Thor vs. Avengers Hulk Rematch

Originally posted by ares834
Point wise is mostly irrelevant. Real fights aren't Olympic sparring matches. Hulk's punch did more damage and the end of the fight has him tossing Thor around like a doll. Hulk was winning the fight.

It's relevant because the fight was stopped in the middle.

Not sure Hulk did more damage to Thor with the exception of the bloody nose which came from the cheap shot when Thor was trying to talk to Hulk.

The tossing Thor around part was the only time Hulk was really winning the whole fight.

Originally posted by Firefly218
In TIH and the Avengers we can see Hulk getting angrier during fights, but your right in that there is no clear implication that anger positively correlates with strength.

I guess until it's made official in the MCU my argument is pretty much irrelevant. 🙁

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I actually want it confirmed on screen myself!

Originally posted by Firefly218
[B]On the other side, however, you can't claim Thor was holding back, as there was no "official" implication that he was pulling punches.

Except that he wasn't using half the powers he's displayed in the movie-verse. Granted he may have been holding back due to CIS (Character Induced Stupidity) which is the characters own fault. But it could have also been to protect the hellicarrier. Either way he didn't use his full power set.

Originally posted by Firefly218
The point stands that Hulk was beating Thor like a rag-doll.

At one point in the fight, yes. But there were other points when Thor was humiliating Hulk, by evading all Hulk's hits, whilst getting his own clean shots in on Hulk.

But to both of you: Yes I admit Hulk appeared to be winning at the end of the fight. All I'm saying is:

1) Thor clearly didn't give Hulk his full mojo
2) Thor was still outclassing Hulk for a good portion of the fight.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's relevant because the fight was stopped in the middle.

Not sure Hulk did more damage to Thor with the exception of the bloody nose which came from the cheap shot when Thor was trying to talk to Hulk.

The tossing Thor around part was the only time Hulk was really winning the whole fight.

It isn't relevant though... And Hulk was winning at the end of the fight. Utterly winning BTW. Thor is getting tossed around and appears to be defenseless and in pain.

The few hits Thor got are of virtually no consequence. Only one hit (the hammer strike to the face) seemed to do anything more than cause Hulk some minor irritation.

Originally posted by ares834
It isn't relevant though... And Hulk was winning at the [B]end of the fight. Utterly winning BTW. Thor is getting tossed around and appears to be defenseless and in pain.

The few hits Thor got are of virtually no consequence. Only one hit (the hammer strike to the face) seemed to do anything more than cause Hulk some minor irritation. [/B]

It's relevant because they weren't able to FINISH the fight. The fight was interrupted, and you don't judge the "winner" of the fight by the person who put in the last blow when you were interrupted. You judge by who was the more dominant fighter. Had the fight been interrupted right after the mjolnir uppercut, would you then say that Thor won that match? That's silly. We don't know who would have won that match.

And no, there was no indication that Thor clearly was in pain. After getting slammed and thrown Thor was easily able to get back up a few secs later without any indication of pain or injury.

And Hulk wasn't "throwing him around like a ragdoll". Hulk picked him up, slammed him on the ground, and threw him on the wall. Don't know why people keep trying to exaggerate this. Hulk punched Thor once via cheapshot. Thor on the other hand hit Hulk with a right cross, ducked Hulk's punch, blocked his hammer fist, gave him a mjolnir uppercut, kneed him to the face, and put him in a chokehold.

And in the end, neither was any worse for wear. And when that happens in a fight, when there's no knockout or tap out, you judge by points (or by who was more dominant in the fight) and Thor clearly has more of that.

Point is, unless the fight was allowed to finish, we really don't know who would have won. We do know however that a.) Thor won on points, b.) Hulk is unable to hit Thor unless via cheapshot or when Thor is off his feet, c.) Thor wasn't using his full powerset.

It's funny how Thor completely dominates 3/4th of the fight and then Hulk is finally able to slam Thor once and throw him against the wall and all of a sudden people think Hulk won that fight. These Hulk fanboys I tell you...

Originally posted by ares834
It isn't relevant though... And Hulk was winning at the [B]end of the fight. Utterly winning BTW. Thor is getting tossed around and appears to be defenseless and in pain.

The few hits Thor got are of virtually no consequence. Only one hit (the hammer strike to the face) seemed to do anything more than cause Hulk some minor irritation. [/B]

Hulk had the edge when the fight was interrupted, but for most of the fight Thor had the advantage, plus it's not like the Hulk was hurting Thor so badly that it would have been impossible for the fight to continue.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's relevant because they weren't able to FINISH the fight. The fight was interrupted, and you don't judge the "winner" of the fight by the person who put in the last blow when you were interrupted. You judge by who was the more dominant fighter. Had the fight been interrupted right after the mjolnir uppercut, would you then say that Thor won that match? That's silly. We don't know who would have won that match.

And no, there was no indication that Thor clearly was in pain. After getting slammed and thrown Thor was easily able to get back up a few secs later without any indication of pain or injury.

And Hulk wasn't "throwing him around like a ragdoll". Hulk picked him up, slammed him on the ground, and threw him on the wall. Don't know why people keep trying to exaggerate this. Hulk punched Thor once via cheapshot. Thor on the other hand hit Hulk with a right cross, ducked Hulk's punch, blocked his hammer fist, gave him a mjolnir uppercut, kneed him to the face, and put him in a chokehold.

And in the end, neither was any worse for wear. And when that happens in a fight, when there's no knockout or tap out, you judge by points (or by who was more dominant in the fight) and Thor clearly has more of that.

Point is, unless the fight was allowed to finish, we really don't know who would have won. We do know however that a.) Thor won on points, b.) Hulk is unable to hit Thor unless via cheapshot or when Thor is off his feet, c.) Thor wasn't using his full powerset.

It's funny how Thor completely dominates 3/4th of the fight and then Hulk is finally able to slam Thor once and throw him against the wall and all of a sudden people think Hulk won that fight. These Hulk fanboys I tell you...

Points are irrelevant. The number of times Thor hit Hulk is irrelevant. It is clear that Hulk is virtually unscathed at the end of the fight. That's a testament to Hulk's durability. We're not arguing that Hulk is skilled enough to dodge Thor's punches, we're arguing that Hulk can absorb Thor's strongest hits while Thor can't take Hulk's strongest hits.

Thor may have gotten more "points" when it comes to hits, but the hits were shrugged off by Hulk, so they are irrelevent.

Hulk's hits actually hurt Thor.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Points are irrelevant. The number of times Thor hit Hulk is irrelevant. It is clear that Hulk is virtually unscathed at the end of the fight. That's a testament to Hulk's durability. We're not arguing that Hulk is skilled enough to dodge Thor's punches, we're arguing that Hulk can absorb Thor's strongest hits while Thor can't take Hulk's strongest hits.

Thor may have gotten more "points" when it comes to hits, but the hits were shrugged off by Hulk, so they are irrelevent.

Hulk's hits actually hurt Thor.

Thor was virtually unscathed as well. Had Thor been damaged or hurt then you'd have a point. But at the end of the fight, both combatants were very much still hail and hearty.

Again I repeat, Thor was easily able to get back up after getting slammed by Hulk. Show me where he was "hurt" from that.

Thor was hurt by Hulk's sucker punch, but Hulk was also hurt after the Mjolnir uppercut. Stop being biased.

So if I punch Hulk 50 times in the face, and he has no injury whatsoever - then he lightly smacks me and I go into a coma, does that mean I beat him?

I got more hit points than Hulk

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor was virtually unscathed as well. Had Thor been damaged or hurt then you'd have a point. But at the end of the fight, both combatants were very much still hail and hearty.

Thor can't take Hulks hits? Your basing this on what? Thor was about as dazed after Hulk's sucker punch as Hulk was dazed after the Mjolnir uppercut. Only difference is Thor had a very slight nosebleed. That's not enough to give Hulk the win.

Hulk made Thor bleed and wince in pain with his strongest hit

Thor's strongest hit disoriented Hulk for 2 seconds and just made him mad

It seems that Hulk has much better durability than Thor.

Originally posted by Firefly218
So if I punch Hulk 50 times in the face, and he has no injury whatsoever - then he lightly smacks me and I go into a coma, does that mean I beat him?

I got more hit points than Hulk

If I punch Hulk 50 times in the face and he has no injury whatsoever, and then he lightly smacks me once and I also have no injury whatsoever, then yeah, I won that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's funny how Thor completely dominates 3/4th of the fight and then Hulk is finally able to slam Thor once and throw him against the wall and all of a sudden people think Hulk won that fight. These Hulk fanboys I tell you...

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Thor never dominated the fight. He got a few jabs in that did virtually nothing to the Hulk. The only domination in that fight happened at the end when Hulk tossed Thor around like a doll.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Hulk had the edge when the fight was interrupted, but for most of the fight Thor had the advantage, plus it's not like the Hulk was hurting Thor so badly that it would have been impossible for the fight to continue.

Perhaps. However, when the fight was interrupted, Thor was weaponless, on the ground, and in what appears to be pain.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Hulk made Thor bleed and wince in pain with his strongest hit

Thor's strongest hit disoriented Hulk for 2 seconds and just made him mad

It seems that Hulk has much better durability than Thor.

Hulk's punch disoriented Thor and gave him a slightly bloody nose (it wasn't even continuously bleeding and you could barely see blood).

Thor's Mjolnir uppercut disoriented Hulk and dazed him.

Both were hurt by those hits. You'd have to be completely blind to think Hulk wasn't hurt there.

The difference lies in that Hulk was able to punch Thor while Thor was talking whereas Thor hit Hulk as Hulk was charging.

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Iron Man got more points guys! He won this fight!

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Originally posted by ares834
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Thor never dominated the fight. He got a few jabs in that did virtually nothing to the Hulk. The only domination in that fight happened at the end when Hulk tossed Thor around like a doll.

Perhaps. However, when the fight was interrupted, Thor was weaponless, on the ground, and in what appears to be pain.

Watch the fight again. And tell me Thor wasn't dominating. Show me proof that Thor was "in pain" at the end of the fight, because we never see it.

Originally posted by ares834
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Iron Man got more points guys! He won this fight!

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The difference with this fight is that IM's suit was actually getting damaged.

Both Thor and Hulk OTOH were undamaged.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Except that he wasn't using half the powers he's displayed in the movie-verse. Granted he may have been holding back due to CIS (Character Induced Stupidity) which is the characters own fault. But it could have also been to protect the hellicarrier. Either way he didn't use his full power set.

Yes, but there is no "official" implication that Thor was holding back. For all we know, Thor didn't use his full range of powers because he didn't feel like it.

Any argument suggesting Thor was holding back would be based on assumption. Rightful assumption, but still assumption. Just like Hulk getting stronger as he gets angrier is an assumption.

Originally posted by ares834
Perhaps. However, when the fight was interrupted, Thor was weaponless, on the ground, and in what appears to be pain.

Thor can summon Mjolnir and he didn't look to be in pain or injured, hell Thor could have summoned Mjolnir so that it'd hit the Hulk on it's way back to him...just like he did in the Destroyer fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Watch the fight again. And tell me Thor wasn't dominating. Show me proof that Thor was "in pain" at the end of the fight, because we never see it.

You mean when he is on his back grimacing.....

Originally posted by Firefly218
Yes, but there is no "official" implication that Thor was holding back. For all we know, Thor didn't use his full range of powers because he didn't feel like it.

Any argument suggesting Thor was holding back would be based on assumption. Rightful assumption, but still assumption. Just like Hulk getting stronger as he gets angrier is an assumption.

So Thor trying to reason with Hulk is something he would do if he was going full out? Right...

Lol at Thor trying to reason with Hulk When he literally tried to choke him and hit him with a full on uppercut. Hulk was the dominate one in that fight. Hell, the first punch Hulk landed on Thor took it's toll. Don't see how Thor would have gotten out of the situation he was in during the end of the fight. Hulk was throwing Thor everywhere and if Thor was capable of getting out of this position, it would have happened during the time he was thrown against the table, slammed against the table again, thrown across room. What more did Hulk have to do before Thor took it offensively? Darth, your post wasn't worth responding to because it was full of myths.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The difference with this fight is that IM's suit was actually getting damaged.

Both Thor and Hulk OTOH were undamaged.

Bloody nose.