Darth Nyriss vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Available" can mean in the last 100 years, not the 13 years from Palpatine. Also, Palpatine would of course not intentionally make it a Nexus, the Jedi like Yoda go in and out through their. If they would realize it was a dark side nexus, shit would go down. Vitiate however, can do as he frees, and has more time to do it. Think logically here.

You should think logically here. It would be in Vitiates best interest not to make it a nexus. The Fortress is supposed to be a secret and is constantly cloaked. If it were a nexus, it would be possible for a Force User to sense it, perhaps while flying close to it and find Vitiates secret base.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
By hiding in his Nexus, and the hype he has generated throughout the ranks which leads to fear.

It isn't mere hype. SWTORE and the codex say that Vitiates mere presence creates fear and obedience in his subjects and turns the greatest of Sith into trembling sycophants.

If it were a nexus, it would be possible for a Force User to sense it, perhaps while flying close to it and find Vitiates secret base.

SWTORE and the codex say that Vitiates mere presence creates fear and obedience in his subjects and turns the greatest of Sith into trembling sycophants.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side. They argued briefly over whether to alert the Republic and Jedi Council, but Revan was already too consumed by arrogance and anger to consider the possibility of defeat. By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.

Focus on canon information.

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1. Canon information
2. Official opinion of authors
3. Unofficial opinion of authors

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not really, unless your counting the Emperor's Space Station....which is most likely a Nexus. And no opponents impressed me their but Hero.

In addition, I am not interested in your opinion about the Jedi who attempted to subdue Sith Emperor. Canonically, those Jedi are among the Jedi finest and this matters.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
With Prep/Nexus.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In the comfort of his Nexus.

Analogy: Malgus kicked some serious Jedi ass inside Jedi Temple, a place massively strong in the light side.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
By hiding in his Nexus, and the hype he has generated throughout the ranks which leads to fear.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Excuse you, but I have him fourth most powerful Sith. That is indeed special.

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side. They argued briefly over whether to alert the Republic and Jedi Council, but Revan was already too consumed by arrogance and anger to consider the possibility of defeat. By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.

Can you prove that Emperor's Space Station is a nexus? I bet you can't.

Canonically, those Jedi are among the Jedi finest and this matters.

BS

What do you think happened on Nathema?

Analogy: Malgus kicked some serious Jedi ass inside Jedi Temple, a place massively strong in the light side.

Do me a favor; read Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia. This book adequately addresses your BS.

Do I care about your personal rankings? I don't

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres Rakatan tech on Dantooine, Belsavis, Nar Shaddaa, Manaan and Kashyyyk and I don't think any of those are DS nexuses. Likewise theres nothing pointing to the fortress as a nexus.

You are wrong. Its stated that area is shrouded in the DS on Dantooine. IDK about Nar Shaddaa or Belsavis, but Manaan it is theorized that the giant queen monster shark was so massive because of the presence of the Dark Side. Jolee theorized the beasts in the underforest were so powerful and volatile because of the presence of the Star Map, and the Krayt Dragon is believed to have been attracted to the Star Map by its dark side energy.

That spot was from the death of Sidious as I recall. Nothing has occurred on the fortress like that which would create a nexus. Theres no reason to believe that the nexus of Dromund Kaas (provided there is one) extends into space.

Why would the most powerful DS user in the galaxy not make his stronghold a nexus of his power though?

Warren Sedoru used to be the greatest Jedi Warrior of the Order and is their best infiltration expert. Even weakened its not a stretch to say he's a badass. Leeha is the only 'featless' one and even then Braga speaks highly of her and shes noted to have never known defeat. I'd agree that those two are likely not as powerful as the Consular, Shan or Kaedan, but they are canonically among the best in the order. The feat is hardly unimpressive. Its still an incredible feat beyond all but the very, very top of the tiers imo.

Its stated Warren's connection to the force diminished after the first Great War. I also have a hard time believing he was the greatest warrior in the order. I mean not knowing defeat isn't all that impressive in a time of war when defeat most of the times means death.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yes! Exactly! He was able to do this with the Nexus (Dromaund Kaas) and the preparation from Yuri (I believe that was her name), who informed Vitiate about it all and that she was leading them to his throne.

2. Sith Emperor was aware of the presence of the Jedi, Yuri just did her job to ensure that the Jedi would meet Sith Emperor.

3. Sith Emperor broke the mighty Jedi duo with a fraction of his power. I don't see why such minimum effort would require any special preparation beforehand; preparation is made for stuff which cannot be handled without it (common sense).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I concede here...but leads me to my next point:

Do they have anything that puts them above Ahsoka? lol

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I accept your concession

Ignorance is bliss (for you).

Most of the known confrontations of Sith Emperor took place in regions that are not canonically identified as nexus.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The destruction was designed so Vitiate could harness the power, not that he would have to fight to survive it. Nothing was damaged but the life he was draining...I don't see how this means he "tanked" it. lol

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yes? Malgus is pretty badass.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I own the book. I have read it numerous times in hope for Revan accolades.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Y u mad. This only Star Wars.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Interesting. I'll concede here, but it won't do you any do, for this is literally Vitiate's only feat without a Nexus.

What about when he defeated his Sith Lord father and stripped him of his mind when he was 10?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And the feat he performed is not that impressive, considering the feats the other top tier Sith like Sidious, Bane, Caedus, etc have.

Yes, it is. Bane failed to overpower 8 Umbaran Assassins at once in RoT, who are stated to be middling with the Force. By contrast Vitiate overpowered 4 of the most powerful Jedi of the era. Overpowering multiple Force Users at once is always a great feat, like Sidious doing so to the Zabrak brothers.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Do the three Jedi besides Hero even have feats that put him above like Ahsoka level? I don't believe they even do.

😐

Um, yes? Tol Braga fought a Dark Council member for days, overcomes Vitiates mental domination by himself, something not even Revan could do and at the end of the game visibly presses the Hero in a fight possibly hours before the Hero would defeat Vitiate. Warren Sedoru was the Jedi's finest warrior in his prime and is the greatest infiltration expert they have. Leeha Narez was a Jedi who had never been defeated before the assault on the space station. All of them are stated to be 'the strongest', 'the most powerful and most resolute Jedi in the Order' by the loadings screens in the game and the encyclopedia.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You act as if this feature isn't unique among the high Sith tiers. 🙄

It isn't. Other Sith inspire fear in others out of respect for their power and abilities, Vitiate instils fear in others through his Force powers.

"The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi's connection to the light side."

"Those who speak with the Voice are overwhelmed by dread and unshakable obedience. To speak with the Voice is to speak with the Emperor himself."

Originally posted by Nephthys
overcomes Vitiates mental domination by himself, something not even [b]Revan could do[/B]

Both Revan and Malak actually did so.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
You are wrong. Its stated that area is shrouded in the DS on Dantooine. IDK about Nar Shaddaa or Belsavis, but Manaan it is theorized that the giant queen monster shark was so massive because of the presence of the Dark Side. Jolee theorized the beasts in the underforest were so powerful and volatile because of the presence of the Star Map, and the Krayt Dragon is believed to have been attracted to the Star Map by its dark side energy.[/b]

IDC.

Nar Shadaa had a seed of a similar technology to the Star Forge on it. One that didn't require a Force User to operate it and supported a population with food, clothes, air and battle droids defenses. Belsavis has a metric ****ton of Rakatan technology on it. Looooooooads. And I don't recall anyone saying anything about a nexus at all.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Why would the most powerful DS user in the galaxy not make his stronghold a nexus of his power though?

As I said above, the fortress is a secret. A nexus can be sensed by Force Users.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Its stated Warren's connection to the force diminished after the first Great War. I also have a hard time believing he was the greatest warrior in the order. I mean not knowing defeat isn't all that impressive in a time of war when defeat most of the times means death.

I'm aware of that, but is it not possible that it diminished from 'Greatest Jedi at the time' to merely 'Very powerful Jedi Master?' Tol Braga tells you that Warren used to be the greatest warrior in the Order after his mission on Balmorra, a title which the Hero now possesses. Leeha never fought during the war, as far as I know Hoth was the first time she'd fought Imperial forces. It still implies shes never lost during, like, training or something.

Originally posted by ares834
Both Revan and Malak actually did so.

Only partially. Thats why both still attacked the Republic. Tol Braga completely overthrew Vitiates control.

No, Revan/Malak attacked the Republic in hopes to establish a new empire capable of defeating Vitiates.

No, I'm pretty sure they were still partially dominated. Revan himself says so iirc.

Originally posted by Nephthys
IDC.

Nar Shadaa had a seed of a similar technology to the Star Forge on it. One that didn't require a Force User to operate it and supported a population with food, clothes, air and battle droids defenses. Belsavis has a metric ****ton of Rakatan technology on it. Looooooooads. And I don't recall anyone saying anything about a nexus at all.

Nar Shadaa masks the presence of the force though so you wouldn't be able to sense the DS nexus. Don't know about Belsavis. Also the theories are based on the **** ton of Dark Side energy your Jedi companions sense from the artifact. Oh right and lets not even talk about Korriban.

As I said above, the fortress is a secret. A nexus can be sensed by Force Users.

So can other powerful force users.

I'm aware of that, but is it not possible that it diminished from 'Greatest Jedi at the time' to merely 'Very powerful Jedi Master?' Tol Braga tells you that Warren used to be the greatest warrior in the Order after his mission on Balmorra, a title which the Hero now possesses. Leeha never fought during the war, as far as I know Hoth was the first time she'd fought Imperial forces. It still implies shes never lost during, like, training or something.

Wait HoT was the strongest even as of mid-game? Eh, not really that impressive.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, I'm pretty sure they were still partially dominated. Revan himself says so iirc.

Where does Revan say so? All I can recall is this:

"With Malak by his side and the Star Forge supplying his fleet, Revan formed a new Sith Empire and prepared to conqueror the Republic. Only by uniting the galaxy under his rule could Revan hope to defeat the threat posed by the Emperor."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, Revan/Malak attacked the Republic in hopes to establish a new empire capable of defeating Vitiates.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Nar Shadaa masks the presence of the force though so you wouldn't be able to sense the DS nexus. Don't know about Belsavis. Also the theories are based on the **** ton of Dark Side energy your Jedi companions sense from the artifact. Oh right and lets not even talk about Korriban.

As I said, I don't care. Nar Shaddaa doesn't mask it that much. Your character can't feel anything two feet from the thing. Belsavis is a Rakatan prison planet. Literally the entire thing is infested with Rakatan tech. Korriban is a given though.

Tatooine also has Rakatan artifacts on it in TOR.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
So can other powerful force users.

Are you suggesting Vitiates doesn't know how to mask his Force presence?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Wait HoT was the strongest even as of mid-game? Eh, not really that impressive.

The Hero is stated to be the strongest as of Tython. excellent

I'd say its impressive. I dunno wtf you're smoking.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Hero is stated to be the strongest as of [b]Tython. excellent [/B]

Yikes. That really puts into perspective how lame the TOR Jedi really are.

biscuits

Revan broke free from Emperor's control after unwittingly undergoing the mindwipe performed on him by the Jedi Council.

Malak remained under control of Emperor, this explains his stubbornness and lack of wisdom.

No. Everything you said in that statement was wrong.
They both canonically broke free from his hold shortly after the mind domination.

Originally posted by ares834
Yikes. That really puts into perspective how lame the TOR Jedi really are.

biscuits

I like how when I pointed that out, Tempest only referred to the HoT as a 'minor prodigy' in response, lol.

You can read the list of accolades here. Bengal Morr claims that "You are stronger than any Jedi I have known” after you beat him at the end of the Tython quest line. Orgus Din also says “The Force is strong in you. Stronger than I've seen in decades.” at the same point. The Hero really is that good.