Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So if Grodd could find Gypsie then why bring Flash and friends in the first place? I guess he needed Flash to beat up the alpha but couldn't Gypsie had done that via BFR?Also being able to trick Grodd like that when he can read minds is dumb.
The gorillas despite being slow as balls being able to constantly hit Flash, and make shockwaves that reverberate through an entire arena is dumb too. Flash isn't a super smart show.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
It's been alright. A slight step down IMO. Savitar, while powerful and faster than anyone they've faced, just isn't an interesting villain. Still better than anything from Arrow after season 2, but not as good as the first to seasons of Flash.Despite that, it's still fun to watch. The main cast actually really makes this show. They all have chemistry that makes them always fun to watch. That hasn't changed, and has acutally improved IMO. Their relationships have constantly been developing. Plus, this season added Draco Malfoy to the group, who is fking awesome in his typecast dickhead role.
Aside from Damian Darhk (debuted Arrow S4, whose also part of the Legion of Doom now on Legends alongside Reverse Flash and Malcolm Merlyn), I can agree that Savitar's still better than anything from Arrow after S2, but is not saying much.
Other than that, yeah, and glad Grodd's the real deal now.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeYou put into words well. I couldn't put my finger on why it felt so old, but you're right. It's the exact same plot.
Savitar himself is cool; has a nice design and everything, but hasn't had nearly as much screen time to leave behind that much an impact. The main problem is the recycling of the show's formula (baddie whose so much faster than Barry at the start of the season, kills someone close to Barry, and Barry becomes faster by the end) which has gotten old now. Yeah, we're still only in the middle of S3, but Savitar might end up killing Iris for real, and future Barry ends up punking Savitar apparently... Not sure Wally will get to do that much this season since he's still a rookie.Aside from Damian Darhk (debuted Arrow S4, whose also part of the Legion of Doom now on Legends alongside Reverse Flash and Malcolm Merlyn), I can agree that Savitar's still better than anything from Arrow after S2, but is not saying much.
Other than that, yeah, and glad Grodd's the real deal now.
And I didn't mean Savitar is better than all the other post S2 villains, I meant that the season as a whole is better than all the post S2 seasons.
Agreed, Grodd is fking awesome. I hope for more in store with him. I want a Grodd centered season eventually
Originally posted by KingD19
The gorillas despite being slow as balls being able to constantly hit Flash, and make shockwaves that reverberate through an entire arena is dumb too. Flash isn't a super smart show.
Remember though, when Flash first fought Grodd and tried to do his speed punch thing, Grodd was able to turn and react to him and grab him.
But yeah, this is to be expected though on a show where the guys main power is super speed. He is going to get hit. Sort of like he has shown, when he wants, he can move fast enough to blitz a normal human before they can react. Yet, most villains tend to always have that moment where he tries something like that and they are able to activate their power before he gets to them. We saw this with the Turtle.
Also notice how it seemed to take much longer for Barry to be able to hurl some lightning this time around?
Yeah, when there is no plot reason for it not to happen, he blitzes people without enhanced speed/reflexes all the time. He's blitzed countless random enemies at this point (even taking out a hundred metas from Zoom's army, in a few seconds, at the end of season two), but the main villains of the week get plot armour, so that they don't get beaten within the first second of a fight. A perfect example being the exact same episode I mentioned already. Barry takes out a hundred random metahumans without breaking a sweat. Then has trouble with Black Siren alone later in the same episode.
Basically their plan for stopping Savitar from killing Iris is to change a bunch of newspaper headlines, like if they can stop The Lakers from winning by 7 points then Savitar is screwed. Can't wait for the season finale where they prevent two 9-year old boys from rescuing a dog stuck in a drain. Personally I think it'll turn out to be an alternate universe Iris who is evil, or a clone, or a robot, or a shape-shifter.
Originally posted by samhain
Basically their plan for stopping Savitar from killing Iris is to change a bunch of newspaper headlines, like if they can stop The Lakers from winning by 7 points then Savitar is screwed. Can't wait for the season finale where they prevent two 9-year old boys from rescuing a dog stuck in a drain. Personally I think it'll turn out to be an alternate universe Iris who is evil, or a clone, or a robot, or a shape-shifter.
haha I do like the alt Iris idea. also they already figured out the future timeline can be changed so watching/changing news stories (which what the original thawne did) seems kinda played out and redundant to me. they could always just vibe her to another dimension that day.
Originally posted by Kento
To distinguish the differences between Batman and Superman... I mean Arrow and Flash.
That generally tends to work better when Flash hasn't actually killed anyone before. He zapped Sand Demon and shattered him into little pieces, and the team literally irradiated Atom Smasher's body until he overloaded and died. Guess the writers are hoping that fans can't remember back to season two.
Yeah, Savitar was great in this episode. He showed a lot more depth as a character than he had previously. I have to laugh at typical The Flash plot-based power fluctuations though. Previously, Barry was nowhere near fast enough to keep up with him, but their gap in speed seems to have taken a dramatic nosedive.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, Savitar was great in this episode. He showed a lot more depth as a character than he had previously. I have to laugh at typical The Flash plot-based power fluctuations though. Previously, Barry was nowhere near fast enough to keep up with him, but their gap in speed seems to have taken a dramatic nosedive.
The reason for that was explained. Previously Savitar was in the speed force. So the perceived speed was just him hopping in and out of it. Now he's confined to the material universe like Barry. Makes sense that his speed wouldn't be the same.
A show like this will have random variance all the time to serve the plot. But this wasn't one of those times.
Originally posted by Digi
The reason for that was explained. Previously Savitar was in the speed force. So the perceived speed was just him hopping in and out of it. Now he's confined to the material universe like Barry. Makes sense that his speed wouldn't be the same.A show like this will have random variance all the time to serve the plot. But this wasn't one of those times.
It still doesn't quite track with the actual fights. Like when he fought Jay Garrick Flash, it didn't seem like it was just hopping from point to point (like when he was dragging Barry across the city). He legit seemed to just be moving a lot more quickly. But it's not like I have a big gripe about it in anyways. It kind of makes sense that there shouldn't be too much of a gap, considering future Flash defeats him and, based on what Savitar said, actually chose to spare his life. It's just a bit jarring that the main villain isn't massively faster than Barry is up until some plot change right at the end of the season. 😆