Originally posted by NemeBroIt means she was still scared of him but didn't blindly follow him. She faked her own death and fled. He found her. Watch the movie. You are ignorant.
It means she didn't fear him enough to not openly defy him to his face (With Voldemort's own stupidity being the only reason Harry is still alive mind you).
Incorrect. Voldemort clearly beat Harry.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroVoldemort still existed as well. 😂
Except he does, and has repeatedly, read Necromancer, read the eye, read the Nazgul still existing.Sauron never actually dies, as he is immortal, but he gets rendered inert once the ring is destroyed, there is a gigantic difference. If he died, he would "move on". Unlike Voldemort being trapped in Limbo after his final defeat, Sauron is forced to roam the world as an insubstantial shade, incapable of inflicting change or influence on what he observes.
That's not the point, and betting online is a fools errand. I already know what is going to happen, the point is the characters in universe don't. Man your logic is horrible.
Quit ignoring section 8 of the rules you are trying to force down everyone's neck. Is every rule bar that one applicable now? Since when do you decide what is and isn't in the rules? Reported for backseat modding.
Except Voldemort was out to kill, and he failed miserably. Harry outsmarted him to make that escape, and set up Voldemorts defeat later. It takes real planning to win overall wars, you have to know when to retreat, and when to stand your ground. You would know nothing of these matters, because you have the intellect of a lobotomised chimp.
Excuses. You sad little man. You even ignore the narrative of your own story.
In the what-now?
Voldemort not only existed he got his body back and took over. Sauron never got his body back. Poor guy. By still existing Voldemort still was in the same boat as Sauron and didn't need to have his Horcruxes on him to retain his body.
By your own stupidy you realize Voldemort didn't move on either so he's in the same boat. You don't even realize what you're even saying. The Horcruxes or the ring weighs down the soul so you can come back. Think.
Peter can change what he wants. You're such a scared little boi.
So you want to insult and then want to report. I don't respect you, rat. Movie feats only.
Disarming is still a win in the wizarding world. 😂
Not only that but let Dumbledore fight his battle for him. You're a dishonest debater.
Voldemort does know when to leave. Harry is lucky others fight his battles for him. 😂
Context. 😂
In the forest.
Voldemort owned Harry.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It means she was still scared of him but didn't blindly follow him.
I already said that.
She faked her own death and fled. He found her. Watch the movie.
No wonder they don't fear him, considering how he was too pussy to kill her after finding her.
You are ignorant.
Your mother is a fat whore.
Incorrect. Voldemort clearly beat Harry.
You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?
Tell me, what did you think I was referring to?
Originally posted by NemeBroShe didn't openly defy him she faked her own death.
I already said that.No wonder they don't fear him, considering how he was too pussy to kill her after finding her.
Your mother is a fat whore.
You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?
Tell me, what did you think I was referring to?
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Villain usually loses, kiddo.
You are saying the only reason Harry survived is due to the fact Voldemort was obsessed with being the only one to kill him when he could have had anyone else do so.
I'm a lot smarter than you.
That is incorrect reasoning as always.
Originally posted by quanchi112No, what I meant was that when Voldemort thought he killed Harry in DH2, he had Narcissus check the body and make sure he was dead, and she proceeded to blatantly lie to her face. For some reason, Voldemort neither used Leglimency to read her mind, nor did he check the body himself.
You are lying. That is what you meant.
He's an idiot.
To be fair though, Voldemort's troops were a lot more powerful individually than Ravenna's, Barvmorda's, or even Sauron's troops.
Ravenna and Bavmorda had basic soldiers. Bavmorda had 2 generals and 1 of them betrayed her. For Ravenna, the only follower of note was her brother. Sauron has a bunch of orcs, not even Urukhai. His most powerful underling I believe was Saruman. It's been some time since I watched LOTR, so I may have missed someone of note.
Voldemort's troops on the other hand are all some of the most powerful mages in the Potter universe. It makes sense if they're also harder to keep in line than your normal rabble of foot soldiers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Or I just like arguing every facet of this debate as possible. I don't get emotional like you.Voldemort inspires a lot more fear from his troops and rightfully so. He killed his own men whereas I don't recall Sauron ever doing so.
Voldemort had everyone afraid of him whereas Sauron's general wouldn't care about making open demands from the guy.
Nah, you're clearly butthurt over the Sauron Vs Voldermort thing and why you keep trying to find something Voldermort is better at. Everyone knows this 🙂
Cos Sauron doesn't have to kill his own troops to keep them in line, they fear/respect him like a devine being. Killing your own troops is generally bad practice, dummy.
Again, your failure to understand the Azog scene doesn't make your nonsense correct.
Sauron won this thread, stop crying, deal with it and make a thread where Voldermort can finally win something over Sauron, I gave you several suggestions 🙂
Originally posted by FrothByteIt is implied in The Hobbit that Sauron would be able to bring even Smaug under heel, which is why Gandalf organized the quest in the first place.
To be fair though, Voldemort's troops were a lot more powerful individually than Ravenna's, Barvmorda's, or even Sauron's troops.Ravenna and Bavmorda had basic soldiers. Bavmorda had 2 generals and 1 of them betrayed her. For Ravenna, the only follower of note was her brother. Sauron has a bunch of orcs, not even Urukhai. His most powerful underling I believe was Saruman. It's been some time since I watched LOTR, so I may have missed someone of note.
Voldemort's troops on the other hand are all some of the most powerful mages in the Potter universe. It makes sense if they're also harder to keep in line than your normal rabble of foot soldiers.
Originally posted by NemeBroWell for one he used the Ak spell and wasn't aware of the other Horcrux. Secondly, why would he check on him ?
No, what I meant was that when Voldemort thought he killed Harry in DH2, he had Narcissus check the body and make sure he was dead, and she proceeded to blatantly lie to her face. For some reason, Voldemort neither used Leglimency to read her mind, nor did he check the body himself.He's an idiot.
How often do villains have heroes at their mercy. Hell, Link is beaten by Zant easily at one point. This happens all the time. We see heroes beaten yet survive so to ignore all else and the circumstances to try and say he's stupid is stupid.
Quit ignoring the circumstances which explain why he didn't check at the time.
Many villains have heroes at their mercy but for whatever reason they survive. It's called creating drama.
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Originally posted by RobtardI am trying to think of some thing Sauron has a chance in.
Nah, you're clearly butthurt over the Sauron Vs Voldermort thing and why you keep trying to find something Voldermort is better at. Everyone knows this 🙂Cos Sauron doesn't have to kill his own troops to keep them in line, they fear/respect him like a devine being. Killing your own troops is generally bad practice, dummy.
Again, your failure to understand the Azog scene doesn't make your nonsense correct.
Sauron won this thread, stop crying, deal with it and make a thread where Voldermort can finally win something over Sauron, I gave you several suggestions 🙂
Voldemort doesn't have to kill them either. They all fear him and are scared shitless of him.
Voldemort assumed power unlike Sauron. Voldemort was more successful than Sauron ever had been.
I already showed his general disrespecting him. When Voldemort was alone with his troops they wouldn't even make eye contact for long because they were that scared of him.
Originally posted by quanchi112It's called lazy writing.
Well for one he used the Ak spell and wasn't aware of the other Horcrux. Secondly, why would he check on him ?How often do villains have heroes at their mercy. Hell, Link is beaten by Zant easily at one point. This happens all the time. We see heroes beaten yet survive so to ignore all else and the circumstances to try and say he's stupid is stupid.
Quit ignoring the circumstances which explain why he didn't check at the time.
Many villains have heroes at their mercy but for whatever reason they survive. It's called creating drama.
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"Oh well Zant did i-"
Zant is also an idiot.
I think it's important to distinguish fear and respect. If we're going with which villain kept their underlings in greater thrall, I'd definitely say Sauron.
But I never got the impression that this was entirely the result of personal fear of Sauron.
Voldemort inspired utter and abject fear in the vast majority of the characters. Not caution, not respect, but fear. Why? Because he's a psychotic 'tard who also happens to be the most powerful wizard alive.