Who wins the race: Surfer vs Flash · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by pym-ftw
at the risk of agreeing with Carver the story & statements are written and then the illustrator gets to work. If anything the illustrator took the feat and f*cked it up by expanding it.

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You should always agree with me. I'm usually right.

Dream Stuff Senior Member

I am satisfied that the flash moved significantly faster than light on panel, that he does so constantly, and that the evacuation feat is legitimate.

I would like to know more about the mention of a portal in the feat where he traveled from the source wall. And why is is wearing that costume?

ares834 Senior Member

Originally posted by pym-ftw
at the risk of agreeing with Carver the story & statements are written and then the illustrator gets to work. If anything the illustrator took the feat and f*cked it up by expanding it.

The illustrator didn't f*** up anything. The writer did by creating two conflicting "statements".

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by ares834
The illustrator didn't f*** up anything. The writer did by creating two conflicting "statements".

That's the beauty of it....its only conflicting if you want it be lol.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I would like to know more about the mention of a portal in the feat where he traveled from the source wall...

There's a portal involved? 😐

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Who ever said Surfer has never crossed galaxies on panel forgot the time he crossed galaxies (plural) in less than a moment.... on panel.

"Galaxies streak past them in a blur"

Crossing half a million light years in less than a moment, before either Surfer or Legacy could even process/comprehend their thoughts.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Crossing half a million light years in less than a moment, before either Surfer or Legacy could even process/comprehend their thoughts.

In your post, I couldn't help but notice Thanos' comment (in your sig) beneath your own. Oh, the irony. 😉

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I am satisfied that the flash moved significantly faster than light on panel, that he does so constantly, and that the evacuation feat is legitimate.
I would like to know more about the mention of a portal in the feat where he traveled from the source wall. And why is is wearing that costume?

Well, do you think Flash runs on vacuum? He always creates a portal to run through these types of things. He was wearing that costume because he was on a black-ops team of JLA at that moment.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Who ever said Surfer has never crossed galaxies on panel forgot the time he crossed galaxies (plural) in less than a moment.... on panel.
[b]"Galaxies streak past them in a blur"
Crossing half a million light years in less than a moment, before either Surfer or Legacy could even process/comprehend their thoughts. [/B]

You're right. I forgot about that feat. I take the galaxies feat and beseech thee outrunning the ****ing big bang to the end of time itself.

http://i.imgur.com/Fj8t3sH.jpg

This whole race shits on anything Surfer has done.

Bentley Seitei

Well, at least they did bring a high speed feat for Surfer. This thread was certainly lacking in the proof side for them.

Obviously Wally remains superior, but it's a sign of good will.

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Originally posted by Bentley
Well, at least they did bring a high speed feat for Surfer. This thread was certainly lacking in the proof side for them.
Obviously Wally remains superior, but it's a sign of good will.

I take it as a personal insult when someone dares suggest my fav character is not top dog.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, do you think Flash runs on vacuum? He always creates a portal to run through these types of things.

So, this portal was not like a wormhole? Because if it is, that means that, technically, the Flash didn't actually run the whole distance. He took, well, a shortcut. But the impression I'm getting is that this "portal" (other than a a poor choice of words) was some kind of energy platform?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Mindship
So, this portal was not like a wormhole? Because if it is, that means that, technically, the Flash didn't actually run the whole distance. He took, well, a shortcut. But the impression I'm getting is that this "portal" (other than a a poor choice of words) was some kind of energy platform?

The same. If it was as easy as creating a wormhole, why the need for him to be converted in pure speed or nearly getting killed?

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I don't think its that quantifiable, tbh. He converted himself to speed in order to open a portal, then ran through it - a good feat, sure, but not in the way its being used here.

The analogy is Midnighter saying 'door', then walking from the Source Wall to Earth.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by carver9
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I won that debate.

How so?

They were carried there....at a hair breadth's short of the speed of light.

Why does this statement invalidate the first statement, where he managed to evacuate the entire city in 0.0001 microseconds?

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I take it as a personal insult when someone dares suggest my fav character is not top dog.

We Kang fans should stick together! 😈

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The same. If it was as easy as creating a wormhole, why the need for him to be converted in pure speed or nearly getting killed?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't think its that quantifiable, tbh. He converted himself to speed in order to open a portal, then ran through it - a good feat, sure, but not in the way its being used here.
The analogy is Midnighter saying 'door', then walking from the Source Wall to Earth.

Let me put it this way, in simplest terms: did Flash run the whole distance? If I had "Flash vision" and watched along his route, would I have seen him? Or did he "disappear" at point A and reappear at point B, close to the source wall? If that's the case, then I don't think this speed feat is legit, even if he opened the portal. It wasn't a straight run.

But I have a feeling I'm missing something.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Mindship
Let me put it this way, in simplest terms: did Flash run the whole distance? If I had "Flash vision" and watched along his route, would I have seen him? Or did he "disappear" at point A and reappear at point B, close to the source wall? If that's the case, then I don't think this speed feat is legit, even if he opened the portal. It wasn't a straight run.
But I have a feeling I'm missing something.

Nah, he definitely ran all the way through. Flash has never used his powers in a teleportation like way under Kelly who wrote both city scene and this scene.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, he definitely ran all the way through. Flash has never used his powers in a teleportation like way under Kelly who wrote both city scene and this scene.

He ran the way through the portal, sure. But did he run the equivalent of 5 billion light years or whatever the distance is from the Source Wall to Earth?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He ran the way through the portal, sure. But did he run the equivalent of 5 billion light years or whatever the distance is from the Source Wall to Earth?

Yes.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

facepalm

Wally didn't OUTRUN the Big Bang. The race created for him and Krakkl by the Gamblers constantly weaved them in and out of space/time at random points.

Instead of turning corners, the race had them turning space/time. That's why he said he was shielding his eyes from the big bang one minute and was racing through the end of the Universe at the next.

It legit makes me mad that I have to elaborate on why that scene isn't him outrunning the Big Bang. Goddamn it, why are some people so stupid? This thread actually pisses me off because it makes me want to argue for Surfer against f*cking Wally.

Well whatever, before people start using that race, I suggest they read Flash #136 to #138. Pretty fun arc but also adds context.