Originally posted by COG Veteran
Even so, no proof Cap could level Thor. He has undoubtedly faced opponents that use shields. Cap is hundreds of years behind on combat experience.
You're right that cap doesn't have as much experience. But I have to disagree with the first part of your comment. There is no proof Thor has faced opponents who wield anything even close to as strong and durable as caps shield.
Just hitting Cap's shield caused Thor to fly backwards
Remember when you said strength doesn't matter? It still does. Like I stated earlier, Kurse was going all out on Thor and kicking his ass, and Thor was never KO'd, though has was hurtin for certain when Kurse was punching his head thru the ground. So even if Cap has equalized strength and durability it wont give him an edge over thor anyway. If I had the body of Anderson Silva, equal in every way and we fought, I'd still get raped.
Originally posted by Firefly218No, the force of Thor's strike being rebounded cause Thor to fly backwards.
You're right that cap doesn't have as much experience. But I have to disagree with the first part of your comment. There is no proof Thor has faced opponents who wield anything even close to as strong and durable as caps shield.Just hitting Cap's shield caused Thor to fly backwards
There is little difference between being hit by caps shield or a normal shield. Cap's shield being more durable doesn't suddenly increase the force unless it is also much more dense (Which it probably isn't, considering how light it apparently is).
This is ignoring that Thor isn't just strong or durable, he still has command of the weather that Cap has no answer to.
Thor wins.
Even if strength and durability are equal, Thor still has an advantage of weather manipulation and flight. And even if you remove Thor's other powers, Mjolnir is just a more devastating weapon than Cap's shield. So bloodlusted fight, Thor wins.
Now if you made it pure h2h, then that would be intersting. And I could make an argument for both parties.
Originally posted by NemeBro
No, the force of Thor's strike being rebounded cause Thor to fly backwards.There is little difference between being hit by caps shield or a normal shield. Cap's shield being more durable doesn't suddenly increase the force unless it is also much more dense (Which it probably isn't, considering how light it apparently is).
This is ignoring that Thor isn't just strong or durable, he still has command of the weather that Cap has no answer to.
Thor wins.
Originally posted by NemeBro
No, the force of Thor's strike being rebounded cause Thor to fly backwards.There is little difference between being hit by caps shield or a normal shield. Cap's shield being more durable doesn't suddenly increase the force unless it is also much more dense (Which it probably isn't, considering how light it apparently is).
This is ignoring that Thor isn't just strong or durable, he still has command of the weather that Cap has no answer to.
Thor wins.
I agree.
Also Cap isn't faster, as Thor has better speed feats.
Originally posted by NemeBro
No, the force of Thor's strike being rebounded cause Thor to fly backwards.There is little difference between being hit by caps shield or a normal shield. Cap's shield being more durable doesn't suddenly increase the force unless it is also much more dense (Which it probably isn't, considering how light it apparently is).
This is ignoring that Thor isn't just strong or durable, he still has command of the weather that Cap has no answer to.
Thor wins.
Actually the force of the shield depends on it's weight and acceleration (when cap throws it) , obviously this shield is very heavy and cap is strong enough to handle it So it definitely does more damage than normal shields.
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
Actually the force of the shield depends on it's weight and acceleration (when cap throws it) , obviously this shield is very heavy and cap is strong enough to handle it So it definitely does more damage than normal shields.
What?
As far as I know, the entire point of the shield (In like every interpretation ever) has always been that it's very light weight, perfectly balanced, and yet basically indestructible and able to reflect nearly any amount of force.
IIRC, we even see normal characters lifting it up in his first movie.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?As far as I know, the entire point of the shield (In like every interpretation ever) has always been that it's very light weight, perfectly balanced, and yet basically indestructible and able to reflect nearly any amount of force.
IIRC, we even see normal characters lifting it up in his first movie.
If it weren't "heavy", it would not send people flying back when hit because the speed just isn't there.
It's not just a little frisbee anyone can backhand (Winter Soldier is likely enhanced).
F= ma
"a" is visibly not high enough to explain impact / "F".
Therefore, "m" is also considerable.
Originally posted by Placidity
Cap is far more skilled, and faster at H2H.You are a homosexual if you deny this. Just telling you beforehand.
I'd agree with faster, but far more skilled? I don't think so. Just because Cap can do fancier kicks doesn't mean he's better skilled. Thor has better h2h feats against better opposition.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'd agree with faster, but far more skilled? I don't think so. Just because Cap can do fancier kicks doesn't mean he's better skilled. Thor has better h2h feats against better opposition.
Watch Thor fight scene.
Then watch Cap fight scene.
The lower tier characters like Cap, Widow and Hawkeye all have a place on the team because of their extraordinary skill.
If this thread was Cap vs Thor, giving human Thor only Cap's strength/durability, people might think differently about it.