NSW Jedi vs ToR Sith

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So how did they die/who got rid of them.

Spoiler:
I'm not entirely sure how it'll canonically go down, but they all get killed except for 1 by a large Strike Team (8-16). I think its probably going to turn out to be that the Empire and Republic characters join forces for an 8 man Strike Team, because the Empire and Republic working together is what happens in the storyline.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
You know that saying about how a hero is judged by the quality of his villains? That's basically the case here.

The NSW Sith, compared to their TOR counterparts, were soft as marshmallows. Look at say, Sirak. He was supposed to be the best they had (not including Bane) and he turned out to be a joke.

The TOR Sith had ridiculously high standards. Look at the Inquisitor plotline; a Acolyte named Kory was killed just because she was kindhearted. Compare that to the NSW Sith who basically let anyone who could touch the Force in.

In this scenario, the NSW Jedi would be totally unprepared and would get torn apart.

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Absolutely right.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Spoiler:
I'm not entirely sure how it'll canonically go down, but they all get killed except for 1 by a large Strike Team (8-16). I think its probably going to turn out to be that the Empire and Republic characters join forces for an 8 man Strike Team, because the Empire and Republic working together is what happens in the storyline.

👆

Absolutely right.

You're welcome. Thanks for making those awesome TOR Respect threads. They were a real eye-opener.

I still need to make the Bounty Hunter one. Urgh. Eventually.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
The NSW Sith, compared to their TOR counterparts, were soft as marshmallows. Look at say, Sirak. He was supposed to be the best they had (not including Bane) and he turned out to be a joke.

Just the best student, not the best lord or anything.

Many of the Lords cut their teeth before the academy came around- the Brotherhood of Darkness training system was relatively recent.

This group should almost exclusively be the ones who succeeded in the time of sith-eat-sith warlords and such, rather than the 'we need numbers and we need them now' group. This is at the end of a period of heavy warfare, and while force knowledge was lost in all that fighting, heavy experience with saber is plentiful.

Originally posted by Q99
Just the best student, not the best lord or anything.

Doesn't Kaan say that most of the students on Korriban were more powerful than most of the Lords in whateverthe****?

Yeah. Thought the eltie were probably beyond the level of any student except for Bane. People like Kas'im (obv), Kaan, Kopekz, Qordis, Krux Kral etc.

BTW I will begin reading Knight Errant soon, so I should have some new NSW feats for you real soon.

Q99, check out the Marvel NOW thread lol.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I still need to make the Bounty Hunter one. Urgh. Eventually.

No rush. Take your time.

Originally posted by Q99
Just the best student, not the best lord or anything.

Yeah that's what I meant. Sorry, I should have been more clear.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Yeah. Thought the eltie were probably beyond the level of any student except for Bane. People like Kas'im (obv), Kaan, Kopekz, Qordis, Krux Kral etc.

The writers must have been Highlander fans.

For anyone that hasn't watched Highlander, many of the series villains had names that started with a K or a hard C.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
BTW I will begin reading Knight Errant soon, so I should have some new NSW feats for you real soon.

I've read Knight Errant. I won't spoil it but I will say you're in for a treat. Kerra Holt is a great character.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Doesn't Kaan say that most of the students on Korriban were more powerful than most of the Lords in whateverthe****?

Can't say that I know of such a statement, but the lords include actual rivals to Kaan, Kas'im, etc..

I'm guessing that quality of lord varied a fair amount, but they were the ones who'd survived clashes with various sith. The best students may have been expected to be better than most of the lords... but, after all, that is what happened, just not in the student they expected (Bane).

Originally posted by chilled monkey
The NSW Sith, compared to their TOR counterparts, were soft as marshmallows. Look at say, Sirak. He was supposed to be the best they had (not including Bane) and he turned out to be a joke.

The TOR Sith had ridiculously high standards. Look at the Inquisitor plotline; a Acolyte named Kory was killed just because she was kindhearted. Compare that to the NSW Sith who basically let anyone in as long as they could touch the Force at all.

You know that saying about how a hero is judged by the quality of his villains? That's basically the case here. The NSW Jedi are accustomed to facing watered-down, weaker quality Sith. In this scenario they would be totally unprepared and would get torn apart.

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Originally posted by Q99
Can't say that I know of such a statement, but the lords include actual rivals to Kaan, Kas'im, etc..

I'm guessing that quality of lord varied a fair amount, but they were the ones who'd survived clashes with various sith. The best students may have been expected to be better than most of the lords... but, after all, that is what happened, just not in the student they expected (Bane).

"They are the strongest of our order," Kopecz reminded him. "We both know even the lowliest students on Korriban are stronger than half the so-called Dark Lords here on Ruusan."

Yeah, the Brotherhood really wasn't that great.

Kopekz was just being overly critical?

Plus it's all relative bro. Perhaps the students were just that damn good?

They'd barely even learned Force Lightning.

When?

Siraak and Githany, the two strongest students at the Academy, struggled to generate even small streaks of lightning. And they by far outclassed the other strongest students of the academy, who outclasses the weakest students in the academy, who outclass the brotherhood's lords.

They just learned that ability though. So it's really not all that bad.

However, the Brotherhood (and the Jedi of that time for that matter) were both not all that great. That was sorta the point. They've been fighting for so long now that both armies are down to their dregs. Heck, even the Jedi were putting untrained kids on the front lines.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
When?

Doesn't Bane only learn Force Lightning like a week before he leaves the academy? From Githany who herself only learned it a few days prior?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Doesn't Bane only learn Force Lightning like a week before he leaves the academy?

Try months on for size.

From Githany who herself only learned it a few days prior?

Don't think so.

Plus Githany and Bane were new recruits, so naturally they would have only learnt it.

Originally posted by ares834
Heck, even the Jedi were putting untrained kids on the front lines.

I was just about to mention this.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Try months on for size.

Don't think so.

Plus Githany and Bane were new recruits, so naturally they would have only learnt it.

You are correct, I mistakenly thought that the scene where Bane is taught lightning was the one where he says he's challenging Sirak.

I believe Sirak was also learning it though.

That said, I think the point about the Jedi sending untrained children into battle speaks alot about their capability.

Not really. They needed everyone they could get, whether they were poorly trained younglings to regular soldiers. Does the fact that virtually ever Jedi Order has been assisted in war by non-force using soldiers, diminish their capabilities?