Who is more feared among their own troops ?

Originally posted by Robtard
It's clear you're still so butthurt over everyone handing you your own ass in the Sauron Vs Voldermort threads that you're making thread after thread desperately trying to find something Voldermort is better at than Sauron; this one isn't it.

May I suggest you make these threads:

Who is the bigger coward, Sauron or Voldermort?

Who is better at failing to kill an infant, Sauron or Voldermort?

Who got outplayed more by a child throughout the child's life, Sauron or Voldermort?

Who looks more fabulous waving around a baton-like object, Sauron or Voldermort?

I guarantee many wins for Voldermort there 🙂

Voldemort inspires a lot more fear from his troops and rightfully so. He killed his own men whereas I don't recall Sauron ever doing so. Voldemort had everyone afraid of him whereas Sauron's general wouldn't care about making open demands from the guy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't get emotional like you.

LOL!!!

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
LOL!!!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Or I just like arguing every facet of this debate as possible. I don't get emotional like you.

😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort inspires a lot more fear from his troops and rightfully so. He killed his own men whereas I don't recall Sauron ever doing so. Voldemort had everyone afraid of him whereas Sauron's general wouldn't care about making open demands from the guy.

Wrong.

Sauron can be as careless of the lives of his soldiers as he likes, for there are always more to swell the ranks, he breeds Orcs that replicate at a horrific rate all over the planes of Mordor. He has warriors from Rhun, Harad, Khand, Agmar and all over the Misty Mountains, and all these realms are submissive to him chiefly through fear, even after the loss of the Ring.

Also, what kinds of fear are we dealing with? Voldy's troops have more to fear directly to be sure, but Sauron inspires more general fear because of what he controls. His own followers fear him because of his absolute dominion over the nine, and that fear inspires loyalty. Everyone else fears him because of that loyalty and the vigor it inspires. Several of the nations I mentioned are ruled through fear by proxy. Rhun being the lone exeption, as Sauron is worshipped as a vengeful deiety there.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
😆

Wrong.

Sauron can be as careless of the lives of his soldiers as he likes, for there are always more to swell the ranks, he breeds Orcs that replicate at a horrific rate all over the planes of Mordor. He has warriors from Rhun, Harad, Khand, Agmar and all over the Misty Mountains, and all these realms are submissive to him chiefly through fear, even after the loss of the Ring.

Also, what kinds of fear are we dealing with? Voldy's troops have more to fear directly to be sure, but Sauron inspires more general fear because of what he controls. His own followers fear him because of his absolute dominion over the nine, and that fear inspires loyalty. Everyone else fears him because of that loyalty and the vigor it inspires. Several of the nations I mentioned are ruled through fear by proxy. Rhun being the lone exeption, as Sauron is worshipped as a vengeful deiety there.

57 seconds in we see the pale Orc aka his general flat out demand something from Sauron. He lets his own general disrespect him.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRO0uP6aAs

Quit speaking from hyperbole and cite examples from the films not the books.

Now compare that interaction with this one.

39-43 seconds in. He kind of questions attacking the shield here and all that is required of Voldemort is a stern look to see his tail go back between his legs.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X34HPAxlyd8

This isn't close at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Having more troops doesn't translate into the troops under your command fearing you more. Try and understand.

57 seconds in we see the pale Orc aka his general flat out demand something from Sauron. He lets his own general disrespect him.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRO0uP6aAs

Quit speaking from hyperbole and cite examples from the films not the books.

Now compare that interaction with this one.

39-43 seconds in. He kind of questions attacking the shield here and all that is required of Voldemort is a stern look to see his tail go back between his legs.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X34HPAxlyd8

This isn't close at all.

If you notice, that guy above you used actually Lord of the Rings facts. So they didn't mention it in the movie, the books are still canon to the movies. So don't get all but hurt when someone has facts proving you wrong.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
If you notice, that guy above you used actually Lord of the Rings facts. So they didn't mention it in the movie, the books are still canon to the movies. So don't get all but hurt when someone has facts proving you wrong.

GTFO.

The MVF Golden Rule:
What is seen on screen is canon in these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!

Its so fun to point this out to the biased trying to argue for book feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Having more troops doesn't translate into the troops under your command fearing you more. Try and understand.

57 seconds in we see the pale Orc aka his general flat out demand something from Sauron. He lets his own general disrespect him.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRO0uP6aAs

Quit speaking from hyperbole and cite examples from the films not the books.

Now compare that interaction with this one.

39-43 seconds in. He kind of questions attacking the shield here and all that is required of Voldemort is a stern look to see his tail go back between his legs.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X34HPAxlyd8

This isn't close at all.

You keep bringing up the Azog thing as though it were the only thing of value.

What you don't seem to understand is that, unlike Voldemort, Sauron doesn't fly off the handle and kill his own men for very little things, he isn't a spoiled little brat with delusions due to daddy issues.

Voldemort isn't feared due to his power, or skill or influence, he is feared because he is psychotically unstable, but the thing with that kind of fear? it promotes sedition and betrayal. Sauron is more calm and calculated, and able to negotiate good deals with his troops, and is more diplomatic, thus that makes him a better leader, and rightly more feared by his enemies, and among his own troops. He does not punish and compromise his forces and deprive them of capable leaders like Azog for the sake of "Being a badass fear monger with psychotic daddy issues".

Also, please point out anything I said being Hyperbole... You have no idea what that word even means.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You keep bringing up the Azog thing as though it were the only thing of value.

What you don't seem to understand is that, unlike Voldemort, Sauron doesn't fly off the handle and kill his own men for very little things, he isn't a spoiled little brat with delusions due to daddy issues.

Voldemort isn't feared due to his power, or skill or influence, he is feared because he is psychotically unstable, but the thing with that kind of fear? it promotes sedition and betrayal. Sauron is more calm and calculated, and able to negotiate good deals with his troops, and is more diplomatic, thus that makes him a better leader, and rightly more feared by his enemies, and among his own troops. He does not punish and compromise his forces and deprive them of capable leaders like Azog for the sake of "Being a badass fear monger with psychotic daddy issues".

Also, please point out anything I said being Hyperbole... You have no idea what that word even means.

Sauron allowed his general to openly disrespect him and lost anyways. 😂

He was so cold and calculating he lasted under a minute on the battlefield. Do you honestly think before you hit submit reply. 😂

Sauron allowed a beaten Orc to openly disrespect him. Voldemort looks his troops way and they look away. Voldemort is clearly more feared.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying he rules them like a vengeful deity. That is worthless and hyperbolic. A guy killed a vengeful deity with a broken sword. 😂 you make it so easy.

We've been over that, and you lost that debate. And that was only one of the nations I mentioned. Plus, Sauron wasn't killed. He was bodiless, but unlike Voldemort, Sauron was still influencing direct control through fear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sauron allowed his general to openly disrespect him and lost anyways. 😂

Except he didn't and we have not seen Part 3 yet, so don't go making hasty generalisations and assumtions in an attempt to asspull something stupid like you usually do.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was so cold and calculating he lasted under a minute on the battlefield. Do you honestly think before you hit submit reply. 😂

Do you really want to go into all the details of the Battles of the Last Aliance? because that would require bringing in book material, and there is no way to avoid it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sauron allowed a beaten Orc to openly disrespect him. Voldemort looks his troops way and they look away. Voldemort is clearly more feared.

They feared his psychosis, not his skill or power.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
We've been over that, and you lost that debate. And that was only one of the nations I mentioned. Plus, Sauron wasn't killed. He was bodiless, but unlike Voldemort, Sauron was still influencing direct control through fear.

Except he didn't and we have not seen Part 3 yet, so don't go making hasty generalisations and assumtions in an attempt to asspull something stupid like you usually do.

Do you really want to go into all the details of the Battles of the Last Aliance? because that would require bringing in book material, and there is no way to avoid it.

They feared his psychosis, not his skill or power.

Part 3 won't change that interaction. You honestly can't even think for yourself and say things which make no sense at all.

Movie feats only. The guy was so cold and calculating he lunged at a foe with his ring right out in the open and died because of it.

😂

Voldemort was the darkest, most skilled, most powerful wizard in the movie series. The filmmakers actually even say so. You are so ignorant I can't even be mad at you. Never change.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I didn't lose. I have been using your own words against you treating like an adult treats a child. Voldemort wasn't killed either by your logic only he exerted influence while returning go his body and seizing control.

You think you have, but in reality you do what you've always done. You've avoided providing even an ounce of credible evidence, posting double standards, goalpost shifting and general flip flopping with plenty of flames and ad hominem sprinkled in. And you think that makes you clever or adult? 😆

Except he was dead. He was survived by Horcruxes. Sauron never recovered the ring, nor did he implant a porton of his immortal soul into it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Part 3 won't change that interaction. You honestly can't even think for yourself and say things which make no sense at all.

You are inferring things that have not happened yet, thus you have no proof on how it would play out. You are again trying to insult me, but you are failing miserably, because your own logic again works against you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Movie feats only. The guy was so cold and calculating he lunged at a foe with his ring right out in the open and died because of it.

😂

Wrong. refer to rule number 8. if a character has appeared in more than movies, then the events depicted in that media is also admissible as long as it does not directly contradict the movie canon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort was the darkest, most skilled, most powerful wizard in the movie series. The filmmakers actually even say so. You are so ignorant I can't even be mad at you. Never change.

But that's not why they feared him. Dumbledore matched him in terms of skill and power easily, and yet he is not feared and hated for it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You think you have, but in reality you do what you've always done. You've avoided providing even an ounce of credible evidence, posting double standards, goalpost shifting and general flip flopping with plenty of flames and ad hominem sprinkled in. And you think that makes you clever or adult? 😆

Except he was dead. He was survived by Horcruxes. Sauron never recovered the ring, nor did he implant a porton of his immortal soul into it.

You are inferring things that have not happened yet, thus you have no proof on how it would play out. You are again trying to insult me, but you are failing miserably, because your own logic again works against you.

Wrong. refer to rule number 8. if a character has appeared in more than movies, then the events depicted in that media is also admissible as long as it does not directly contradict the movie canon.

But that's not why they feared him. Dumbledore matched him in terms of skill and power easily, and yet he is not feared and hated for it.

So you believe something from part three will change or retcon the interaction. 😂

Let's take bets. Loser leaves for a month on kmc. Deal ?

Wrong. Movie feats only. It is clearly in the rules. This is the movie versus forum. If you can't understand the simple rules then my child analogy is only proven even more so after that.

The point is no one would fear him if he was some idiot who lacked power and skill. He clearly had the skill and power to rule over others. The fact I have to explain to you the obvious makes me glad you haven't reproduced.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Against the rules.

GTFO.

The MVF Golden Rule:
What is seen on screen is canon in these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!

Its so fun to point this out to the biased trying to argue for book feats.

Yeah but these feats do not contradict the on screen(movie canon) actually they make it make sense. So yeah... burn slowly.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Yeah but these feats do not contradict the on screen(movie canon) actually they make it make sense. So yeah... burn slowly.

Three simple words, MOVIE FEATS ONLY!!!

Do you understand what these three simple words mean when used in sequence ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whether or not he did or not was irrelevant. Try and pay attention. Both could exist without bodies. Both could return to their bodies as long as these magical objects existed. Once the magical objects were destroyed they couldn't come back. I wish you could understand simple principles on your own.

Then how was he influencing events as the Necromancer, or the eye apparition? You are acting foolish.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe something from part three will change or retcon the interaction. 😂

Let's take bets. Loser leaves for a month on kmc. Deal ?

I know from the books what happens, but it does not change my point. We have the advantage of foresight Quan, characters in-universe do not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. Movie feats only. It is clearly in the rules. This is the movie versus forum. If you can't understand the simple rules then my child analogy is only proven even more so after that.

*yawns and points to rule 8 once again* I only need that exeption to overrule your prattling.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is no one would fear him if he was some idiot who lacked power and skill. He clearly had the skill and power to rule over others. The fact I have to explain to you the obvious makes me glad you haven't reproduced.

Yes, so clearly he lost to Harry twice.....

keep up the insulting Quan, it just proves that you are losing, and burning up on the inside all the more for it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Then how was he influencing events as the Necromancer, or the eye apparition? You are acting foolish.

I know from the books what happens, but it does not change my point. We have the advantage of foresight Quan, characters in-universe do not.

*yawns and points to rule 8 once again* I only need that exeption to overrule your prattling.

Yes, so clearly he lost to Harry twice.....

keep up the insulting Quan, it just proves that you are losing, and burning up on the inside all the more for it.

So all in all you say something stupid but won't put your money where your mouth is. So like you.

😂

Again, movie feats only. This is the movie versus forum. Take your book nonsense to the appropriate threads. You clearly aren't grasping three simple words. 😂

He never lost to Harry in a fair fight. I don't expect you to understand though considering reading your posts is hilarious.

Voldemort defeated Harry hands down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is bodiless but still interacting just like Voldemort did prior to coming back in a full sized body. 😂

With the exeption that sauron never actually died, Voldemort did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So all in all you say something stupid but won't put your money where your mouth is. So like you.

😂

........ What? You have yet to refute the point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, movie feats only. This is the movie versus forum. Take your book nonsense to the appropriate threads. You clearly aren't grasping three simple words. 😂

You clearly aren't grasping the exeption that is Rule # 8. Go and read the rules in there entirety before you spout utter nonsense next time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He never lost to Harry in a fair fight. I don't expect you to understand though considering reading your posts is hilarious.

Voldemort defeated Harry hands down.

When? The only times Voldemort directly fought Harry he lost or was outsmarted and Harry escaped. Of the two duels they had that reached a conclusion, Harry won. The only time Voldemort actually "won" was in the Goblet of Fire, and harry escaped despite being at a massive disadvantage.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
With the exeption that sauron never actually died, Voldemort did.

........ What? You have yet to refute the point.

You clearly aren't grasping the exeption that is Rule # 8. Go and read the rules in there entirety before you spout utter nonsense next time.

When? The only times Voldemort directly fought Harry he lost or was outsmarted and Harry escaped. Of the two duels they had that reached a conclusion, Harry won. The only time Voldemort actually "won" was in the Goblet of Fire, and harry escaped despite being at a massive disadvantage.

The point is let's bet on what happens. Quit being scared of me. Man up.

There is an all versus for the books. Movie feats only make it very clear. Quit ignoring MOVIE FEATS ONLY.

Harry escaping means he lost. I guess if a fight starts and you flee somehow you think that isn't a forfeit. Disarming a wizard is a victory so he did so in OOTP.

Voldemort's wand was never his and his Horcruxes were destroyed by others.

Voldemort blasting him in the forts is another win as well. Harry never won one time.

Watch the films, seriously.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So your body blowing up and you not being able to physically exist means you didn't die. Please have someone explain to you what death actually means.

Except he does, and has repeatedly, read Necromancer, read the eye, read the Nazgul still existing.

Sauron never actually dies, as he is immortal, but he gets rendered inert once the ring is destroyed, there is a gigantic difference. If he died, he would "move on". Unlike Voldemort being trapped in Limbo after his final defeat, Sauron is forced to roam the world as an insubstantial shade, incapable of inflicting change or influence on what he observes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is let's bet on what happens. Quit being scared of me. Man up.

That's not the point, and betting online is a fools errand. I already know what is going to happen, the point is the characters in universe don't. Man your logic is horrible.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is an all versus for the books. Movie feats only make it very clear. Quit ignoring MOVIE FEATS ONLY.

Quit ignoring section 8 of the rules you are trying to force down everyone's neck. Is every rule bar that one applicable now? Since when do you decide what is and isn't in the rules? Reported for backseat modding.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Harry escaping means he lost. I guess if a fight starts and you flee somehow you think that isn't a forfeit. Disarming a wizard is a victory so he did so in OOTP.

Except Voldemort was out to kill, and he failed miserably. Harry outsmarted him to make that escape, and set up Voldemorts defeat later. It takes real planning to win overall wars, you have to know when to retreat, and when to stand your ground. You would know nothing of these matters, because you have the intellect of a lobotomised chimp.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort's wand was never his and his Horcruxes were destroyed by others.

Excuses. You sad little man. You even ignore the narrative of your own story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort blasting him in the forts is another win as well. Harry never won one time.

Watch the films, seriously.

In the what-now?