Who is more feared among their own troops ?

Originally posted by Viritrilbia
Wow, I'm surprised at the immaturity.

Point out the exact words where I said it didn't happen in the movie.
That's right, you can't. You're making assumptions and putting words into my mounth.

I said it never happened in the books, which is true.

Of course we are discussing based on the movies. That doesn't mean movie Sauron is any less fearful. The question was "Who was more feared among their troops", not "Who had more bold Captains", because, as you know, Azog is much braver than any leader Voldemort had.

Azog didn't say shit to Sauron. Give me his exact words. Thanks. And, by the way, there's a reason Sauron has a big lead in the poll. 😉

Bias and people citing the books is the reason. If you aren't enough of a debater to reference the scene yourself you don't belong in this discussion. He disrespected him. Period. No one would dare to do that to Voldemort.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Read what it is I wrote. No one in front of Voldemort would dare to challenge what he wanted. That kid wouldn't dare defy Voldemort in the same room. Azog defied Sauron to his face. That's blatant disrespect. Surture you're an idiot all over the map. You're a hopeless escapee of reality.

The dude can't even get teenagers to follow his orders lol. Some fat kid who probably hasn't even been to third base yet defied him.

Originally posted by Surtur
The dude can't even get teenagers to follow his orders lol. Some fat kid who probably hasn't even been to third base yet defied him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're a dumb person.

Honestly kid, learn what respect is.

You demand that I pull the scene while you first referenced it. Then you don't pull your own scene as proof. What a hypocrite.

Azog didn't disrespect him. The fact is Voldemort's servants could desert him. Sauron's servants didn't dare desert, even hundreds of miles away while he was sitting on his throne.

As for the bias part, you can't prove you're not biased for Voldemort. So that goes nowhere. Terrible argument.

Originally posted by Viritrilbia
Honestly kid, learn what respect is.

You demand that I pull the scene while you first referenced it. Then you don't pull your own scene as proof. What a hypocrite.

Azog didn't disrespect him. The fact is Voldemort's servants could desert him. Sauron's servants didn't dare desert, even hundreds of miles away while he was sitting on his throne.

As for the bias part, you can't prove you're not biased for Voldemort. So that goes nowhere. Terrible argument.

If you want to say I'm being inaccurate and lying then by all means pull the rug out from under me.

He made demands of him. He didn't just sweat bullets and agree. He stood tall and wanted Thorin. Sauron's servants fled frequently in battle. They were often cowardly and petty. Voldemort had his troops carry out missions while being many miles away. Harry was still alive and in the heat of the moment those who were fearful chose to flee under the gravity of that situation.

I am objective unlike yourself. Facts bolster my case whereas you Appleseed to the posters to cite books which has no basis in a movie only forum, boy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know what respect is and by reading your posts you aren't worthy of it.

If you want to say I'm being inaccurate and lying then by all means pull the rug out from under me.

He made demands of him. He didn't just sweat bullets and agree. He stood tall and wanted Thorin. Sauron's servants fled frequently in battle. They were often cowardly and petty. Voldemort had his troops carry out missions while being many miles away. Harry was still alive and in the heat of the moment those who were fearful chose to flee under the gravity of that situation.

I am objective unlike yourself. Facts bolster my case whereas you Appleseed to the posters to cite books which has no basis in a movie only forum, boy.

You are not the one to judge whether someone is worthy of respect. I've been reading this forum for a long time and I've seen many of your posts. You insult people all the time. I do not. There's a vast difference and I hope you'll see it someday.

You contradict yourself. Now you justify Voldemort's troops deserting but apply a different logic to Sauron's. You say his troops are cowardly and petty but don't apply that logic to Captains like Azog.

Sauron's will, literally, physically, drove on his armies. Voldemort's did not. Sauron in The Hobbit was lying low and still building up a form, like I said. In LOTR he is much more distant and terrifying. End of story.

What you are doing is cherry-picking. Now that kind of argument may work on some others here but it sure doesn't work on me.

This is clearly a spite thread. I feel a bit of pity for you since you created this poll clearly trying to shame other users. If you actually wanted a real response, don't get all angry when they post their opinion. You say "who wins" and then try to tear down honest responses. You might as well have said "Voldemort wins" and have done with it. And now it has backfired on you.

Originally posted by Viritrilbia
You are not the one to judge whether someone is worthy of respect. I've been reading this forum for a long time and I've seen many of your posts. You insult people all the time. I do not. There's a vast difference and I hope you'll see it someday.

You contradict yourself. Now you justify Voldemort's troops deserting but apply a different logic to Sauron's. You say his troops are cowardly and petty but don't apply that logic to Captains like Azog.

Sauron's will, literally, physically, drove on his armies. Voldemort's did not. Sauron in The Hobbit was lying low and still building up a form, like I said. In LOTR he is much more distant and terrifying. End of story.

What you are doing is cherry-picking. Now that kind of argument may work on some others here but it sure doesn't work on me.

I said the situation was different and explained why. I am not talking about the petty grunts. But let's get into this a little more so to further validate my point. Lucius Malfoy was shaking in his boots and wasn't afraid of standing up to Albus Dumbledore but wouldn't even even give a stank eye in the presence of Voldemort in his friggin house. He was a coward to Voldemort. He wasn't a lower level grunt and the same wizard deserted when the situation played itself out in the midst of a massive battle. That doesn't mean he'd openly defy him with the two of them alone in a room as Azog did to Sauron. Now do you grasp it ?

No, I am basing it off of the general fear of Voldemort as opposed to Sauron with on screen evidence. Voldemort was the most feared wizard by far and his troops wouldn't say shit otherwise in a one on one confrontation with fear of reprisal.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh very surprising you're very familiar with this forum but only recently have come out of the woodwork. I decided who is worthy of MY respect and who isn't.

Doesn't change my point. Nice evasion skills but I see through it and I hope others do to (I know some that will.)

Now, about your "evidence".
The people who you say are "afraid" of Voldemort are humans. That means they are concerned for their own survival and lives. They are cunning and weasely.
Orcs, on the other hand, are driven more by anger than cunning to survive. It's a totally different mindset and Azog is by far one of the bravest of the Orcs.

I also admire how you conveniently ignored the rest of my post. Disappointing but not surprising.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Some irrelevant loser in the heat of a battle (how do you know he was aiming at Harry) isn't the same thing as your own general defying you to your face. You're a dumb person.

How do I know he was aiming at Harry? Who was he aiming the sentient dark magical fire at, then? I guess the dude just really hated Ron? Or Hermoine?

Originally posted by Viritrilbia
Doesn't change my point. Nice evasion skills but I see through it and I hope others do to (I know some that will.)

Now, about your "evidence".
The people who you say are "afraid" of Voldemort are humans. That means they are concerned for their own survival and lives. They are cunning and weasely.
Orcs, on the other hand, are driven more by anger than cunning to survive. It's a totally different mindset and Azog is by far one of the bravest of the Orcs.

I also admire how you conveniently ignored the rest of my post. Disappointing but not surprising.

What ? Azog cried out when he lost his arm to Thorin and was rushed to safety to preserve his life. He seethed in anger but didn't complain when other orcs whisked him away to safety when he lost that confrontation.

Azog stood right up to Sauron in a one on one meeting. Sauron was still powerful enough to crush Gandalf so don't act like he was powerless there against Azog. Azog made demands that wouldn't happen against Lord Voldemort. It didn't ever happen.

Voldemort made highly skilled wizards with a proud history utter cowards in his presence in Lucius' home. Voldemort is the true dark lord. Sauron would bow down like he bowed down to Morgoth. "Servant of Morgoth."

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Originally posted by Surtur
How do I know he was aiming at Harry? Who was he aiming the sentient dark magical fire at, then? I guess the dude just really hated Ron? Or Hermoine?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So three wizards they all wanted to kill but you claim Harry only without proof. You made the claim so unless you can back it up it becomes baseless.

Just admit a chubby teenager wasn't afraid of Voldemort. I doubt Crabbe had even held a titty before.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just admit a chubby teenager wasn't afraid of Voldemort. I doubt Crabbe had even held a titty before.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When was it ever proven he wasn't afraid of Voldemort ?? You really are seriously stupid.

Weren't you using examples of someone questioning someone else as an example of lack of fear?

Yet a chubby teen ignoring the one main rule Voldemort had handed down? Gets nothing from you. Did they suddenly forget about the massive army of evil wizards outside? Or the telepathic message from Voldemort asking Harry to be handed over, that everyone heard?

Originally posted by Surtur
Weren't you using examples of someone questioning someone else as an example of lack of fear?

Yet a chubby teen ignoring the one main rule Voldemort had handed down? Gets nothing from you. Did they suddenly forget about the massive army of evil wizards outside? Or the telepathic message from Voldemort asking Harry to be handed over, that everyone heard?

Prove he tried to kill Harry. I can prove Azog made demands from Sauron to his face. What wizard made demands of Voldemort to his face ?

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Lol wait so you think he just sent the sentient dark magical fire after him in order to just ruffle his feathers?

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol wait so you think he just sent the sentient dark magical fire after him in order to just ruffle his feathers?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He let loose a spell in which he couldn't properly control. It killed him you idiot. Was that his intention ? For **** sake you're a moron.

I never said his intention was to kill himself. His intention was to kill Harry and he lost control of the spell.

Him being not very good at magic doesn't actually change anything about his intent. What do you feel he would have done if he *could* control the fire?

Originally posted by Surtur
I never said his intention was to kill himself. His intention was to kill Harry and he lost control.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove he wanted to kill Harry. He lost control of it which wasn't his intention at all. And you have avoided the other example of someone making a direct face to face demand from Sauron but that never occurred with Voldemort. You are as always a clueless schmuck.

I never said his intention was to lose control. What do you feel he intended to do with this spell if he could control it?

Are you seriously going to argue he didn't use this spell with deadly intent?