Who is more feared among their own troops ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. He was his general but he took Hyrule himself with his Twibeasts.

Zant did so but Dorf was not present. We see Dorf later on. Link murders him.

Zant was not even killed by !ink and takes multiple levels to beat him too.

Dorf failed both times he showed up. Once by the sages and once by Link.

Yes but that assuming Zant was himself the whole time, and even so when the difference in Link's strength between the Zant encounter and the Gannon encounter is quite broad. So you have no point.

Now shut it and argue about the actual thread this is Movie versus.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Yes but that assuming Zant was himself the whole time, and even so when the difference in Link's strength between the Zant encounter and the Gannon encounter is quite broad. So you have no point.

Now shut it and argue about the actual thread this is Movie versus.

Link's strength didn't improve but his abilities did. The point is Zant was good enough to best him unlike Dorf. Dorf is a lot more powerful and still was soundly defeated.

Voldemort clearly. His troops won't even look him in the eye. Sauron has his general openly make demands from him.

Voldemort wins. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Sauron

I was going to say Voldemort but then I realized the only people who know he exist are wizards.

Someone in here made a good point about fear vs. respect. Very good point and it changed my mind.

Voldemort is definitely more feared by his followers.
Sauron is more respected, or at least has more control over his subjects.

The alien queen.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Sauron

I was going to say Voldemort but then I realized the only people who know he exist are wizards.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Someone in here made a good point about fear vs. respect. Very good point and it changed my mind.

Voldemort is definitely more feared by his followers.
Sauron is more respected, or at least has more control over his subjects.

Voldy is more feared by his army.

Sauron's orcs don't necessarily fear him. At least not to the extent deatheaters feared voldy

Originally posted by Firefly218
Voldy is more feared by his army.

Sauron's orcs don't necessarily fear him. At least not to the extent deatheaters feared voldy

Correct but Vold was feared by his army and all of Hogwarts..no one feared Sauron cause he was dead. And they all laughed at Gandolf for saying he had returned..

The Sauron side has conceded the argument to Voldemort. Rejoice.

Anyone disagree with the evidentiary backed winner, Voldemort.

I don't know much about the others, but from what I do know, Sauron takes this easily. Not even a good question. 😛

Literally, when Sauron's form was destroyed, his troops couldn't even fight anymore. He had enough "will" power to control entire legions. If you've read the LOTR, some dialogue between the orcs gives it away. They're terrified, absolutely terrified, of even the Nazgul.

A much more fair thread, IMO, would have the Nazgul in the place of Sauron. The others are more or less human. Sauron is a cosmic being whose magical dominion was simply "torture". That should say something. 😆

Originally posted by Viritrilbia
I don't know much about the others, but from what I do know, Sauron takes this easily. Not even a good question. 😛

Literally, when Sauron's form was destroyed, his troops couldn't even fight anymore. He had enough "will" power to control entire legions. If you've read the LOTR, some dialogue between the orcs gives it away. They're terrified, absolutely terrified, of even the Nazgul.

A much more fair thread, IMO, would have the Nazgul in the place of Sauron. The others are more or less human. Sauron is a cosmic being whose magical dominion was simply "torture". That should say something. 😆

Superman and Batman aka the murder brothers are the most feared.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort's siege stopped as well. Horrible reasoning and Azog directly challenged Sauron. No death eater would dare challenge Voldemort to his face in an isolated situation similar to Azog's defiance.

I don't think so. Sauron in that form was much less terrifying as he was still lying low. According to generally accepted canon orcs never spoke with Sauron, even leaders like Azog. Remember they took a lot of liberties with the Hobbit films. 😉

Voldemort may be more unpredictable and that leads to a worse chance of standing up to him successfully. However, Sauron would kill his own troops at random. According to the books, his closest armies were driven mainly by terror. NOT by any external hate towards the other party.

Originally posted by Viritrilbia
I don't think so. Sauron in that form was much less terrifying as he was still lying low. According to generally accepted canon orcs never spoke with Sauron, even leaders like Azog. Remember they took a lot of liberties with the Hobbit films. 😉

Voldemort may be more unpredictable and that leads to a worse chance of standing up to him successfully. However, Sauron would kill his own troops at random. According to the books, his closest armies were driven mainly by terror. NOT by any external hate towards the other party.

Films only. No one dared to say shit to Voldemort amongst his troops while the same cannot be said for Sauron's. The answer is clearly Voldemort. Azog, kiddo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We are discussing the movies not the books you obvious sock. We debate based off the films so that means you don't close your gross eyes and pretend it didn't happen and then reference the books.

Films only. No one dared to say shit to Voldemort amongst his troops while the same cannot be said for Sauron's. The answer is clearly Voldemort. Azog, kiddo.

Wow, I'm surprised at the immaturity.

Point out the exact words where I said it didn't happen in the movie.
That's right, you can't. You're making assumptions and putting words into my mounth.

I said it never happened in the books, which is true.

Of course we are discussing based on the movies. That doesn't mean movie Sauron is any less fearful. The question was "Who was more feared among their troops", not "Who had more bold Captains", because, as you know, Azog is much braver than any leader Voldemort had.

Azog didn't say shit to Sauron. Give me his exact words. Thanks. And, by the way, there's a reason Sauron has a big lead in the poll. 😉

I think I can sum this up easily: Crabbe tried to murder Harry. Despite being specifically ordered to not kill Harry by Voldemort(as everyone was under orders to do), Crabbe tried. A 17 yr. old wasn't afraid to defy Voldemort.

Originally posted by Surtur
I think I can sum this up easily: Crabbe tried to murder Harry. Despite being specifically ordered to not kill Harry by Voldemort(as everyone was under orders to do), Crabbe tried. A 17 yr. old wasn't afraid to defy Voldemort.