Darth Nyriss vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Where does Revan say so? All I can recall is this:

"With Malak by his side and the Star Forge supplying his fleet, Revan formed a new Sith Empire and prepared to conqueror the Republic. Only by uniting the galaxy under his rule could Revan hope to defeat the threat posed by the Emperor."

In Revan:

“But though we had underestimated the Emperor’s power, he underestimated us, as well. Our wills were stronger than he thought; our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. Malak and I were turned to the dark side, but in doing so we found the strength to block out all memory of the Sith and the Emperor, partially freeing us from his control.”

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. Everything you said in that statement was wrong.
They both canonically broke free from his hold shortly after the mind domination.

If you have read the sources that I consult, you wouldn't be questioning my statement.

Revan himself revealed to Meetra and Scourge that he (himself) and Malak were able to reduce Emperor's influence on them at maximum.

Revan completely broke free from Emperor's control while undergoing mindwipe from the Jedi Council. This implies that Malak wasn't able to broke free from Emperor's control properly.

In Revan:

“But though we had underestimated the Emperor’s power, he underestimated us, as well. Our wills were stronger than he thought; our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. Malak and I were turned to the dark side, but in doing so we found the strength to block out all memory of the Sith and the Emperor, partially freeing us from his control.

This is different from the Old Republic Encyclopedia, so it's conflicting sources. Since one is a character opinion, TORE out rules it. Also, do not forget the different circumstances. The mind control against Revan/Malak was of no doubt more hard-pressed then against the Jedi. Vitiate was on a stronger nexus, had more time to prepare, and NEEDED the mind control to stay strong enough for them to attack the Republic.

Revan himself revealed to Meetra and Scourge that he (himself) and Malak were able to reduce Emperor's influence on them at maximum.

Revan completely broke free from Emperor's control while undergoing mindwipe from the Jedi Council. This implies that Malak wasn't able to broke free from Emperor's control properly.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This is different from the Old Republic Encyclopedia, so it's conflicting sources. Since one is a character opinion, TORE out rules it. Also, do not forget the different circumstances. The mind control against Revan/Malak was of no doubt more hard-pressed then against the Jedi. Vitiate was on a stronger nexus, had more time to prepare, and NEEDED the mind control to stay strong enough for them to attack the Republic.

Nah bro, I think we can trust Revan the most out of anything. He was kind of slightly actually there when it happened.

Also, no to the second thing. Recall that Vitiate had seen a vision of the HoT defeating him. You don't think he would overclock that shit to the MAX???? Also Vitiate had all the time in the world after they'd been defeated to take his time and fully dominate them.

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/blog/darth-malak-respect-thread/97104/

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Considering Revan and Malak were actively opposing Vitiate I don't really see how one could say they were even partially under his control.

Probably they knew they were preparing the galaxy for something but couldn't remember what. Or they were just doing it subconsciously.

Huh, from what the Encyclopedia and KotOR II show it appears Revan was preparing the galaxy to fight off the True Sith. Even if he was doing so subconsciously, I still fail to see how that means Revan and Malak were still partially under Vitate's control

I mean, I guess they were trying to conquer the galaxy but that's kinda what Sith do.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/blog/darth-malak-respect-thread/97104/

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What?

Originally posted by ares834
Huh, from what the Encyclopedia and KotOR II show it appears Revan was preparing the galaxy to fight off the True Sith. Even if he was doing so subconsciously, I still fail to see how that means Revan and Malak were still partially under Vitate's control

I mean, I guess they were trying to conquer the galaxy but that's kinda what Sith do.

As Revan said, they only twisted his instructions in their minds so they thought they were acting freely, while they were still compelled to conquer the galaxy. They were still doing what he'd told them too in the end.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As Revan said, they only twisted his instructions in their minds so they thought they were acting freely, while they were still compelled to conquer the galaxy. They were still doing what he'd told them too in the end.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As Revan said, they only twisted his instructions in their minds so they thought they were acting freely, while they were still compelled to conquer the galaxy. They were still doing what he'd told them too in the end.

Not really. He sent them there to conquer the galaxy for him and finally report to him. Revan and Malak, however, sought to create their own empire and ultimately oppose Vitiate. That's a pretty big difference.

Vitate did complete Revan and Malak's fall to the dark side. But that really seems to be the extent of his influence over them by the time of the Jedi Civil War.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As Revan said, they only twisted his instructions in their minds so they thought they were acting freely, while they were still compelled to conquer the galaxy. They were still doing what he'd told them too in the end.

Not according to Drew Karpyshan! 👆

Originally posted by ares834
Not really.

Somehow, I think Revan would know better than you would.

What?

The guy who wrote the book.

*gasp*
Lol but no, I mean, what are you referring to when you say not according to him?

Both Revan and Malak were subconsciously doing what Sith Emperor had intended them to do:

1. Find the Star Forge
2. Build a Sith Empire or military might
3. Destroy the Republic

Revan and Malak managed to reduce the influence of Sith Emperor on them with their own strength(s) and this is why they ended up as not being Emperor's mere puppets in the long run. However, both of them were subconsciously doing what Sith Emperor intended them to do; this implies control of Emperor on them.

LOL

Originally posted by Nephthys
Somehow, I think Revan would know better than you would.

Perhaps. Just like the KotOR campaign guide knows more than you about the "prime of the Jedi".