Thor vs. Avengers Hulk Rematch

Originally posted by Firefly218
Good point. I'm not sure.

I seem to remember Banner saying that he's always angry. Maybe when he hits an anger threshold he becomes Hulk, which would suggest that the angrier he gets, the Hulkier he gets.

Originally posted by Robtard
It has, since the 2008 Ed Norton Hulk is the same Hulk in Avengers.

The more angry, stressed and/or butthurt Hulk gets, the stronger he gets.

No. It hasn't been made official yet anywhere in the MCU that Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder (with the exception of his initial change). So there's no point in speculating or grasping at straws. Comic book rules don't automatically apply here. Wait for it to be made official in the movie Universe before you use it as an argument. In the mean time, it's an invalid argument.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor was getting worked by the end of that fight.

Just because he was losing at the point the fight came to a halt doesn't mean he would lose. You don't just count who was getting more hits in the last seconds of a boxing match before the bell rings. You count the whole fight. And for the majority of this fight Hulk was getting worked by Thor.

Hulk wins both.

LOL!!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No. It hasn't been made official yet anywhere in the MCU that Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder (with the exception of his initial change). So there's no point in speculating or grasping at straws. Comic book rules don't automatically apply here. Wait for it to be made official in the movie Universe before you use it as an argument. In the mean time, it's an invalid argument.

Just because he was losing at the point the fight came to a halt doesn't mean he would lose. You don't just count who was getting more hits in the last seconds of a boxing match before the bell rings. You count the whole fight. And for the majority of this fight Hulk was getting worked by Thor.

How was Hulk getting worked? Thor hits him with a flight hammer sneak attack shot (when he saved BW). Hulk gets up, start swinging at Thor, Thor blocks his punch and then he get punched through a wall. Hulk then charge Thor and Thor uppercuts him with hammer shot. After this, Hulk takes over. Thor throws his hammer and Hulk caught it. Hulk then tries to lift the hammer up not realizing he is in a fight. Thor walks over and knee a Hulk that is trying to lift his hammer. Thor gets slammed through the ceiling. Hulk pick him up, throws him against a table. Walks up to him, slam him against the same table (this part was shown outside from the flight attendance eyes. Hulk walks over, grab Thor and throws him across the room. He then proceeds to walk over to Thor but then get shot at.

You're forgetting that the only reason the Hulk was able to grab him was that Thor climbed on the Hulk's back in order to choke him into submission rather than risk damaging the helicarrier in an all out brawl

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're forgetting that the only reason the Hulk was able to grab him was that Thor climbed on the Hulk's back in order to choke him into submission rather than risk damaging the helicarrier in an all out brawl

Him shooting the type of lightning he shot at Ironman wouldn't have damaged the hellcarrier.

Originally posted by carver9
Him shooting the type of lightning he shot at Ironman wouldn't have damaged the hellcarrier.

Seeing as they were inside the helicarrier and thus the summoned lightning would have needed to blast through several levels to get to him....I don't see how that wouldn't have damaged the ship.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Seeing as they were inside the helicarrier and thus the summoned lightning would have needed to blast through several levels to get to him....I don't see how that wouldn't have damaged the ship.

Instead of trying to choke Hulk, why not blast him.? His hammer shots seems more effective anyways.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No. It hasn't been made official yet anywhere in the MCU that Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder (with the exception of his initial change). So there's no point in speculating or grasping at straws. Comic book rules don't automatically apply here. Wait for it to be made official in the movie Universe before you use it as an argument. In the mean time, it's an invalid argument.

Just because he was losing at the point the fight came to a halt doesn't mean he would lose. You don't just count who was getting more hits in the last seconds of a boxing match before the bell rings. You count the whole fight. And for the majority of this fight Hulk was getting worked by Thor.

Its not official, but it's heavily implied. Also it's integral to the character of Hulk in the comics, upon which the movie is based. Unless specified otherwise, it's only normal to assume movie hulk is the same character as comic hulk.

Comics are still irrelevant when it comes to character feats and storylines.

BTW, Hulk was not getting worked over in that fight

Originally posted by carver9
Instead of trying to choke Hulk, why not blast him.? His hammer shots seems more effective anyways.

Thor isn't the sharpest tool in the shed /:

Originally posted by carver9
Instead of trying to choke Hulk, why not blast him.? His hammer shots seems more effective anyways.

His hammer shots were sending the Hulk flying, which in turn was causing more damage to the helicarrier and again they were inside, summoning lightning would have damaged the ship.

Did you even watch the movie?

Originally posted by Silent Master
His hammer shots were sending the Hulk flying, which in turn was causing more damage to the helicarrier and again they were inside, summoning lightning would have damaged the ship.

Did you even watch the movie?

Yes I watched the movie and Thor lightning attacks wasn't as devistating as you are trying to make it out to be.

What instance are you talking about that makes you think he would have destroyed the hellicarrier with his lightning attack?

Originally posted by carver9
Yes I watched the movie and Thor lightning attacks wasn't as devistating as you are trying to make it out to be.

What instance are you talking about that makes you think he would have destroyed the hellicarrier with his lightning attack?

You don't think lightning capable of charging Tony's armor to 475% is powerful?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor wins 1, loses 2.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Thor's hardest hit with Mjolnir did nothing but make Hulk angrier. If you go back and watch the scene, Thor was actually harmed while Hulk was unscathed.

YouTube video

Also you can clearly see Hulk was not at his anger potential

Originally posted by carver9
How was Hulk getting worked?

Points wise it goes to Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor hits him with a flight hammer sneak attack shot (when he saved BW).

Just to save BW mind you. He had no intention at that point of actually hurting Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk gets up, start swinging at Thor, Thor blocks his punch and then he get punched through a wall.

Wrong. Hulk swings at Thor, and Thor dodges his punch. Then Thor hits Hulk.

-Legitimate Point to Thor.

Next Thor is blocking Hulk's next punch while trying to convince Hulk to calm down. But Hulk ignores him and unexpectedly punches him.

-Cheap point to Hulk. (And the last point he gets until the end of the fight).

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk then charge Thor and Thor uppercuts him with hammer shot.

2nd legitimate Point to Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
After this, Hulk takes over.

Yeah if you ignore the next 30 seconds of the fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor throws his hammer and Hulk caught it.

Caught it? Lol he falls to the floor with it because he can't carry it.

- 3rd Legitimate point to Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk then tries to lift the hammer up not realizing he is in a fight.

Doesn't realize he's in a fight? Lol Does Hulk suffer from sudden amnesia? Mind you it is possible Thor just hit him that hard!

Originally posted by carver9
Thor walks over and knee a Hulk that is trying to lift his hammer.

Yep

-4th point to Thor.

Then Thor starts Choking Hulk with Mjolnir.

- 5th point to Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor gets slammed through the ceiling.

They both fall when they go through the ceiling. Hulk had no choice to get Thor off him. But Hulk gets up first which is why he gets the next point.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk pick him up, throws him against a table. Walks up to him, slam him against the same table (this part was shown outside from the flight attendance eyes. Hulk walks over, grab Thor and throws him across the room. He then proceeds to walk over to Thor but then get shot at.

These were the only real points Hulk gets. He grabs him and slams him and then throws him. I can give him 2 points for that- 3 Max!

So even if I'm generous and give Hulk a massive 3 points for those last hits, and then be even more generous and give Hulk a point for his Cheap shot, then that's a total of 4 points to Hulk. Whilst Thor has an easy legitimate 5 points in that fight without including his own cheap shot which was just to save BW.

Just because Hulk was getting most his points at the end of the fight by no way means he won the fight. Fact is Thor was winning for the majority of the fight.

Originally posted by carver9

What instance are you talking about that makes you think he would have destroyed the hellicarrier with his lightning attack?

The fact that his Lightning shots have destroyed entire landscapes makes it clear it would have destroyed the Hellicarrier. Thor clearly didn't bring his most powerful Exotic attacks to that fight. In fact he never once even charges his Hammer while hitting Hulk with it.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Its not official, but it's heavily implied.

Is it really? Because I've also been on the look out for those implications, but we've been given nothing clear on the subject. Not in the MCU.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Also it's integral to the character of Hulk in the comics, upon which the movie is based. Unless specified otherwise, it's only normal to assume movie hulk is the same character as comic hulk.

Comics are still irrelevant when it comes to character feats and storylines.

Weren't you just arguing in the other thread that Comic abilities don't count on this forum.

In any case they don't. They are just things us fans know to look out for. Which is why I've always been on the look out for that particular point in TIH and The Avengers, but it was never shown, stated or implied to a sufficient enough level.

Hopefully it will be stated in Avengers 2, but until then it can't be used as some fact in the Movie versus forum.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Points wise it goes to Thor.

Point wise is mostly irrelevant. Real fights aren't Olympic sparring matches. Hulk's punch did more damage and the end of the fight has him tossing Thor around like a doll. Hulk was winning the fight.

Now admittedly, that doesn't mean Hulk would win a fight against Thor as Thor didn't use all of his abilties.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Is it really? Because I've also been on the look out for those implications, but we've been given nothing clear on the subject. Not in the MCU.

Weren't you just arguing in the other thread that Comic abilities don't count on this forum.

In any case they don't. They are just things us fans know to look out for. Which is why I've always been on the look out for that particular point in TIH and The Avengers, but it was never shown, stated or implied to a sufficient enough level.

Hopefully it will be stated in Avengers 2, but until then it can't be used as some fact in the Movie versus forum.

In TIH and the Avengers we can see Hulk getting angrier during fights, but your right in that there is no clear implication that anger positively correlates with strength.

I guess until it's made official in the MCU my argument is pretty much irrelevant. 🙁

On the other side, however, you can't claim Thor was holding back, as there was no "official" implication that he was pulling punches. The point stands that Hulk was beating Thor like a rag-doll.

Originally posted by Firefly218
In TIH and the Avengers we can see Hulk getting angrier during fights, but your right in that there is no clear implication that anger positively correlates with strength.

I guess until it's made official in the MCU my argument is pretty much irrelevant. 🙁

On the other side, however, you can't claim Thor was holding back, as there was no "official" implication that he was pulling punches. The point stands that Hulk was beating Thor like a rag-doll.

Actually we can state that Thor was holding back, all we have to do is compare his actions in the Hulk fight with those from all his other fights.