Originally posted by Firefly218
Thor got his ass beat by Kurse and he had his Mjolnir too.
Hulk > Kurse when pissed off, and in the Avengers he wasn't legitimately pissed off, just angry. If Betty Ross gets killed though, watch the **** out, Hulk will be pissed
Hulk was completely pissed off in his Avengers fight because he was no longer able to tell friend from foe. That means THor already fought one of the strongest incarnations of Hulk... and was doing pretty good.
Kurse is a trained and skilled fighter even before he became Kurse. Kurse > Hulk.
Anyway, figh will be close.... but Thor probably wins scenario 1 and loses scenario 2.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Hulk was completely pissed off in his Avengers fight because he was no longer able to tell friend from foe. That means THor already fought one of the strongest incarnations of Hulk... and was doing pretty good.
That's bullshit. Hulk would be ferociously pissed off if he thought Thor killed Betty Ross. Hulk's strength increases in proportion to his anger level. There is no ****in way Hulk was more angry in the Avengers scene than he would be had Betty Ross been murdered.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Kurse is a trained and skilled fighter even before he became Kurse. Kurse > Hulk.
That's an assumption on your part. Regardless, Kurse's strength is definite, Hulk's strength/durability is theoretically limitless. In this scenario, Hulk would be extremely pissed off, and therefore incredibly strong. Hulk's sheer potential in terms of strength and durability easily overcomes Kurse's "supposed" skill.
Originally posted by Firefly218
That's bullshit. Hulk would be ferociously pissed off if he thought Thor killed Betty Ross. Hulk's strength increases in proportion to his anger level. There is no ****in way Hulk was more angry in the Avengers scene than he would be had Betty Ross been murdered.That's an assumption on your part. Regardless, Kurse's strength is definite, Hulk's strength/durability is theoretically limitless. In this scenario, Hulk would be extremely pissed off, and therefore incredibly strong. Hulk's sheer potential in terms of strength and durability easily overcomes Kurse's "supposed" skill.
Banner's emotions were being manipulated by Loki, making him loss control. In both Avengers and Incredible Hulk, Hulk has always been able to maintain enough self control that he didn't hurt friends or innocents. Except in that instance where he was ready to kill BW. That makes him the most pissed off version of Hulk we've ever seen on film.
As for Kurse's fighting skill, let me put it to you this way. Thor easily ducked, dodged, and blocked Hulk's punches. Kurse easily blocked Thor's punches. Kurse also was able to slap away Mjolnir with his back turned. Now tell me you think Hulk is just as skilled as Kurse.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Banner's emotions were being manipulated by Loki, making him loss control. In both Avengers and Incredible Hulk, Hulk has always been able to maintain enough self control that he didn't hurt friends or innocents. Except in that instance where he was ready to kill BW. That makes him the most pissed off version of Hulk we've ever seen on film.As for Kurse's fighting skill, let me put it to you this way. Thor easily ducked, dodged, and blocked Hulk's punches. Kurse easily blocked Thor's punches. Kurse also was able to slap away Mjolnir with his back turned. Now tell me you think Hulk is just as skilled as Kurse.
I seriously doubt Hulk would have killed BW, but that's besides the point. If Banner thought Betty Ross was murdered by Thor, we would see a Hulk transformation of an extraordinary magnitude. There is no question that Hulk would be much, much, much angrier than he is in the Avengers scene. This means Hulk would be way stronger and way more durable than he was in the Avengers scene. There really would be no way for Thor to damage Hulk when he's that pissed off.
Also I never stated that Hulk was as skilled as Kurse. re-read the previous post.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I seriously doubt Hulk would have killed BW, but that's besides the point. If Banner thought Betty Ross was murdered by Thor, we would see a Hulk transformation of an extraordinary magnitude. There is no question that Hulk would be much, much, much angrier than he is in the Avengers scene. This means Hulk would be way stronger and way more durable than he was in the Avengers scene. There really would be no way for Thor to damage Hulk when he's that pissed off.Also I never stated that Hulk was as skilled as Kurse. re-read the previous post.
All you have to base this on is assumption. You have no proof that getting Betty killed will make Hulk any angrier than he already was after being manipulated by Loki. All I know is, Hulk was unable to differentiate friend from foe there, unlike in IH when Abom threatened Betty's life, Hulk still new friend from foe.
Hulk's anger after all is not limitless.
In the comics, the angriest Hulk ever got was when Jean Grey tampered with his psyche to remove his anger-cap and allow him to get angry enough to shatter Onslaught's helm. That just proves that comic Hulk does have a limit to his anger. And movie Hulk < comic Hulk.
It's a fact that Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. Its common sense that Betty Ross's murder would exemplify that already present anger. Therefore, it's plausible that Hulk would be much angrier than he was in the Avengers scene. Especially considering that the death of Betty Ross is the worst thing that could happen to Banner.
I mean Hulk's anger is theoretically limitless.
Comics are irrelevant to this thread. Movie Hulk has no bearing to comic Hulk in terms of canon
Originally posted by Firefly218
It's a fact that Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. Its common sense that Betty Ross's murder would exemplify that already present anger. Therefore, it's plausible that Hulk would be much angrier than he was in the Avengers scene. Especially considering that the death of Betty Ross is the worst thing that could happen to Banner.I mean Hulk's anger is theoretically limitless.
Comics are irrelevant to this thread. Movie Hulk has no bearing to comic Hulk in terms of canon
Last time I checked, unlimited anger was not part of Hulk's super powers. Yes, he gets stronger the angrier he gets, but as far as we know he can get about as angry as a normal person can... which means there's a limit. If you can give me one proof that mentions how he's capable of limitless anger, then I'll agree with you.
How much angrier can he get from mindless anger like he was in Avengers? Sure killing Betty might make him angrier than that, but will it be by a lot? I doubt it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Last time I checked, unlimited anger was not part of Hulk's super powers. Yes, he gets stronger the angrier he gets, but as far as we know he can get about as angry as a normal person can... which means there's a limit. If you can give me one proof that mentions how he's capable of limitless anger, then I'll agree with you.How much angrier can he get from mindless anger like he was in Avengers? Sure killing Betty might make him angrier than that, but will it be by a lot? I doubt it.
'Limitless' is hyperbole. I don't literally mean anger can be limitless.
The death of Betty Ross is a far bigger provoker than Loki playing mind games. Far bigger. Huge margin