Originally posted by ares834Due to the upheaval caused by Harry still being alive. A few dissenters who we see leave were scared shitless of Voldemort. That doesn't mean they didn't fear him. 😂
Voldemort's followers were so afraid of him that when Harry came "back to life" they began deserting right in Voldy's face....😂
We know the pale Orc not only didn't fear Sauron he demanded a dwarfs head.
Originally posted by FrothByteWho manipulated him ?
Among their own troops then its:Sauron
Ravenna
Bavmorda
VoldemortNot really fair though. Sauron had dumb orcs for troops and enchanted witch kings. Obviously would have the most control over his troops.
Ravenna had no opposition among her troops. Barvmorda had her daughter. And Voldemort had numberous squabbling among his underdogs. A traitor was even able to manipulate him.
Now if the question was who was more feared by their enemies, then the ranking would be:
Sauron
Voldemort
Bavmorda
Ravenna
Originally posted by Stealth MooseThe two don't mean the same thing. People were scared to death of Voldemort. Fear doesn't mean you won't betray them. Control and fear don't mean the same thing no matter how badly you want to paint that picture.
I'm pretty sure if someone can control you utterly, you fear them.Or are you that dense?
Sauron let his general make demands of him. Voldemort killed his own troops for less hence why they feared him more. It was entirely justifiable.
Originally posted by NephthysDoes that mean she doesn't fear him ?
Did they have the scene with Mama Malfoy flat out lying to Voldemorts face in the movies?
Do you know what fear means ?
Allow me to illustrate my point further. Take Sleeping with the Enemy with Julia Roberts. She clearly feared her husband to the point of faking her own death and betraying him. Does that mean she didn't fear him ? How can you people be so naive and unable to understand what fear is.
I guess people attacking mutants or hating mutants in the comics doesn't mean they fear them because they attack them, right ? Screw that line people fear what they don't understand. If you don't blindly obey you have no fear at all.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
The two don't mean the same thing. People were scared to death of Voldemort. Fear doesn't mean you won't betray them. Control and fear don't mean the same thing no matter how badly you want to paint that picture.Sauron let his general make demands of him. Voldemort killed his own troops for less hence why they feared him more. It was entirely justifiable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Does that mean she doesn't fear him ?Do you know what fear means ?
Allow me to illustrate my point further. Take Sleeping with the Enemy with Julia Roberts. She clearly feared her husband to the point of faking her own death and betraying him. Does that mean she didn't fear him ? How can you people be so naive and unable to understand what fear is.
I guess people attacking mutants or hating mutants in the comics doesn't mean they fear them because they attack them, right ? Screw that line people fear what they don't understand. If you don't blindly obey you have no fear at all.
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Originally posted by RobtardI guess betraying someone means you have absolutely no fear of them.
No, he's wrong and it's been shown. Voldermort had dissention in his ranks, his own people deserting him cos a boy-wizard shows up and a kid flat out disrespecting him to his face.While all of Middle Earth feared the power of Sauron.
I posted the clips. His troops were afraid to even look at him whereas the pale Orc made demands right to Sauron.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, he's wrong and it's been shown. Voldermort had dissention in his ranks, his own people deserting him cos a boy-wizard shows up and a kid flat out disrespecting him to his face.While all of Middle Earth feared the power of Sauron.
I just realized, this thread is about the troops.
I seriously doubt the orcs were more afraid of sauron than the wizards were of voldy. The rest of middle earth and Harry Potter universe are irrelevant.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I just realized, this thread is about the troops.I seriously doubt the orcs were more afraid of sauron than the wizards were of voldy. The rest of middle earth and Harry Potter universe are irrelevant.
Nah. In the final battle Sauron's soldiers didn't flee until Sauron was destroyed. Voldermort's troops started to break cos a boy-wizard shows up, even though they were winning the battle; that shows a lack of control and fear is how Voldermort controlled his people.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I guess betraying someone means you have absolutely no fear of them.I posted the clips. His troops were afraid to even look at him whereas the pale Orc made demands right to Sauron.
It's clear you're still so butthurt over everyone handing you your own ass in the Sauron Vs Voldermort threads that you're making thread after thread desperately trying to find something Voldermort is better at than Sauron; this one isn't it.
May I suggest you make these threads:
Who is the bigger coward, Sauron or Voldermort?
Who is better at failing to kill an infant, Sauron or Voldermort?
Who got outplayed more by a child throughout the child's life, Sauron or Voldermort?
Who looks more fabulous waving around a baton-like object, Sauron or Voldermort?
I guarantee many wins for Voldermort there 🙂
You have that Voldermort initially got people to his side through charm and appealing to the PURE BLOOD prejudice. He is described as a very charming and handsome person before his horcrux resurrection. And if you remember most of his death eaters seemed like his good friends rather then servants. Lucius being an exception, he was a coward, had a family to protect and was being excluded.
Sauron oozes fear. He was feared by the most powerful Wizard in the land who eventually went CRAZY. There's the difference: VOldermort has small people fearing him, SAuron has the most powerful people fearing him.
Bavmorda was scary because she was the only powerful person in that universe and turned an entire army into pigs... that's horrifying. Yet some people still betrayed.
Its been ages since I saw SWatH and I didn't even like it.
Sauron
Bavmorda
Voldermort
(No idea where to put Ravenna)
Voldemort takes last place. Even before he died, Mrs. Malfoy turns against him - Draco even shows up with the rest of them in the epilogue. Plus, the person that Voldemort was closest to ended up being the most traitorous of them all - Snape. He made Voldemort believe [the entire time] that he was a faithful servant, when he was really working for Dumbledore.
I think the only person who stayed with Voldy who always thought he was dominant and right was Bellatrix, who ended up being killed by a tertiary character [Molly Weasley].
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Sauron is still at the top. At least he had all of his troops under complete submission and almost none of them dared to even mention his name.Voldemort had peole deserting him left and right, a double agent who betrayed him, and Mommy Malfoy who straight up lied to him.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRO0uP6aAs
57 seconds in. The general makes a demand of Sauron.
The Malfoys were scared shitless of Voldemort.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yj2aSy1Zen4
To suggest the Malfoys were not afraid of Voldemort is disingenuous. Betraying someone doesn't mean you don't fear them.
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Originally posted by siriuswriterBetrayal doesn't mean you don't fear someone. Control and fear are two separate words. Learn the difference. Thanks.
Voldemort takes last place. Even before he died, Mrs. Malfoy turns against him - Draco even shows up with the rest of them in the epilogue. Plus, the person that Voldemort was closest to ended up being the most traitorous of them all - Snape. He made Voldemort believe [the entire time] that he was a faithful servant, when he was really working for Dumbledore.I think the only person who stayed with Voldy who always thought he was dominant and right was Bellatrix, who ended up being killed by a tertiary character [Molly Weasley].