. Let's simplify by keeping it per second: 17,500,000 x 100,000 = 1,750,000,000,000 or 1.75 trillion miles. Divide this by 186,000 and you get 9.4 million cee: far, Far, FAR less than what the blogger posted.

But all is not lost.

2. Second error: Flash carries two people at once, making 250,000 70-mile roundtrips for a total of 17,500,000 miles in .00001 (1/100,000th) of a microsecond, which is already 1/1,000,000th (.000001) of a second. So the blogger is wrong when he says "Multiply that by one hundred thousand to get the distance he can run in one second." Actually, multiply by 10^11 (100 billion) to see what Flash ran in one second.

This comes out to 1,750,000,000,000,000,000 (about 1.75 quintillion) miles in 1 second. Divide 1.75 quintillion by 186,000 and you get about 9.4 trillion cee. Even if Flash carried one person at a time, you get about 19 trillion cee.

Again, far, Far, FAR less than 34 quadrillion cee, but still very impressive.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Writer clearly says they were carried there.

Says nothing about Flash when he's running empty handed - unless you want to argue he was also carrying them INTO the city?

Writer also clearly states the time taken for the whole operation, and the distance travelled.

He carried them UNDER the speed of light - but to be able to carry out the entire rescue operation in the time CLEARLY stated, he was travelling MUCH faster.

I never noticed that, WOW that meant Flash also has insane acceleration. truly the speed force allows him to defy the laws of physics.

One time I tried to see how fast was Flash compared to Usain Bolt and he was a sh!tillion times faster than him, just don't remember how much and I did it using this feat.

Originally posted by carver9
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No!!!

Yes.

We can ask PR if you want.

Originally posted by carver9
When did he NOT carry someone. Do you have a scan of this? Also, the writer clearly states he is going shy if the speed of light. It can't get any clearer than this. It's pretty obvious the writer doesn't know math, BUT, we can't exclude his intentions.

Erm....when he's running back into the city. Seriously...he's EVACUATING, i.e., taking people OUT of the city.

So he runs into the city, empty handed, picks an old Korean granny up and her husband, and runs out of the city to a hill, 35 miles away. Under the speed of light.

Puts them down.

Now what, carver? Does he wish them to the hill? Or does he RUN BACK into the city? And when he runs back, does he carry the old elderly couple with him as well?

Read the scan again.

They were carried there (my emphasis). One at a time. Sometimes two. At a hair breadth's short of the speed of light.

So when he runs BACK into the city, in order to complete the entire operation in 0.0001 microseconds, he'd have to move faster than earlier, when he was under the speed of light. Really, it doesn't get any clearer than that.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes.

We can ask PR if you want.

Ask Digi instead.

Originally posted by carver9
Ask Digi instead.

Lest do this faster instead

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10590&pagenumber=18#post14207293

First statement of the page

"He can say it all he likes. We take feats above statements, because statements are fallible.

He's been shown physically moving faster than light, both before and after the reboot, on multiple occasions. You can believe that he shouldn't go faster than light. You can not like him doing it. The fact remains, though, that he has done it, and will most likely do it again based on the precedent set.

You can't debate something that factually happened on panel.

So please, move on."

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm....when he's running back into the city. Seriously...he's EVACUATING, i.e., taking people OUT of the city.

So he runs into the city, empty handed, picks an old Korean granny up and her husband, and runs out of the city to a hill, 35 miles away. Under the speed of light.

Puts them down.

Now what, carver? Does he wish them to the hill? Or does he RUN BACK into the city? And when he runs back, does he carry the old elderly couple with him as well?

Read the scan again.

[b]They were carried there (my emphasis). One at a time. Sometimes two. At a hair breadth's short of the speed of light.

So when he runs BACK into the city, in order to complete the entire operation in 0.0001 microseconds, he'd have to move faster than earlier, when he was under the speed of light. Really, it doesn't get any clearer than that. [/B]

You're nitpicking to safe face for a ft. He said Flash was going shy of the speed of light. He didn't clarify what he was doing when he went this fast, nothing. He simply said Flash was going under the speed of light. He didn't have to tell us that, they were carried there, put down, ran back over to the city over the speed of light, carried the people back under the speed of light, etc...etc, thats half retarded to write all of that. He gave us a clear indication on how fast Flash was going. The writer doesn't have to break this down to a fraction of an inch for us to realize the speed the writer was throwing at our face.

There's no debate. Writer clearly states they were carried under the speed of light.

He also clearly states how long the entire process took.

My explanation marries both together, and makes sense.

Originally posted by carver9
You're nitpicking to safe face for a ft. He said Flash was going shy of the speed of light. He didn't clarify what he was doing when he went this fast, nothing. He simply said Flash was going under the speed of light. He didn't have to tell us that, they were carried there, put down, ran back over to the city over the speed of light, carried the people back under the speed of light, etc...etc, thats half retarded to write all of that. He gave us a clear indication on how fast Flash was going. The writer doesn't have to break this down to a fraction of an inch for us to realize the speed the writer was throwing at our face.

OK That settles it, for Carver light moves faster in the DCU than in our universe.

Originally posted by carver9
You're nitpicking to safe face for a ft. He said Flash was going shy of the speed of light. He didn't clarify what he was doing when he went this fast, nothing. He simply said Flash was going under the speed of light. He didn't have to tell us that, they were carried there, put down, ran back over to the city over the speed of light, carried the people back under the speed of light, etc...etc, that half retarded to write all of that. He gave us a clear indication on how fast Flash was going. The writer doesn't have to break this down to a fraction of an inch for us to realize the speed the writer was throwing at our face.

Erm, he DOES clarify and say what he was doing....he was carrying them, one at a time, sometimes two. At that speed.

He doesn't HAVE to break it down, but I had to, in order to make you understand that both statements (the time taken/distance travelled, AND the 'hair breadth's short' statement) are not mutually exclusive.