Yeah, that's why I think there is more plot device coming. No way Barry is doubling his speed by the end of this season.
And yeah, I almost expected something like Lance Armstrong's face, or similar, to peek in from off screen and into camera shot when Wells was going on about "shortcuts". 😆
I'm wondering now whether it's the V9 that's making the lightning blue. Because at some point in later seasons Barry will likely surpass Zoom's speed, and then they will have to address the topic.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, that's why I think there is more plot device coming. No way Barry is doubling his speed by the end of this season.And yeah, I almost expected something like Lance Armstrong's face, or similar, to peek in from off screen and into camera shot when Wells was going on about "shortcuts". 😆
I'm wondering now whether it's the V9 that's making the lightning blue. Because at some point in later seasons Barry will likely surpass Zoom's speed, and then they will have to address the topic.
Speed formula perchance?
Didn't Barry already theorise that it was the V9 that was turning Lightning blue at high enough speeds? Future Barry never had blue lightning either, and he should be a good deal faster too.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I like how at the start of the season they say Jay was near the speed of light and now Barry is barely breaking mach 3.
Maybe it's because Zoom is near the speed of light. vin
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yes, well the CW writers fail at science. Barry has handled lightning bolts and blasts from Dr Light, yet they have his top known speed at mach 3.3.
Reminds me of that comic Wally feat where he had to move half a million people 35 km away in only a few picoseconds, and yet he was said to have moved under the speed of light.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I don't think they'll have Barry be as fast as Zoom. They didn't go down that route for Reverse-Flash.Also, I lol'd at the not-so-subtle connotations that V9 had to drugs in Athletics and sports.
Because saving the world is no excuse, gotta keep it clean.
I can only imagine how this show would treat Hourman.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Speed formula perchance?Didn't Barry already theorise that it was the V9 that was turning Lightning blue at high enough speeds? Future Barry never had blue lightning either, and he should be a good deal faster too.
Well, that's what I mean, because they don't really explicitly say it, IIRC. They just said that Trajectory's lightning turned blue when she was at her fastest, right before she disintegrated. And then mentioned that Jay's lightning wasn't blue, but that he wasn't moving as fast as Zoom normally does, when they connect the dots with the illness.
But yeah, I would think it would be the V9 causing the specific change from yellow to blue at high speeds. Maybe it turns blue when it starts becoming unstable? And then the reason Zoom is holding out longer than Trajectory is maybe because he was a speedster beforehand, so at least had the speedforce in him.
Barry and Cisco both postulate that V9 is what turns a speedster's lightning blue before they connect it to the illness and Jay. They do not know it for certain, but given that there does not seem to be anything else in the equation, it seems to be a safe bet.
Yeah, maybe it might not be high speeds exactly, but how much V9 one has taken that turns their lightning blue. Zoom's lightning is always blue, even when he is not moving that fast. Eliza smacked Barry throughout the entire episode, but her lightning did not turn blue until her last dose of V9 at the end.
I too think that Zoom having the Speed Force in him is what has kept him alive for so long, if he is really dying. Makes sense if he needs an unpolluted Speed Force user's speed to cure himself/survive.
The speed inconsistency in this show is a bit baffling though. So Thawne was faster than previous Barry, but not so much faster that he was completely out of his league, based on their end of season 1 clashes. Barry was said to be around 3 to 4 times slower than Zoom at that point. Then Barry shows comparable speed to a younger Thawne in an episode this season, after getting faster, but in the last episode had some issues with his own past self, who should have been way slower than him (probably not even half as fast).
But the real bizarre thing is, knowing all that, now Zoom and Reverse Flash have comparable speed, and both are around 30% faster than Barry? I love this show, but sometimes things really don't make any sense.
Gotta let the power inconsistencies go with something like this. It comes with the territory, and fans commenting on internet forums hold them to far higher standards than most fans do. And, frankly, higher standards than they should hold themselves to. It's too easy to get written into a corner trying to be really accurate. Powers serve the story, not the other way around.
I agree they should have never started quoting exact speeds. But I'm ok with the relative differences between the various speedsters. Nothing's been so outlandish with that that it can't be suspension of deisbelief'd away. This last episode was really interesting, because it seems like they don't want to be done with Thawne, or time travel shenanigans, which I always tend to enjoy.
No, I get it. I've spent a decade on the vs. forum thinking about exactly these types of discrepancies. You just need to be able to shut it off, literally for all media involving powers (comics, movies, TV, etc.), or it can sour the experience. I can be a super-fan that spots the minutia, or I can enjoy myself. At some point I made the decision to do the latter, and it's much easier these days not to care about it. Like, I didn't notice any problems between Barry, Zoom, and Reverse Flash until you mentioned them. For a casual viewing that isn't looking for those things, it's fine.
Yeah, it can be rough. I do still find myself doing the same occasionally, so I understand.
I imagine Supergirl is even worse, what with her having to job for the sake of the story. I don't really watch SG, but the greater the power set, the more likely it is to happen, so my guess is you'd have to reconcile that pretty early on or be tortured constantly by it.
I am just catching up on the latest few episodes. All I can say is that..wasn't the Jay Garrick they knew..in this dimension whilst Barry was fighting Zoom on Earth 2? I understand how a speedster can be in two places at once, but do they think they can also be in two universes at once? Since they'd closed all the breaches except for one before closing the final one, so it's not like you could say Jay left and found a different breach.