Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When was this mentioned?As a matter of fact, how does that even make sense since we know certain durable species like giants have spells just bounce off of them not to mention pretty much all solid objects of sufficient durability?
Thor would shrug off any spell from the Harry Potter Universe with ease. WITH EASE.
Not to mention that Thor's armor is rather durable.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Hulk was unable to increase his strength even when he was getting beat up by Abom. He was unable to get stronger even when he was about to get killed. He only got angrier when Betty was threatened. Are we to assume then that Hulk is at constant anger/strength regardless of what happens to him unless Betty is threatened?
He overpowered Abomination at the end. What are you talking about?. I swear you all need glasses or something. Like, bifocals.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Hulk was unable to increase his strength even when he was getting beat up by Abom. He was unable to get stronger even when he was about to get killed. He only got angrier when Betty was threatened. Are we to assume then that Hulk is at constant anger/strength regardless of what happens to him unless Betty is threatened?
Now you're just trolling. He was being over powered by the Abomination, and then he got angry when the love of his life was threatened, which allowed him to increase his strength. I understand that you do not want to concede the point, but don't expect other people to fall for this BS routine brother. The Hulk clearly got strong enough to defeat someone that was greater than he was at his base levels.
You can agree to disagree if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that the Hulk got stronger due to his rage. For every action there is an equal reaction was the premise behind his strength spurt. You basically answered your own question on this. I won't get away from what I said before this to cater to the strawman tactic that you just mounted. It is what it is. The Hulk becomes stronger with rage. If not, Bruce Banner wouldn't have even turned into the Hulk in the first place, and you will never convince me that the guys that created the character, somehow forgot how his power set works. This may work on others, but come on man.
You saw what I saw on screen, Abomination was meant to be greater than the Hulk. And, he was until the Hulk became strong enough to turn the tables on him. End of discussion. Movie Hulk gets/got stronger with rage.
Originally posted by Stoic
Now you're just trolling. He was being over powered by the Abomination, and then he got angry when the love of his life was threatened, which allowed him to increase his strength. I understand that you do not want to concede the point, but don't expect other people to fall for this BS routine brother. The Hulk clearly got strong enough to defeat someone that was greater than he was at his base levels.You can agree to disagree if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that the Hulk got stronger due to his rage. For every action there is an equal reaction was the premise behind his strength spurt. You basically answered your own question on this. I won't get away from what I said before this to cater to the strawman tactic that you just mounted. It is what it is. The Hulk becomes stronger with rage. If not, Bruce Banner wouldn't have even turned into the Hulk in the first place, and you will never convince me that the guys that created the character, somehow forgot how his power set works. This may work on others, but come on man.
You saw what I saw on screen, Abomination was meant to be greater than the Hulk. And, he was until the Hulk became strong enough to turn the tables on him. End of discussion. Movie Hulk gets/got stronger with rage.
The point I was trying to make wasn't that Hulk doesn't get stronger with rage, it's that he can't seem to get stronger with rage unless Betty was threatened. He was getting beat up and probably on the verge of getting killed yet he was unable to get angry and get stronger. So my question was, does that mean he can only get angrier/stronger when Betty's life is on the line? Otherwise, show me any other instance of MCU Hulk getting angrier and stronger because of it.
For what it's worth, I do think Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier, just that it's not as easy as people think nor is it unlimited. Hulk seems to need an extreme reason to up his anger level even a little and the strength gain from it doesn't seem to be that much.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The point I was trying to make wasn't that Hulk doesn't get stronger with rage, it's that he can't seem to get stronger with rage unless Betty was threatened. He was getting beat up and probably on the verge of getting killed yet he was unable to get angry and get stronger. So my question was, does that mean he can only get angrier/stronger when Betty's life is on the line? Otherwise, show me any other instance of MCU Hulk getting angrier and stronger because of it.For what it's worth, I do think Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier, just that it's not as easy as people think nor is it unlimited. Hulk seems to need an extreme reason to up his anger level even a little and the strength gain from it doesn't seem to be that much.
Rage is usually brought on by a catalyst, Betty was the catalyst. You have to take several things into consideration concerning movies of this type. First they only have a limited amount of time to let the audience in on the characters themselves, or they would have less time to develop a suitable plot. The Hulk's whole thing has always been, The Madder I get, The Stronger I get. They didn't have to expand on this because most people already know this in advance. The only way that we see a solid example of his increase is when he fights Blonsky, aside from that there was other plot lines that they had to adhere to. I can't say how much he can increase, as there is really no evidence to support this stance, all I can say is that there is solid evidence that he does increase.
But does his strength truly need to be unlimited in order to defeat Thor?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Back on topic, Thor wins.
How does Thor win? Thor took a cheap shot from the Hulk and did not answer it. The last scene before the Hulk was shot up by the fighter jet, it looked a lot like the Hulk was in the dominant position to me. It also looked to me like the Hulk scored the better hits. This is all going to go down to personal opinion, but from where I saw it, the Hulk got in the last hit. If Thor hit the Hulk with a cheap shot, the Hulk would have ended him. If not, why didn't Thor launch a counter attack? Was he scared?
I also recall a similar cartoon battle between them, and the Hulk won. Actually there was two cartoon movies where Thor lost to the Hulk. Are you seeing something that Marvel isn't?
Originally posted by Stoic
How does Thor win? Thor took a cheap shot from the Hulk and did not answer it. The last scene before the Hulk was shot up by the fighter jet, it looked a lot like the Hulk was in the dominant position to me. It also looked to me like the Hulk scored the better hits. This is all going to go down to personal opinion, but from where I saw it, the Hulk got in the last hit. If Thor hit the Hulk with a cheap shot, the Hulk would have ended him. If not, why didn't Thor launch a counter attack? Was he scared?I also recall a similar cartoon battle between them, and the Hulk won. Actually there was two cartoon movies where Thor lost to the Hulk. Are you seeing something that Marvel isn't?
Are we gonna go through all of this again? Hulk landed a sucker punch that went unanswered. Thor landed a mjolnir shot that was unanswered. Hulk landed 2 heavy hits, 3 if you count the sucker punch. Hulk landed heavier hits but Thor landed more hits, and though his hits may not have been as heavy as Hulk they still hurt Hulk. The fight was interrupted before it went to conclusion, so we don't know who would have won that fight. Just because the jet interrupted while Hulk was dominant doesn't mean that the tide of the fight couldn't have swung back and forth (as is the realistic scenario in real world fights).
What we can conclude from that fight though is that Thor definitely wasn't using his full powerset and that Hulk was so pissed off that he couldn't tell friend from foe. So considering that Thor wasn't going all out, a truly bloodlusted Thor probably beats Hulk, seeing as a held-back Thor was already giving him problems.
Originally posted by StoicThor was weakened in Avengers though.
How does Thor win? Thor took a cheap shot from the Hulk and did not answer it. The last scene before the Hulk was shot up by the fighter jet, it looked a lot like the Hulk was in the dominant position to me. It also looked to me like the Hulk scored the better hits. This is all going to go down to personal opinion, but from where I saw it, the Hulk got in the last hit. If Thor hit the Hulk with a cheap shot, the Hulk would have ended him. If not, why didn't Thor launch a counter attack? Was he scared?I also recall a similar cartoon battle between them, and the Hulk won. Actually there was two cartoon movies where Thor lost to the Hulk. Are you seeing something that Marvel isn't?
Also, Thor under Fraction IIRC beat an amped Hulk. 👆
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhen did anyone use an Avada Kedavra on the giants in the films ? They aren't the same at all. Movies are different so again back your case.
When was this mentioned?As a matter of fact, how does that even make sense since we know certain durable species like giants have spells just bounce off of them not to mention pretty much all solid objects of sufficient durability?
Thor would shrug off any spell from the Harry Potter Universe with ease. WITH EASE.
Avada Kedavra doesn't do anything save kill you. It doesn't blow your body apart or physically wreck you it just kills you.
Voldemort either death curses him or Crucios him.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor was weakened in Avengers though.Also, Thor under Fraction IIRC beat an amped Hulk. 👆
You do realize that Matt Fraction is only one writer? These two have had several fights in the past, and the Hulk has defeated Thor as well. Tell me that you aren't talking about the Thor vs Nul debacle when Thor BFR's him into space but really does no damage to him? As we see that when Nul Hulk lands he is fine, while Thor passed out after the fight. What would have happened if they were in a shielded arena, and the Hulk could not be sent away like a baseball? Yeah Thor would have been beaten badly there.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Are we gonna go through all of this again? Hulk landed a sucker punch that went unanswered. Thor landed a mjolnir shot that was unanswered. Hulk landed 2 heavy hits, 3 if you count the sucker punch. Hulk landed heavier hits but Thor landed more hits, and though his hits may not have been as heavy as Hulk they still hurt Hulk. The fight was interrupted before it went to conclusion, so we don't know who would have won that fight. Just because the jet interrupted while Hulk was dominant doesn't mean that the tide of the fight couldn't have swung back and forth (as is the realistic scenario in real world fights).What we can conclude from that fight though is that Thor definitely wasn't using his full powerset and that Hulk was so pissed off that he couldn't tell friend from foe. So considering that Thor wasn't going all out, a truly bloodlusted Thor probably beats Hulk, seeing as a held-back Thor was already giving him problems.
This nonsense of Thor not using his full power set is only half truths. In a real time real world fight, Thor wouldn't have the time to go all exotic, if the Hulk was up in his face. He would need to get a decent amount of distance away from the Hulk in order to unleash due to the Hulk not just standing there while Thor whips up some huge storm. Hope you can see this, because it's not hard to see it in a real world type of situation. It also may not stop the Hulk even if he let loose this huge storm, so you can't pretend that this would be the coup de grace in Thor's favor. It would/could just be an impressive attack, that would/could make the Hulk more excitable. Like I said, just before they were interrupted, Thor was placed in a very bad position, and looked to be about to take a huge beating.
You know what I'm wondering though? If Marvel comics thought that Thor could dominate the Hulk in a fight, why in all of the cartoons that they released, do we see the Hulk knocking Thor the hell out? I just find that spectacularly weird.