The Flash

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]My God.....How do you people stand all the EMO on these CW shows!? [/B]

See this is what I don't get when it comes to people and how they view Marvel tv shows vs DC. This isn't specifically about you, but I see people acting like these Marvel shows are so vastly superior but...Jessica Jones was just one big emo fest, right? Daredevil kinda is too. There is always some character feeling sorry for themselves for whatever reason.

Which, sort of like in Flash, they then come up with HILARIOUSLY bad ideas about how to take down villains. I just had to get that off my chest.

What the hell was up with Thawne's voice in this latest episode? Someone give him a damn lozenge.

Also wait why did Barry think giving Iris that video of Eddie would help her move forward? It sounds like the last thing she needs to see is a video of Eddie telling her how awesome she is.

It just seems like the episode was chalk full of bad ideas.

He did say he wanted her to be happy though. Him giving her those well wishes would help her move on, I think.

I guess, though before this I don't think Eddie ever did anything to suggest he wouldn't want her to be happy if something happened to him.

Anyways I'm trying to figure out how the daughter of Dr. Wells is even supporting herself now that she ran away? It's not like she has a bank account on this Earth or anything, how is she getting money?

It also seemed like she got pissed off because her dad said he'd do whatever it takes in order to save his only child. It's not like she discovered he actually murdered people to try to save her. Which he totally did, but she doesn't know that.

Originally posted by Surtur
What the hell was up with Thawne's voice in this latest episode? Someone give him a damn lozenge.

Having adored Tom Cavanaugh in "Ed" (amazing show, btw, if you can ever find it), and on his podcast with Michael Ian Black (they eat snacks and shoot the sh*t...good stuff), his voice in the show irks me. Tom is amazingly animated when he wants to be. But even as Earth-2 Wells, he's stuck in gravelly, gruff, breathy undertones. I like him enough as an actor that I still enjoy his character, but imo he's much more at home as a lighthearted protagonist.

Yeah I used to watch reruns of "Ed" on TBS years ago. I also liked Michael Ian Black in VH1's many "I love the 80s" series(and the 70s and 90s too).

But as for his voice this episode is the first one where it really stood out to me, it never really sounded this bad before. It sounded like he spent the last 10 hours practicing his Christian Bale Batman voice and this is the unholy result.

It is also just weird to me Caitlyn seemingly hasn't mentioned the fact Jay has a doppleganger on Earth 1 to anyone. I think that would of been potentially relevant information given what they recently found out about Jay.

Greeeat episode, well worth the few weeks wait.

So who is the man in the iron mask?

Earth-2 Wally perhaps?

IDK, but the thing Jay did where he convinced an earlier timeline self to be killed in front of everyone to convince them that the Jay they thought they knew had died, was brilliant, as was the setup to try and stop Zoom in this episode. Zoom's origin story was about what I expected though, but guess I still liked it for what it was.

It may have been brilliant, but it was also stupid in a way. Time travel rules are so weird on the Flash.

So Thawne was actually faster than Zoom.

lol True.

Well ya also gotta consider how much Barry improved in speed by this point before he started having Thawne's secret to becoming faster. Based on an earlier analysis showed, it seemed like Zoom and season 1 Thawne were about the same as far as speed, but you could be right that he's a little faster I guess.

Well now we know where his trip to supergirl falls in place at.

I don't watch the Supergirl show (at least, at this time), so how did that work out? 🤨

^ Well minor spoiler

Spoiler:
The tachyon device Barry used increased his speed to the point where he went to Supergirl's universe

Also will either Wally or Jessie get superpowers in the near future because this season's getting close to finishing up right?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
lol True.

Well ya also gotta consider how much Barry improved in speed by this point before he started having Thawne's secret to becoming faster. Based on an earlier analysis showed, it seemed like Zoom and season 1 Thawne were about the same as far as speed, but you could be right that he's a little faster I guess.

Oh. I don't really remember that analysis. Was just basing it on what Zolomon said about speed mirages, and Barry going from a lot slower than Zolomon to a shade faster than him just because of tachyons.

Thawne could make speed mirages, and Zolomon said he wasn't fast enough to make those.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I don't watch the Supergirl show (at least, at this time), so how did that work out? 🤨

He jumps to her universe, helps her fight off Banshee and Livewire, and then he comes back to his universe with her help in the same way he helped Thawne go back to his timeline.

YouTube video

BTW, I don't watch that show either. Really only watched that episode coz of Barry.

I found this episode good, right up until the end, where it just made me facepalm. I can't believe those guys were so idiotic.

Spoiler:
Amped Barry was fast enough to match Zoom one-on-one. The rest of them were standing there heavily armed, guns pointed at him. They'd already gotten Wally out of harm's way. This was literally their best ever shot at permanently stopping Zoom. Even if Barry could just pin him down for a few moments, the others could get off some shots (Killer Frost has tagged Zoom before after all). But instead they decide to give up that advantage, then slowly drain Barry's speed and give it to Zoom, making him more powerful and removing the only person who could stand in his way. And then take the gamble that the sociopath murderer will let them live afterwards, when there is nothing left to stop him? And what did it help? They just exchanged one missing person for another. At least if they had fought they had a shot at winning.

The plot just makes my head hurt, as well as the apparent motivations of the characters. So far this season we have learned that: Jay Garrick is Zoom and always has been Zoom. The "Jay" we saw him kill was his earth 1 version whom he had somehow talked into helping him. Is this correct?

But then our Jay was also Flash on his Earth. So Zoom created a super hero persona for some reason? Why? Or is this sort of like The Sentry and Zoom is just Jay's Void? Did he fight villains as the Flash on his world only so he could send them to fight Barry? But then that would mean he knew the breaches would be created before they were even created.

Both 'Jay Garrick' and 'Zoom' are Hunter Zolomon from Earth-2. The 'Jay' who died in front of Team Flash was a version of Zolomon from his past.

Apparently that version is a 'time remnant' ala Reverse Flash, so killing 'Jay' doesn't wipe out future versions of Hunter Zolomon from the timeline.
Which is so weird.

Oh okay I see now. But that still doesn't explain why Jay/Hunter is both Zoom and yet also became the Flash.