I'm gonna go with QGJ. Kit Fisto's defeat over Grievous Lite, or being a notch above ~AotC Obi-Wan, who's never proven himself to be particularly elite, don't really impress me all that much, and his low showings, such as being defeated by a still pretty green Ventress, and getting annihilated by Sidious, don't really portray him in the greatest light.
QGJ by comparison has been favourably compared to the likes of Anoon Bondara and Mace Windu on numerous occasions in ability with a lightsaber, was considered to be the greatest student of an unnamed lightsaber practitioner in over 400 years of teaching, seemed to generally be held in higher esteem and accomplished greater things, namely the Force Ghost trick. There's also no real shame in losing to Maul.
He strikes me as all around being more impressive, and is slightly underrated imo.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Around AotC Obi-Wan? Did you even read the book?
Yes. Several times. In fact, Obi-Wan pretty much places Fisto on a pedestal, but the guy loses handily to Ventress. Meanwhile, Qui-Gon Jinn sparred with Maul for several minutes before biting the dust, and was considered a peer for Mace Windu or thereabouts. This places him well above Kit "I can kill a non-lethal robot with precog and some mooks" Fisto.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Yes. Several times. In fact, Obi-Wan pretty much places Fisto on a pedestal, but the guy loses handily to Ventress. Meanwhile, Qui-Gon Jinn sparred with Maul for several minutes before biting the dust, and was considered a peer for Mace Windu or thereabouts. This places him well above Kit "I can kill a non-lethal robot with precog and some mooks" Fisto.
Where is it stated Qui-Gon was considered equal to Mace Windu?
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Where is it stated Qui-Gon was considered equal to Mace Windu?
Equal to is misleading. A peer of, or comparative to is more appropriate. Some TPM novelization or supplemental material many years ago. Initially, I didn't approve of the comparison either.
In any case, QGJ did better against Maul than Anoon did, and much better than Fisto did against Ventress. A relatively newbie Ventress at that.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Yes. Several times.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
In fact, Obi-Wan pretty much places Fisto on a pedestal,
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
but the guy loses handily to Ventress.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Meanwhile, Qui-Gon Jinn sparred with Maul for several minutes before biting the dust,
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
and was considered a peer for Mace Windu or thereabouts
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Then why do I need to refresh your memory?
When have you? You haven't posted a single phrase or excerpt from the book, or directly referenced anything in our discussion, merely using the book itself as some kind of self-evident source.
Kenobi himself was musing inferiority to Kit; not only that, but Kit was restraining himself.
Kit Fisto had to restrain himself when they were mock fighting using the light whip, because Kit didn't want to kill Kenobi and vice versa. He's also stated to be a better H2H fighter than Kenobi when they are fighting Ventress' mooks, clearing the way to her faster. Then she puts him on his ass and almost murders Kenobi. And this is all about six months after AOTC.
Let us consider the circumstances. Kit had just fought through an army alongside Obi-Wan, unarmed, giving time for Asajj to study his technique - which she could capitalize on because her chosen form works well against his.
Army? It was like half a dozen mooks of no consequence. None are Force sensitive, and I believe it even has a line about how they are throwing their lives away because they are young thug types.
Also, points to Asajj for Sherlock scanning his fighting style (Form 1, the most basic of styles) in a half minute or less. I think it even talks in this about her hiding her presence from both using the Force and being able to 'dance between rain drops on good days'.
LOL. Is this your argument? The combined might of Jinn and Kenobi were inferior to Maul; he was driving them to a location of his own choice.
Pretty much Maul set the pacing and drove the location to one that best suited him. He is the superior fighter. But Maul didn't murder Jinn in seconds, and Fisto's fight against the inferior Ventress was even less impressive. Let's look at this again:
Kit Fisto has defeated:
1. A JK bot, a non-lethal bot with precog which was found out to largely be a red herring.
2. Some mooks of no value.
3. Lost to Ventress (that doesn't count).
4. Had a good showing against non-Force sensitive Grievous.
False. If not, provide the source.
I looked it up. Power of the Jedi sourcebook:
Qui-Gon Jinn was one of the finest swordsman in the Jedi Order, having frequent sparring experience with many of his equally skilled contemporaries; notably Mace Windu. Indeed it was said that he was the only Jedi apart from his own Master, Dooku and Grand Master Yoda, who was able to fight Windu as an equal.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
When have you? You haven't posted a single phrase or excerpt from the book, or directly referenced anything in our discussion, merely using the book itself as some kind of self-evident source.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Kit Fisto had to restrain himself when they were mock fighting using the light whip, because Kit didn't want to kill Kenobi and vice versa. He's also stated to be a better H2H fighter than Kenobi when they are fighting Ventress' mooks, clearing the way to her faster. Then she puts him on his ass and almost murders Kenobi. And this is all about six months after AOTC.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Army? It was like half a dozen mooks of no consequence. None are Force sensitive, and I believe it even has a line about how they are throwing their lives away because they are young thug types.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Also, points to Asajj for Sherlock scanning his fighting style (Form 1, the most basic of styles) in a half minute or less. I think it even talks in this about her hiding her presence from both using the Force and being able to 'dance between rain drops on good days'.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
But Maul didn't murder Jinn in seconds,
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I looked it up. Power of the Jedi sourcebook:Qui-Gon Jinn was one of the finest swordsman in the Jedi Order, having frequent sparring experience with many of his equally skilled contemporaries; notably Mace Windu. Indeed it was said that he was the only Jedi apart from his own Master, Dooku and Grand Master Yoda, who was able to fight Windu as an equal.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Do you have a page number for that, Moose? That quote has been oft-declared but never provided for years. I'd like to personally verify it.