WBH VS King Thor

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So as we don't know, it is foolish to think KThor would lose a slugfest, as we don't know how much energy he could bring to bear. Yes, WBH is insanely powerful, but without knowing KThor's capabilities, he could well be far above him. Could be below, true, but we don't know. So a slugfest, Hulk's best chance, is iffy.

Whereas we definitely know a: Kthor can stop time and b: WBH was frozen in time.

But since we don't have that option, we go by feats. If character A feats are greater than character B's, then character A is stronger, faster, more durable, etc.

Otherwise, you can't say that Thor is stronger than Hawkman.

KThor isn't going to start the match stopping time. Thus hulk kills him in 1 blow.

Originally posted by h1a8
these characters don't exist. There is no such thing that KThor could be above WBH. We can't measure anything because the characters don't exist. We have to go in the mind of the writers AT THE TIME THEY WROTE THE ARC to know limits on physical power levels.

But since we don't have that option, we go by feats. If character A feats are greater than character B's, then character A is stronger, faster, more durable, etc.

Otherwise, you can't say that Thor is stronger than Hawkman.

KThor isn't going to start the match stopping time. Thus hulk kills him in 1 blow.

IOW you agree that a time stop would give KT the win.

Honestly, every time i see Hulk vs DS, it's like the Cold War all over again except they're fighting directly.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thus hulk kills him in 1 blow.

What if Thor channelled his time stopping energy into his durability?

You yourself admitted you had no idea how much it would take to stop time. Could be a lot, could be little. So how can you say with such certainty that KThor, channelling all his power, can't survive it?

Plus, he withstood a punch that fell with the force of a billion supernovas.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Honestly, every time i see Hulk vs DS, it's like the Cold War all over again except they're fighting directly.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t446355.html

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Damborgson
H1, how many times have you been viciously proved wrong about statements like "billions of times more power" or "Can't take a single hit from WBH"? So, in that reply, what could possibly make you think that I'm even remotely interested in arguing that nonsense with you?

The aforementioned term being the billion-supernove-force equivalent punch which he tanked from Galactus.

Which is well beyond WBH's planet busting feat.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Well, as Dark has been pointing out, between the 2 of them Thor is the one whose involved in a feat that is quantified with a term starting with the word "billion".

The aforementioned term being the billion-supernove-force equivalent punch which he tanked from Galactus.

Which is well beyond WBH's planet busting feat.

From Thor, God of Thunder 21:

So we know its King Thor.

From the same comic:

His rage DOTH burn like a billion supernovas....and his fists fall with the force of the same.

The use of 'doth' leads me to read it as archaic UK English. In that, 'billion' is a million million (and not a thousand million like you Yankees use).

So, yeah. If we want to use narration and what the writers were intending to show.....

Also, just a minor point, but this was an old King Thor, whose own granddaughters were treating him like some doddering old coot (IOW, he was hardly a raging warrior beast in his prime):

A further point:

Last Days of Midgard storyline (i.e. Thor: God of Thunder #19)started in February 2014.
Source: http://marvel.com/comics/issue/48850/thor_god_of_thunder_2012_19

This thread was created in March 2014.

So, the thread starter was likely using this version of KThor, JUST IN CASE, h1, you tried to argue that we were doing different versions.

Tbh, of all the posters, h1a8 I am most surprised at you. After seeing in the Six vs Thanos thread, where you argue so passionately about Superman fighting at full capacity, utilizing all his abilities and speed....

Then reduce KThor to a brawling brick and forget half his powers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
From Thor, God of Thunder 21:

So we know its King Thor.

From the same comic:

His rage DOTH burn like a billion supernovas....and his fists fall with the force of the same.

The use of 'doth' leads me to read it as archaic UK English. In that, 'billion' is a million million (and not a thousand million like you Yankees use).

So, yeah. If we want to use narration and what the writers were intending to show.....

Also, just a minor point, but this was an old King Thor, whose own granddaughters were treating him like some doddering old coot (IOW, he was hardly a raging warrior beast in his prime):

The planet wasn't destroyed when Galactus hit him with that punch.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How can you say that for certain, when you don't know the upper limits of Thor's durability?

What if Thor channelled his time stopping energy into his durability?

You yourself admitted you had no idea how much it would take to stop time. Could be a lot, could be little. So how can you say with such certainty that KThor, channelling all his power, can't survive it?

Plus, he withstood a punch that fell with the force of a billion supernovas.

Two things.
1. KThor isn't going to time stop before he is instantly killed
2. Even with a time stop, how would he precede?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbh, of all the posters, h1a8 I am most surprised at you. After seeing in the Six vs Thanos thread, where you argue so passionately about Superman fighting at full capacity, utilizing all his abilities and speed....

Then reduce KThor to a brawling brick and forget half his powers.

I even said Superman might take a hit or two in the beginning to gauge the enemy as that is his character. But he isn't going to not use speed when he is at a disadvantage. That's crazy.

Originally posted by carver9
The planet wasn't destroyed when Galactus hit him with that punch.

Really?

You'reusing collateral damage arguments???

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Really?

You'reusing collateral damage arguments???

Yes, I learned it from you, crazy.

Originally posted by h1a8
these characters don't exist. There is no such thing as IF.
We only go one what is shown since we can't always get into the minds of the writers. If there is no evidence to support someone being at a certain level then he is not. We go by feats. Otherwise, many things can't be debated.

Two things.
1. KThor isn't going to time stop before he is instantly killed
2. Even with a time stop, how would he precede?

Billion supernovas. On panel.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, I learned it from you, crazy.

Why couldn't you have learnt how to debate from me 🙁

Originally posted by h1a8
What are you talking about?
Thor has never stopped time in battle. If he did then I wouldn't be arguing it. Superman has many times used his speed effectively in battle. full capacity rule has the key words, "as shown before". Thor is worthy because he has a warriors mentality. That means he's not going to go into his fights just stopping time from the get go. That's a coward move. He wouldn't be worthy then.

I even said Superman might take a hit or two in the beginning to gauge the enemy as that is his character. But he isn't going to not use speed when he is at a disadvantage. That's crazy.

Crazy thing is H1 even know about using an ability during battle.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why couldn't you have learnt how to debate from me 🙁

Lol...your entire debating style is about a character using one ability, with a mixture of lowballing as well. I can do that in my sleep. You ignore the in character rule and focus more on a single power that would give a character a 'possible' advantage. CIS is always on my friend.