Captain America vs. Thor

Originally posted by Placidity
1. So a normal human can get hit by a car twice, tasered, drugged, and just stroll around a short while later as if nothing happened? You should go outside and do a little experiment.

Yes, I have watched the movie.

2. Again, I have watched the movie.

3. You had to point out something I said already? Cap's speed is above human. But for the purposes of this thread, Cap maintains his speed advantage, so this does not need to be controlled for.

Only 1 out of 3 relevant discussion points. Try again.

Correction, Thor was temp ko'd after getting hit by the car and then ko'd again by the taser, the 2nd time he got hit by a car he was also ko'd. as you've been caught lying. this debate is over.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Correction, Thor was temp ko'd after getting hit by the car and then ko'd again by the taser, the 2nd time he got hit by a car he was also ko'd. as you've been caught lying. this debate is over.

Ok, when you go out to get hit by a car, "KOed" and then get back up and walk around, let me know, I will wait for you.

Lol, "caught lying". Somehow you missed the part where I said "and just stroll around a short while later".

Caught twisting my words so you can make up an excuse to end the "debate".

Yea, debate is over, you are right.

Again, this debate is over.

Originally posted by Placidity
No, the proof is in the fight scenes, as I said in the beginning.

Why is it that whenever someone begins with "are you telling me...", or "are you really saying...", that it is inevitably NOT what you said?

I could, or you could just watch the movies again.

If I believed you could actually be convinced, I actually would have.

To me, the difference is so self-evident that if someone can maintain that Thor is Cap's equal in skill, its just time to agree to disagree.

Yeah, so basically you're using fight scenes where Cap beat up a bunch of guys who weren't even trying to fight him in melee as proof that Cap has superior h2h skills.

You're also using an example where Cap beats up people a lot weaker than him as proof of his superior skill.

Like I said, Thor constantly battles enemies near his own strength level and completely defeats them in melee. Cap can't say the same.

What you are calling as "self evident" is probably because Cap has a fancier fighting style, which is what makes you believe he is better.

Originally posted by FrothByte

What you are calling as "self evident" is probably because Cap has a fancier fighting style, which is what makes you believe he is better.

You can dismiss skill as "fancy" if you'd like.

I'm only interested in an honest debate, not a meaningless back and forth with the occasional insult.

The strawman is strong here.

Originally posted by ares834
Eh, no. This is completely oversimplifying a very complex problem. After all, a object with a constant velocity (a=0) can hit someone with more force than an accelerating object. When calculating a collision and more specifically a punch much more has to be taken into consideration than velocity and mass.

Now, you can use said equation to figure out the force of the shield bash. But it depends on the mass and acceleration of the object that is hit, in this case the person sent flying.

Actually the initial acceleration shouldn't be zero to make a force but Angular acceleration can be zero , in this case the initial acceleration depends on the strength of the person who throws the shield means more strength results in more Force.

Anyway, Thor wins as he still has flight and his weather control abilities.

Originally posted by Placidity
You can dismiss skill as "fancy" if you'd like.

I'm only interested in an honest debate, not a meaningless back and forth with the occasional insult.

The strawman is strong here.

Ok fine. Tell me then how Cap's skill is self-evidently better that Thor's. Because so far all you've been doing is saying how "if you watch the movies, you can tell that Cap has superior skill". You have not given proper argument to your cause.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Anyway, Thor wins as he still has flight and his weather control abilities.

As I said on page one. Don't let Placidity dictate the rules of engagement, as this is a stomp in Thor's favor.

Compared to the comics, Marvel has seriously low-balled Thor's movie abilities.

That deleted scene doesn't count as a screen feat BTW. It isn't part of the official movie canon.

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Just look at caps speed and reflexes in his fight with Loki. If Cap has the strength and durability of Thor, he could definitely do some damage. That matrix dodge is pretty badass.

So Thor can't fly or use his powers because Cap is fast?

K.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Compared to the comics, Marvel has seriously low-balled Thor's movie abilities.

That deleted scene doesn't count as a screen feat BTW. It isn't part of the official movie canon.

YouTube video

Just look at caps speed and reflexes in his fight with Loki. If Cap has the strength and durability of Thor, he could definitely do some damage. That matrix dodge is pretty badass.

It's not like Cap outskilled Loki in that fight. Loki was perfectly fine keeping up with Cap and hit Cap as easily as Cap hit him. Difference is Loki hit harder.

Point is, Loki doesn't seem slow or outskilled against Cap, and we all know who the better fighter is between Thor and Loki.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's not like Cap outskilled Loki in that fight. Loki was perfectly fine keeping up with Cap and hit Cap as easily as Cap hit him. Difference is Loki hit harder.

Point is, Loki doesn't seem slow or outskilled against Cap, and we all know who the better fighter is between Thor and Loki.

If cap had Thor level strength in that fight, he would have annihilated loki. BTW, I'm not arguing Cap is as skilled as Thor. I would say cap is faster and has amazing reflexes, which more than makes up for deficiencies in skill.

... So where is this amazing speed people are saying Cap has? Relative to Thor anyway.

I don't see it.

Originally posted by Firefly218
If cap had Thor level strength in that fight, he would have annihilated loki. BTW, I'm not arguing Cap is as skilled as Thor. I would say cap is faster and has amazing reflexes, which more than makes up for deficiencies in skill.

So Cap has better speed feats than blocking multiple energy weapons?

By all means, post the feats.

Originally posted by NemeBro
... So where is this amazing speed people are saying Cap has? Relative to Thor anyway.

I don't see it.

It's evident somewhere, like, in the film. Idk. Thor still has his entire moveset and Cap can't fly, so a lot of this is stupid.

Originally posted by Firefly218
If cap had Thor level strength in that fight, he would have annihilated loki. BTW, I'm not arguing Cap is as skilled as Thor. I would say cap is faster and has amazing reflexes, which more than makes up for deficiencies in skill.

I'd say Cap was more lithe and more agile. Definitely more acrobatic. Not sure about speed though.

Loki is definitely more lithe than Cap.

lithe
Syllabification: lithe
Pronunciation: /līT͟H
/
(also lithesome)
adjective
(Especially of a person’s body) thin, supple, and graceful.

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Anyway, Cap was definitely bobbing and weaving more often in their fight, but one has to consider context. Namely, that Cap felt every single hit from Loki much more than Loki did from Cap. Loki didn't dodge because he didn't need to.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Loki is definitely more lithe than Cap.

lithe
Syllabification: lithe
Pronunciation: /līT͟H
/
(also lithesome)
adjective
(Especially of a person’s body) thin, supple, and graceful.

👆

Anyway, Cap was definitely bobbing and weaving more often in their fight, but one has to consider context. Namely, that Cap felt every single hit from Loki much more than Loki did from Cap. Loki didn't dodge because he didn't need to.

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