The "gauntlet grab" showing is potentially far less impressive than it's often made out to be, a scene in Silver Surfer #56 seemingly places Adam and Surfer far closer than a light year away before his attempt.
http://i.imgur.com/699SFOY.jpg
Seems like a low showing at that point given what Surfer had already accomplished in the past with the Skrull base blitz and such.
Originally posted by FiendishThat can be chalked up to an artistic discrepancy, tbh.
The "gauntlet grab" showing is potentially far less impressive than it's often made out to be, a scene in Silver Surfer #56 seemingly places Adam and Surfer far closer than a light year away before his attempt.
After all, Warlock explicitly stated that he and Surfer were positioned just over a light year away from Thanos and the other heroes, near the end of Infinity Gauntlet #3:
...And they certainly didn't move closer to the battle before Surfer attempted to snag the IG soon afterward. /shrug
Originally posted by Mr MasterI know this feat isn't applicable here because it is an alternate Surfer, but I don't think a character can simply fly to alternate universes as though they are walking to their next door neighbor's house -- especially a universe 1,000x removed from the one they currently occupy... Not without some kind of 'boost' at least.
How bout' universeS?[b]Surfer travels across 1000 entire universeS in seconds
. imo ... less than 10 seconds! 👆(HOW many "seconds" exactly though... that's open to interpretation)
Surfer takes off from Earth and first visits Zenn-La, then he begins his speed feat journey.
It is not outright stated it was "in seconds" ...
but I easily reached this conclusion from the following two pages.Although I believe this,
I also think the "speed" of the feat is open to interpretation based on how one views the circumstances.Basically, as Surfer leaves Zenn-La to find a race called the "Decimators" (located 1000 universeS away)
Human Torch lets off his full power and is no sold, literally, "seconds later" it's over,
because Surfer already reached the reality of the "Decimators" located 1000 universeS away.
As is also the case with DC, universes in Marvel occupy the same physical space, but they are separated by variances in their vibratory pattern(s):
So to achieve that feat, it seems like 71016-Surfer would've *had to* either: create a wormhole to access the specific universe of the Decimators, OR alter his own vibrational pattern to match theirs -- either of which would have allowed for nigh-instantaneous transport to that specific universe.
...Thoughts? srug
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I used to think so too, but someone pointed out that he could have simply scanned like a radar over an indeterminate radius while flying over the Earth. Would still be a great speed feat even if he just criss-crossed the Earth a handful of times while scanning though, but unless it shows that he manually looked everywhere, I can't assume he did, especially when he has the cosmic awareness for efficiency.
Originally posted by CosmicComet😛
Occam's Razor
Originally posted by carver9Yes Carver, I noticed the smiley. In fact, a lot of your recent posts have shown smilies. That means a lot of your posts weren't serious. Posts which aren't serious are spam posts. Spam posts are against the rules.
Lol...the smiley Bada, the smiley. You are the one that told me to use smilies anytime I'm not serious.
mmm
WARNED! 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
That can be chalked up to an artistic discrepancy, tbh.After all, Warlock explicitly stated that he and Surfer were positioned just over a light year away from Thanos and the other heroes, near the end of Infinity Gauntlet #3:
...And they certainly didn't move closer to the battle before Surfer attempted to snag the IG soon afterward. /shrug
That was my original thought as well. However at some point, they did move from the position there, where Warlock makes that statement, to an area with the asteroids that we see Warlock standing on in both the scene from Silver Surfer #56 and the scene from Infinity Gauntlet #4. It's done off panel so it can't be stated with certainty that it wasn't closer.
To me it's not that big a deal, as since then Surfer's done the "light years in seconds" thing multiple times IIRC, his escape with Air-Walker during Annihilation Silver Surfer #1 specifically coming to mind.
Originally posted by FiendishAgain, it is just an artistic discrepancy between the main series and the Surfer tie-ins. Starlin made it explicitly clear in the main series that Warlock and Surfer were just over a light year away from Thanos the entire time. The tie-ins certainly do not change that, as they contain NO statements/dialogue giving us a closer distance than what Starlin/Warlock stated.
That was my original thought as well. However at some point, they did move from the position there, where Warlock makes that statement, to an area with the asteroids that we see Warlock standing on in both the scene from Silver Surfer #56 and the scene from Infinity Gauntlet #4. It's done off panel so it can't be stated with certainty that it wasn't closer.
Furthermore, the context of that entire scene --the whole reason Warlock positioned them that far away-- was so Thanos would not sense them while he was actively battling the other heroes. Warlock would absolutely NOT have risked moving them closer to the battle than they already were for no reason -- doing so could have alerted Thanos to their shenanigans ahead of schedule.
tl;dr-
They were ~ a light year away when Surfer attempted the Gauntlet-snag. It is quite unarguable, tbh. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
I know this feat isn't applicable here because it is an alternate Surfer, but I don't think a character can simply fly to alternate universes as though they are walking to their next door neighbor's house -- especially a universe 1,000x removed from the one they currently occupy... Not without some kind of 'boost' at least.As is also the case with DC, universes in Marvel occupy the same physical space, but they are separated by variances in their vibratory pattern(s):
btw. luvs that Excalibur team feat. They used a portion of Merlyn's power source at the time,
and look at what they were able to accomplished, easily I might add.
matrix-Merlyn baby, don't sleep. ... "cause sleep is the cousin of death"
Originally posted by Galan007
So to achieve that feat, it seems like 71016-Surfer would've *had to* either: create a wormhole to access the specific universe of the Decimators, OR alter his own vibrational pattern to match theirs -- either of which would have allowed for nigh-instantaneous transport to that specific universe....Thoughts?
It seems Stan not only had Surfer (possibly because it's open to interpretation) do it ...
but he definitely had the Adjudicator doing it:
... Reed highlights he's registering it's speed. (so it's traveling)
[img=http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/32699217_Ad1.jpg]
[img=http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/32699218_Ad2.jpg]
... "Adjudicator flashes past entire universeS. ... Not in a spaceship. But propelled by a force" ...
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and, it seems Galactus did it too:
[img=http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/32699219_Ad3.jpg]
[img=http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/32699220_Ad4.jpg]
"Time and Space intermingle as the Galaxies speed by"
Although I'll submit, one could interpret this as at-least a warp drive.
But one could see it as physical travel likewise imo.
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The Adjudicator's feat is without question, the other two, can be debated. (specially Surfer)
But, on the other hand, which is yours,
the fact that Stan described what the Adjudicator did as though it was special,
leans towards the idea that Surfer used a different method, perhaps a more practical method as you're suggesting.
Galactus? well, his take off could easily be perceived as a space warp, (or not) so ...
meh, it's a bit confusing, but I think I agree with you more than not here.
Originally posted by Mr MasterCool beans.
Hey there G, you're totally correct concerning the vibratory separations of universes.btw. luvs that Excalibur team feat. They used a portion of Merlyn's power source at the time,
and look at what they were able to accomplished, easily I might add.matrix-Merlyn baby, don't sleep. ... "cause sleep is the cousin of death"
I agree. ... This is why ol' Stan the man dropped the ball in this story. (or simply confused us)
It seems Stan not only had Surfer (possibly because it's open to interpretation) do it ...
but he definitely had the Adjudicator doing it:
... Reed highlights he's registering it's speed. (so it's traveling)
[img=http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/32699217_Ad1.jpg]
[img=http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/32699218_Ad2.jpg]... "Adjudicator flashes past entire universeS. ... Not in a spaceship. But propelled by a force" ...
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and, it seems Galactus did it too:
[img=http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/32699219_Ad3.jpg]
[img=http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/32699220_Ad4.jpg]"Time and Space intermingle as the Galaxies speed by"
Although I'll submit, one could interpret this as at-least a warp drive.
But one could see it as physical travel likewise imo.---------------------------------------
The Adjudicator's feat is without question, the other two, can be debated. (specially Surfer)
But, on the other hand, which is yours,
the fact that Stan described what the Adjudicator did as though it was special,
leans towards the idea that Surfer used a different method, perhaps a more practical method as you're suggesting.
Galactus? well, his take off could easily be perceived as a space warp, (or not) so ...meh, it's a bit confusing, but I think I agree with you more than not here.
I was just curious more than anything, as the feat didn't mesh with what I know about Marvel's cosmological layout... Even after I went back and reread that comic, lol.
Thanks. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
Cool beans.I was just curious more than anything, as the feat didn't mesh with what I know about Marvel's cosmological layout... Even after I went back and reread that comic, lol.
Thanks. 👆
i'd forgotten all about that arc--off topic but one more example of how ludicrously fast the "speed of thought" can be in the comic world. 👆 yet people still argue that speed of thought can't exceed light in comics because it doesn't make sense. 😂
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