I dunno. This scene kinda seems to showcase the absolute terror Voldy puts his own ppl thru. It is palpable.
So far, can't remember a single scene in LotR where Sauron made his own troops (particularly his higher ups) tremble in this way.
I dunno. This scene kinda seems to showcase the absolute terror Voldy puts his own ppl thru. It is palpable.
So far, can't remember a single scene in LotR where Sauron made his own troops (particularly his higher ups) tremble in this way.
Originally posted by SurturYou made the claim he tried to kill Harry.
I never said his intention was to lose control. What do you feel he intended to do with this spell if he could control it?Are you seriously going to argue he didn't use this spell with deadly intent?
Prove it. If you can't prove it then don't make these claims. It's obvious the deatheaters feared Voldemort far more than Sauron's orcs feared him.
Originally posted by Nibedicus👆
I dunno. This scene kinda seems to showcase the absolute terror Voldy puts his own ppl thru. It is palpable.So far, can't remember a single scene in LotR where Sauron made his own troops (particularly his higher ups) tremble in this way.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You made the claim he tried to kill Harry.Prove it. If you can't prove it then don't make these claims. It's obvious the deatheaters feared Voldemort far more than Sauron's orcs feared him.
You made the claim he wasn't trying to kill him. I'm asking you what he planned to do with the dark magical fire.
If the goal was to capture Harry instead of killing him..regardless of whether or not Crabbe could control the spell perfectly...it's not a spell that makes sense to be used for that lol. Not when mind control and other disabling spells exist.
Originally posted by SurturYou made the initial claim in which your point is based off. I don't have to disprove your claims you have to first prove them. Do you not after all these years understand simple debating ?
You made the claim he wasn't trying to kill him. I'm asking you what he planned to do with the dark magical fire.If the goal was to capture Harry instead of killing him..regardless of whether or not Crabbe could control the spell perfectly...it's not a spell that makes sense to be used for that lol. Not when mind control and other disabling spells exist.
I was also Goyle not Crabbe you dumb ****. Watch trhe ****ing movies you insufferable hack. As always you cannot back your claims or even reference the proper character due to ignorance.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You made the initial claim in which your point is based off. I don't have to disprove your claims you have to first prove them. Do you not after all these years understand simple debating ?I was also Goyle not Crabbe you dumb ****. Watch trhe ****ing movies you insufferable hack. As always you cannot back your claims or even reference the proper character due to ignorance.
I find it strange you continually avoid the question: why dd he conjure up the spell if not to kill?
Originally posted by quanchi112
How do you know he intendedit to kill them all ? Again you made the claim he wanted Harry dead so prove it.
I make the claim because he conjured up a spell whose only purpose would be to achieve the death of Harry.
I have asked you to refute that by showing what other purposes he'd use it for. Did he think Harry was cold and just wanted to keep him warm until Voldemort got there?
Originally posted by SurturNo, he let loose a spell in which you want to maintain control over so you didn't prove he sent it after Harry. There were two other wizards there. If you can't prove he sent it after Harry then it is a baseless claim.
I make the claim because he conjured up a spell whose only purpose would be to achieve the death of Harry.I have asked you to refute that by showing what other purposes he'd use it for. Did he think Harry was cold and just wanted to keep him warm until Voldemort got there?
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he let loose a spell in which you want to maintain control over so you didn't prove he sent it after Harry. There were two other wizards there. If you can't prove he sent it after Harry then it is a baseless claim.
They wanted to kill Harry though lol, they were egging Malfoy on to do it, and essentially told him to f*ck off when he tried to say to take him alive.
The fact you feel they didn't want all 3 of them dead is very very odd.
But wait no it's not odd because you're doing it in defense of Voldemort. Damn what if someone made a "Khan vs Voldemort" thread? Your heart would break.
Originally posted by SurturSo you can't prove it.
They wanted to kill Harry though lol, they were egging Malfoy on to do it, and essentially told him to f*ck off when he tried to say to take him alive.The fact you feel they didn't want all 3 of them dead is very very odd.
But wait no it's not odd because you're doing it in defense of Voldemort. Damn what if someone made a "Khan vs Voldemort" thread? Your heart would break.
Goyle ended up dying you dummy.
Baseless claim.
Originally posted by NemeBro
So, now that I'm no longer drawn into the childish game of trying to one-up quan, I have an important question to ask:Is there a single time in the films that one of Sauron's troops ever demonstrates fear toward Sauron? A single time? I can't think of one.
Well you remember that one time the orc and Oruk-Hai were up in that one tower and the Oruk-Hai saw Frodo's mithril armor and the orc was like "this is going to the great eye" and the Oruk-Hai was like "yep, not disobeying that at all". Then they shook hands.
But yeah no, most of his troops were akin to emotionally broken slaves.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'd also say Voldemort, he's unhinged as f*ck. Much more likely to kill one of his pawns just for the hell of it. Sauron's powerful and evil, but doesn't strike me as the type to abuse his minions for no reason. Could be wrong, though.
Sauron spends most of the movies without an actual physical form. We aren't given much insight into his personality other than "he is evil".
Meanwhile whenever Voldemort stubs his toe everyone in the vicinity seems to end up dead.
I suppose you could say you really have to walk on eggshells with Voldemort, lest you piss him off. On the other hand the guy just tends to AK people, quick and painless. I get the feeling if someone truly pissed Sauron off whatever happened would be neither quick nor painless.
Originally posted by SurturSpeculatige nonsense. We debate on facts not what ifs. We see an upper ranking Orc make demands of him to his face. Voldemort is clearly more feared. We have actual examples you trainwreck.
Sauron spends most of the movies without an actual physical form. We aren't given much insight into his personality other than "he is evil".Meanwhile whenever Voldemort stubs his toe everyone in the vicinity seems to end up dead.
I suppose you could say you really have to walk on eggshells with Voldemort, lest you piss him off. On the other hand the guy just tends to AK people, quick and painless. I get the feeling if someone truly pissed Sauron off whatever happened would be neither quick nor painless.