Hao Asakura(Shaman King) vs 3 Sannins(Naruto)

Started by wakkawakkawakka4 pages

Okay so since you ignore the essay posts, I'll be brief this time and try to address key points. Hao has lightspeed reaction feats, the ability to transmute elements, flights at hypersonic speeds, the ability to disintegrate people on contact, soul absorb, an even the ability to take out a modernized naval force and catch missiles:
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-8014-2/shaman-king/chapter-262.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-8014-5/shaman-king/chapter-262.html

Shield durability =/= own durability which is what I've been tryng to convey with Orochimaru. Regardless of necessity I'm asking whether or not you are capable of showing me Orochimaru tanking a mountain buster w/o a shield. This is a yes(with panels supporting it) or no question

Can't believe it took you this long to post feats for the Sannin. Yet for reasons found on this page I can conclude that none of the scans you posted match what Hao can do based on what I've already posted.

To clarify the comet feat, both the wiki and the manga panels show that Hao is the one who made and swung the comet sword. For clarification here's Hao making the comet:
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-30755-12/shaman-king/chapter-299.html

Also none of what you posted shows any of the Sannin mountain busting or tanking mountain buster. Along with this Jiraiya's fire jutsu would be less than useless here and what ever happened to that Giant Rasengan you mention all that time ago? Don't think I just forgot.

Suigetsu is not his brother and should not be compare to his brother who doesn't have feats. Gamabunta didn't significantly damage the Shukaku therefore has no evidence supporting the notion that it could actually beat it.

Nagato's Path powers are not summons unless you can provide a statement or a scan showing me that they are summons. You mentioned it so you have to prove it.

The fact that Jiraiya's dead proves the notion that he could've beating all of Akatsuki wrong and that's still assuming that's what Itachi actually meant by back up.

Naruto had prep, knowledge of how the Paths work, and a far more powerful attack than Jiraiya's best jutsu and still lost to Pein in the first round. Leading me to conclude that even with knowledge and prep Pein could have still significantly injured Jiraiya if not killed him as soundly as he did the first time.

Choosing to ignore links and statements doesn't make the links any less valid.
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-8014-5/shaman-king/chapter-262.html

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Okay so since you ignore the essay posts, I'll be brief this time and try to address key points. Hao has lightspeed reaction feats, the ability to transmute elements, flights at hypersonic speeds, the ability to disintegrate people on contact, soul absorb, an even the ability to take out a modernized naval force and catch missiles:
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-8014-2/shaman-king/chapter-262.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-8014-5/shaman-king/chapter-262.html

Shield durability =/= own durability which is what I've been tryng to convey with Orochimaru. Regardless of necessity I'm asking whether or not you are capable of showing me Orochimaru tanking a mountain buster w/o a shield. This is a yes(with panels supporting it) or no question

Can't believe it took you this long to post feats for the Sannin. Yet for reasons found on this page I can conclude that none of the scans you posted match what Hao can do based on what I've already posted.

To clarify the comet feat, both the wiki and the manga panels show that Hao is the one who made and swung the comet sword. For clarification here's Hao making the comet:
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-30755-12/shaman-king/chapter-299.html

Also none of what you posted shows any of the Sannin mountain busting or tanking mountain buster. Along with this Jiraiya's fire jutsu would be less than useless here and what ever happened to that Giant Rasengan you mention all that time ago? Don't think I just forgot.

Suigetsu is not his brother and should not be compare to his brother who doesn't have feats. Gamabunta didn't significantly damage the Shukaku therefore has no evidence supporting the notion that it could actually beat it.

Nagato's Path powers are not summons unless you can provide a statement or a scan showing me that they are summons. You mentioned it so you have to prove it.

The fact that Jiraiya's dead proves the notion that he could've beating all of Akatsuki wrong and that's still assuming that's what Itachi actually meant by back up.

Naruto had prep, knowledge of how the Paths work, and a far more powerful attack than Jiraiya's best jutsu and still lost to Pein in the first round. Leading me to conclude that even with knowledge and prep Pein could have still significantly injured Jiraiya if not killed him as soundly as he did the first time.

Choosing to ignore links and statements doesn't make the links any less valid.
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-8014-5/shaman-king/chapter-262.html

Again, you're doing exactly what you accused me of doing. You're giving him powers without proving them. You gave scans of him catching and throwing back missiles. Anyone in anime can do that, even Kakashi did that against one of the Pain's with a much more powerful type of missile. Light speed? Where? Show me ONE scan that puts him anywhere NEAR a tenth of light speed. Not to mention that a Biju bomb is VASTLY more powerful than a modern torpedo, which is around a small house's level, whereas a Biju bomb is mountain range+ level. Also, you can't catch a biju bomb, as it'll blow up as soon as you touch it unless you wave it away, which Han could never even dream of doing.

Whatever. My point is that he always has the shield, meaning he can block anything that Hao throws at him a hundred times over without even feeling it.

Yeah, and you still haven't posted feats for Hao that even compare to what I posted, or what you claimed he's capable of.

No, to clarify the feat, here's this scan before what you posted.

So you're telling me that HoroHoro and Chocolove are Hao, now? They are the ones who made the comet and shot it at Hao, not Hao, dumb ass. Maybe stop lying all the time and you won't get embarrassed like this. 👆

Did you forget the post of Jiraiya casually tanking and waving aside a Nagato summon, which is Biju level? Or the post of Tsunade tanking dozens of mountain range cleaving slices from Madara's Susano'o? Or Jiraiya dishing out a mountain range sized fireball, and Orochimaru tanking it? Here, I'll post them again.

And just to prove the Tsunade feat to you, I'll show you what Madara's swords did to mountains.

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Exactly, Suigetsu is weaker than his brother, as he admitted several times before. Not to mention that his brother was better at Hozuki water jutsu, and was defeated by Taijutsu users. Suigetsu has never fought one, so he has no feats of fighting anyone but the type of person he's weak against. Again, Sakura would demolish Suigetsu, because she beat his more powerful brother.

Are you kidding? That's why it's called the "Animal path", dumb ass.

The fact that Jiraiya's dead proves the notion that Pain was correct in saying that he never could have won unless he kept his secret and snuck up on him. Itachi's statement has not been disproved. Pain specifically said that he would have never won if he didn't sneak up on Jiraiya like a little pussy. You can't just ignore the scan I posted. Here it is again, just incase you forgot.

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Naruto knew that a few of the paths had certain abilities, he didn't know which one had what power, and he didn't know about the Human path. Rasenshuriken stronger than Gallant rasengan? Pffffffttt, Rasenshuriken cut two Pains in half, while Gallant rasengan disintegrated one from BASE Jiraiya. Not to mention that Jiraiya also has the whole "Gargantuan fireball" thing in his favor, as well as the duet genjutsu, as well as the two statements proving that Jiraiya was VASTLY stronger than anyone in all of Naruto up until Madara showed up.

No, you not showing the scans is what makes them invalid. You have yet to show A SINGLE SCAN of Hao tanking or dishing out even a town buster, which proves that he would get one shotted by any given Sannin, AND be unable to even scratch them with his strongest attack.

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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Again, you're doing exactly what you accused me of doing. You're giving him powers without proving them. You gave scans of him catching and throwing back missiles. Anyone in anime can do that, even Kakashi did that against one of the Pain's with a much more powerful type of missile. Light speed? Where? Show me ONE scan that puts him anywhere NEAR a tenth of light speed. Not to mention that a Biju bomb is VASTLY more powerful than a modern torpedo, which is around a small house's level, whereas a Biju bomb is mountain range+ level. Also, you can't catch a biju bomb, as it'll blow up as soon as you touch it unless you wave it away, which Han could never even dream of doing.

Whatever. My point is that he always has the shield, meaning he can block anything that Hao throws at him a hundred times over without even feeling it.

Yeah, and you still haven't posted feats for Hao that even compare to what I posted, or what you claimed he's capable of.

No, to clarify the feat, here's this scan before what you posted.

So you're telling me that HoroHoro and Chocolove are Hao, now? They are the ones who made the comet and shot it at Hao, not Hao, dumb ass. Maybe stop lying all the time and you won't get embarrassed like this. 👆

Did you forget the post of Jiraiya casually tanking and waving aside a Nagato summon, which is Biju level? Or the post of Tsunade tanking dozens of mountain range cleaving slices from Madara's Susano'o? Or Jiraiya dishing out a mountain range sized fireball, and Orochimaru tanking it? Here, I'll post them again.

And just to prove the Tsunade feat to you, I'll show you what Madara's swords did to mountains.

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Exactly, Suigetsu is weaker than his brother, as he admitted several times before. Not to mention that his brother was better at Hozuki water jutsu, and was defeated by Taijutsu users. Suigetsu has never fought one, so he has no feats of fighting anyone but the type of person he's weak against. Again, Sakura would demolish Suigetsu, because she beat his more powerful brother.

Are you kidding? That's why it's called the "Animal path", dumb ass.

The fact that Jiraiya's dead proves the notion that Pain was correct in saying that he never could have won unless he kept his secret and snuck up on him. Itachi's statement has not been disproved. Pain specifically said that he would have never won if he didn't sneak up on Jiraiya like a little pussy. You can't just ignore the scan I posted. Here it is again, just incase you forgot.

Naruto knew that a few of the paths had certain abilities, he didn't know which one had what power, and he didn't know about the Human path. Rasenshuriken stronger than Gallant rasengan? Pffffffttt, Rasenshuriken cut two Pains in half, while Gallant rasengan disintegrated one from BASE Jiraiya. Not to mention that Jiraiya also has the whole "Gargantuan fireball" thing in his favor, as well as the duet genjutsu, as well as the two statements proving that Jiraiya was VASTLY stronger than anyone in all of Naruto up until Madara showed up.

No, you not showing the scans is what makes them invalid. You have yet to show A SINGLE SCAN of Hao tanking or dishing out even a town buster, which proves that he would get one shotted by any given Sannin, AND be unable to even scratch them with his strongest attack.

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I said "lightspeed reaction feats". If you're going to quote me at least have the decency to get what you're quoting correct. Also I've done that at least twice. Furthermore, prove that Asura's missiles are more powerful than the ones Hao dodged and caught. Would be nice if you could show me exactly when Kakashi dealt with that missiles.

Can you or can't you? That's the question and since you haven't posted a scan showing me Orochimaru tanking a mountain buster head on that proves to me that he can't...you're always welcome to post a scan or author statement disproving this.

So lets keep a record here on things you have ignored or not addressed clearly. You've ignored
Grenade feat:
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-7891-12/shaman-king/chapter-139.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-7891-14/shaman-king/chapter-139.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-7892-3/shaman-king/chapter-140.html
The lightspeed reaction feat along with a disintegration feat:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v26/c232/15.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v26/c232/18.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v26/c233/13.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v26/c233/14.html
Hao's soul absorption feats:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c297/18.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c297/19.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c297/24.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c297/25.html
Hao's supernova feat...refer to Yoh's statement:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c299/19.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c299/20.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c299/21.html
Naval fleet feats:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c261/14.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c262/
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c262/2.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c262/5.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c262/6.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c263/2.html

Did you get all of that?

Hao was the one who used all of the solar abilities which has been shown on several scans even the ones you yourself posted. Tell me exactly how Horohoro or Chocolove suddenly gained abilities to imitate cosmic phenomena. You're grasping for anything now and that's not cool.
Heck I'll even direct you to a wiki for both Chocolove and Horohoro as well a Hao:
http://shamanking.wikia.com/wiki/Usui_Horokeu
http://shamanking.wikia.com/wiki/Chocolove_McDonell
http://shamanking.wikia.com/wiki/Asakura_Hao

Except that you've neglected to point out that the sword wasn't even swung in Tsunade's general direction not did she come into contact with the sword. Also going by that scan are you willing to argue that the other 4 Kages can tank mountain busters because I could put that argument down before you even tried.

You've yet to prove that any of the Path summons are as powerful as a Biju. Still waiting for that Giant Rasengan scan. Prove that the fireball was the size of a mountain...which won't help since I've already proven that fire based attacks won't work on Hao. Also Orochimaru avoided the fireball through molting.

Suigetsu is not his brother. Suigetsu has his own feats, his brother does not have feats that can be shown unless you're willing to find some.

Animal Path is in reference to the realm of the 6 Path powers which in itself is not a summon. Prove that it is if you disagree.

You're the one who claimed that Itachi stated that Jiraiya could take out all of Akatsuki. Nagato, who a member of Akatsuki, killed Jiraiya. Regardless of the circumstances the fact that a Akatsuki member killed Jiraiya proves you initial point above Itachi wrong. Jiraiya was killed by an Akatsuki member...so disregarding circumstances, can you show me Jiraiya not being killed by Pein or not?

Naruto's Rasenshurken has showings that confirms it superiority to the Galliant/Giant Rasengan. On top of being faster, having better range, and a larger AoE, the Rasenshurkien in Sage Mode completely shredded Human Path to half a head. Naruto even had readily access to frog song thanks to Ma and Pa being out and it still didn't work. Once again maybes aren't the same as something actually happening on panel.

You really like disagreeing with me don't you? Oh well, doesn't change the fact that you've yet to accurately prove any of my scans wrong or show a superior feat. Oh and since you now favor the giant fireball, show me the fireball's AoE becuase I'll show you a feat of Hao instantly raising a forest:

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I said "lightspeed reaction feats". If you're going to quote me at least have the decency to get what you're quoting correct. Also I've done that at least twice. Furthermore, prove that Asura's missiles are more powerful than the ones Hao dodged and caught. Would be nice if you could show me exactly when Kakashi dealt with that missiles.

Can you or can't you? That's the question and since you haven't posted a scan showing me Orochimaru tanking a mountain buster head on that proves to me that he can't...you're always welcome to post a scan or author statement disproving this.

So lets keep a record here on things you have ignored or not addressed clearly. You've ignored
Grenade feat:
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-7891-12/shaman-king/chapter-139.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-7891-14/shaman-king/chapter-139.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-7892-3/shaman-king/chapter-140.html
The lightspeed reaction feat along with a disintegration feat:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v26/c232/15.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v26/c232/18.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v26/c233/13.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v26/c233/14.html
Hao's soul absorption feats:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c297/18.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c297/19.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c297/24.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c297/25.html
Hao's supernova feat...refer to Yoh's statement:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c299/19.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c299/20.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v33/c299/21.html
Naval fleet feats:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c261/14.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c262/
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c262/2.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c262/5.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c262/6.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/shaman_king/v30/c263/2.html

Did you get all of that?

Hao was the one who used all of the solar abilities which has been shown on several scans even the ones you yourself posted. Tell me exactly how Horohoro or Chocolove suddenly gained abilities to imitate cosmic phenomena. You're grasping for anything now and that's not cool.
Heck I'll even direct you to a wiki for both Chocolove and Horohoro as well a Hao:
http://shamanking.wikia.com/wiki/Usui_Horokeu
http://shamanking.wikia.com/wiki/Chocolove_McDonell
http://shamanking.wikia.com/wiki/Asakura_Hao

Except that you've neglected to point out that the sword wasn't even swung in Tsunade's general direction not did she come into contact with the sword. Also going by that scan are you willing to argue that the other 4 Kages can tank mountain busters because I could put that argument down before you even tried.

You've yet to prove that any of the Path summons are as powerful as a Biju. Still waiting for that Giant Rasengan scan. Prove that the fireball was the size of a mountain...which won't help since I've already proven that fire based attacks won't work on Hao. Also Orochimaru avoided the fireball through molting.

Suigetsu is not his brother. Suigetsu has his own feats, his brother does not have feats that can be shown unless you're willing to find some.

Animal Path is in reference to the realm of the 6 Path powers which in itself is not a summon. Prove that it is if you disagree.

You're the one who claimed that Itachi stated that Jiraiya could take out all of Akatsuki. Nagato, who a member of Akatsuki, killed Jiraiya. Regardless of the circumstances the fact that a Akatsuki member killed Jiraiya proves you initial point above Itachi wrong. Jiraiya was killed by an Akatsuki member...so disregarding circumstances, can you show me Jiraiya not being killed by Pein or not?

Naruto's Rasenshurken has showings that confirms it superiority to the Galliant/Giant Rasengan. On top of being faster, having better range, and a larger AoE, the Rasenshurkien in Sage Mode completely shredded Human Path to half a head. Naruto even had readily access to frog song thanks to Ma and Pa being out and it still didn't work. Once again maybes aren't the same as something actually happening on panel.

You really like disagreeing with me don't you? Oh well, doesn't change the fact that you've yet to accurately prove any of my scans wrong or show a superior feat. Oh and since you now favor the giant fireball, show me the fireball's AoE becuase I'll show you a feat of Hao instantly raising a forest:

Did you not see the scan I posted? Why would Chocolove and Horohoro say that they were going to mix ice and wind to block solar prominence, if they couldn't use ice and wind? Anyone that looks at that scan can tell you that THEY'RE the ones who used the comet. Not to mention, Hao has FIRE attacks, not ice.

I literally disproved ALL OF THOSE FEATS, as you've already posted them all.

1. That is probably the least impressive feat in manga/anime history. Pre time skip kid Naruto could tank a grenade like it's nothing. Even paper bombs have more explosive power.

2. Hao tanking a laser that broke the roof of a building is NOT light speed. That is him tanking a small building level attack. 👆

3. Once again, he killed them AND THEN stole their souls. I'll even repost the scan.

4. You literally just disproved your argument with your own scan.

He clearly says "but if this were real life, the Earth would be destroyed.", which is the same as earlier when Hao's "sun" cooling down made a "volcano", and Yoh said the scale is nothing close to real life.

5. Again, that was not an entire naval fleet. He destroyed a few submarines and aircraft carriers. Even if it was a naval fleet, that's still nothing compared to Jiraiya's mountain range dwarfing fireballs.

You see the thing in red? That's a mountain. You see the thing in red, that is over 20 times larger than the mountain? That's the fireball. Jiraiya's fireball is casually mountain range level, in other words, Hao is nothing to him.

You ignored this scan.

Either that, or you ignored the fact that Tsunade had two of those duel mountain cleaving swords lodged in her abdomen, while Raikage was blocking one with a single hand. How can you disprove an argument that the kage's can tank mountain busting attacks when they have done so casually many times before?

Exactly, which proves Naruto is not as strong as Jiraiya, because he couldn't make an opening for genjutsu. Rasenshuriken cut animal path in half. Gallant Rasengan vaporized animal path in a second while also killing him.

Did I say that the animal path was a summon? No, so stop putting words on my keyboard, you lying whore. The creatures that animal path can summon ARE path abilities though, which is why they have rinnegan, idiot. Also I DID prove that the summons were Biju level, because they defeated Jiraiya's summon toads which fought on par with and tanked attacks from the Ichibii. That makes Nagato's summons Biju level+.

Prove that was a whole forrest. Find an aerial view showing the forrest burning that doesn't just show a few thin fire columns surrounding a small area.

Again, you have yet to show a LS reaction feat, or a single town busting feat from Hao, proving that he can't even TOUCH the sannin.

Ok, well the site just ****ed me in the ass and didn't let me post my scans, but I posted firstly this:

Right behind Gamabunta, you can see a mountain. He dwarfs it, and his fireball dwarfs the mountain range around them.

And this, with Tsunade and Raikage both tanking mountain range busting attacks.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Did you not see the scan I posted? Why would Chocolove and Horohoro say that they were going to mix ice and wind to block solar prominence, if they couldn't use ice and wind? Anyone that looks at that scan can tell you that THEY'RE the ones who used the comet. Not to mention, Hao has FIRE attacks, not ice.

I literally disproved ALL OF THOSE FEATS, as you've already posted them all.

1. That is probably the least impressive feat in manga/anime history. Pre time skip kid Naruto could tank a grenade like it's nothing. Even paper bombs have more explosive power.

2. Hao tanking a laser that broke the roof of a building is NOT light speed. That is him tanking a small building level attack. 👆

3. Once again, he killed them AND THEN stole their souls. I'll even repost the scan.

4. You literally just disproved your argument with your own scan.

He clearly says "but if this were real life, the Earth would be destroyed.", which is the same as earlier when Hao's "sun" cooling down made a "volcano", and Yoh said the scale is nothing close to real life.

5. Again, that was not an entire naval fleet. He destroyed a few submarines and aircraft carriers. Even if it was a naval fleet, that's still nothing compared to Jiraiya's mountain range dwarfing fireballs.

You see the thing in red? That's a mountain. You see the thing in red, that is over 20 times larger than the mountain? That's the fireball. Jiraiya's fireball is casually mountain range level, in other words, Hao is nothing to him.

You ignored this scan.

Either that, or you ignored the fact that Tsunade had two of those duel mountain cleaving swords lodged in her abdomen, while Raikage was blocking one with a single hand. How can you disprove an argument that the kage's can tank mountain busting attacks when they have done so casually many times before?

Exactly, which proves Naruto is not as strong as Jiraiya, because he couldn't make an opening for genjutsu. Rasenshuriken cut animal path in half. Gallant Rasengan vaporized animal path in a second while also killing him.

Did I say that the animal path was a summon? No, so stop putting words on my keyboard, you lying whore. The creatures that animal path can summon ARE path abilities though, which is why they have rinnegan, idiot. Also I DID prove that the summons were Biju level, because they defeated Jiraiya's summon toads which fought on par with and tanked attacks from the Ichibii. That makes Nagato's summons Biju level+.

Prove that was a whole forrest. Find an aerial view showing the forrest burning that doesn't just show a few thin fire columns surrounding a small area.

Again, you have yet to show a LS reaction feat, or a single town busting feat from Hao, proving that he can't even TOUCH the sannin.

Did you read the wiki or look over the scan that you yourself posted? Hao's the one who created the comet. Unless you can point out somewhere in the manga or wikis that states Chocolove or Horohoro were the ones who made it that still stands as fact. Oh and if you think about changing the wiki I'll know about it.

Oh really? so why is that when I ask you for something you've resorted to calling me a liar or something obscene. If what you said was true, we wouldn't be having a big "no you argument" spanning pages on here.

1. Prove it with scans. I have no problem posting scans multiple times so neither should you. Show me the equivalent of Naruto tanking a grenade with 5x the power to the face.

2. They give an actual number to the laser's speed which matches the constant that is 3x10^(8) m/s. That is actual light-speed BTW unless you're going to disagree with physics too:

3. Killing with soul absorption. If you can show me Hao kill them with preceding means then do so.

4. Not really. Though inconclusive, the reader has no real reason to disagree with Yoh's statement especially considering the scale of the solar attacks Hao used. Again the volcano was Lyserg's attacks as confirmed by this wiki page of SoF's capabilities:
http://shamanking.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_of_Fire

5. Prove that it wasn't. And even if it wasn't that doesn't change the fact that Hao dealt with a modern military force when it could be argues that the Sannin have been handled by less

The toad summons aren't bigger than mountains. Those were large rocks. For example a frog of comparable size to Gamabunta was ale to fit into Konoha just fine while still dwarfing buildings:
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-129-10/naruto/chapter-124.html

Also even with a large AoE it didn't destroy anything. Also if you can claim something is a mountain w/o a frame of reference, then that means I can say Hao can instantly cook a forest w/o...oh wait I do have a frame of reference.

Show me that the mini-Susanoos are also mountain busters. Perfect Susanoo is a different degree of usage than the one Madara used to impale Tsunade.

Oh and any day now on that Giant Rasengan feat.

You said Path Powers were summons...you're exact words were "His summons ARE Path powers". Summoning is a Path power however Asura Path or Human Path aren't summons. There wasn't must clarity in your post which lead to the misunderstanding.

Well considering we get a sky view of the forest and the person in the panel says that Hao has burned the forest...there isn't much room for doubt.

You've yet to show me a Giant Rasengan or Tsunade tanking a mountain buster nor have you shown me Orochimaru tanking a biju ball with his body and w/o a shield. Oh and I'm going to help you out and say that Tsunade actually does have a feat for tanking city busters under her belt

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Did you read the wiki or look over the scan that you yourself posted? Hao's the one who created the comet. Unless you can point out somewhere in the manga or wikis that states Chocolove or Horohoro were the ones who made it that still stands as fact. Oh and if you think about changing the wiki I'll know about it.

Oh really? so why is that when I ask you for something you've resorted to calling me a liar or something obscene. If what you said was true, we wouldn't be having a big "no you argument" spanning pages on here.

1. Prove it with scans. I have no problem posting scans multiple times so neither should you. Show me the equivalent of Naruto tanking a grenade with 5x the power to the face.

2. They give an actual number to the laser's speed which matches the constant that is 3x10^(8) m/s. That is actual light-speed BTW unless you're going to disagree with physics too:

3. Killing with soul absorption. If you can show me Hao kill them with preceding means then do so.

4. Not really. Though inconclusive, the reader has no real reason to disagree with Yoh's statement especially considering the scale of the solar attacks Hao used. Again the volcano was Lyserg's attacks as confirmed by this wiki page of SoF's capabilities:
http://shamanking.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_of_Fire

5. Prove that it wasn't. And even if it wasn't that doesn't change the fact that Hao dealt with a modern military force when it could be argues that the Sannin have been handled by less

The toad summons aren't bigger than mountains. Those were large rocks. For example a frog of comparable size to Gamabunta was ale to fit into Konoha just fine while still dwarfing buildings:
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-129-10/naruto/chapter-124.html

Also even with a large AoE it didn't destroy anything. Also if you can claim something is a mountain w/o a frame of reference, then that means I can say Hao can instantly cook a forest w/o...oh wait I do have a frame of reference.

Show me that the mini-Susanoos are also mountain busters. Perfect Susanoo is a different degree of usage than the one Madara used to impale Tsunade.

Oh and any day now on that Giant Rasengan feat.

You said Path Powers were summons...you're exact words were "His summons ARE Path powers". Summoning is a Path power however Asura Path or Human Path aren't summons. There wasn't must clarity in your post which lead to the misunderstanding.

Well considering we get a sky view of the forest and the person in the panel says that Hao has burned the forest...there isn't much room for doubt.

You've yet to show me a Giant Rasengan or Tsunade tanking a mountain buster nor have you shown me Orochimaru tanking a biju ball with his body and w/o a shield. Oh and I'm going to help you out and say that Tsunade actually does have a feat for tanking city busters under her belt

Are you stupid? Manga scans>>>Wiki's. Chocolove and Horo STATED they were making the comet, and you somehow are saying Hao did it? Are you retarded?

1.

This explosion is WAAY more impressive than that of a grenade. This actually dwarfs entire giant trees. A simple paper bomb attached to a kunai.

They throw these around ALL the time in Naruto, and Naruto himself has tanked them casually before.

2. So you're saying that Hao is light speed because he set up a shield before an attack came? So Orochimaru is also light speed because he blocked a Biju bomb, when biju bombs can cross continents in less than a second? Alright. No, idiot, he set up a shield to block a fast attack. It has nothing to do with his speed.

3. You already have, by posting the scan. Show something disproving the statement, if you don't believe it. Burden of proof is on the accuser. 👆

4. Once again, YOH SPECIFICALLY STATED THE SCALE WAS NOTHING LIKE REAL LIFE. FOR THE LAST TIME, MANGA SCANS/STATEMENTS>>>FANNON WIKI'S.

5. I already did. No navel fleets consists of three submarines. Navel fleets are ENORMOUS, like the one Aang took out in Avatar book one. Less people maybe. Any of the low tier Naruto characters around the level of the sound four could EASILY take out the naval force that Hao did.

6. Large rocks? I'm talking about the LITERAL MOUNTAIN RANGE on the right side of the page. Since when is Konoha mountain sized? You DO know that the hokage faces are carved on a mountain range, right?

7. The power scale was different, but their potency was the same. They were clones with infinite chakra. Tsunade casually tanked Pain's almighty push that destroyed the multi-city sized Konoha, but she was pierced by Madara's swords. That's still mountain level tanking pal.

8. Except there were clear mountains in the Jiraiya scan, and there were only six tree's in the Hao scan. I can prove(like I already have) that Jiraiya's fireball is larger than a mountain, but you CAN'T prove that Hao's fire was forrest sized, unless forrest's are now consisted of six tree's, which makes it so VASTLY less impressive, that Jiraiya's fire is equal to the sun whereas Hao's fire is the moon.

Which Giant rasengan feat? You keep saying you want one, when I've already posted several. Yes, I'm aware Tsunade tanked Almight push, a multi mountain range busting attack. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Are you stupid? Manga scans>>>Wiki's. Chocolove and Horo STATED they were making the comet, and you somehow are saying Hao did it? Are you retarded?

1.

This explosion is WAAY more impressive than that of a grenade. This actually dwarfs entire giant trees. A simple paper bomb attached to a kunai.

They throw these around ALL the time in Naruto, and Naruto himself has tanked them casually before.

2. So you're saying that Hao is light speed because he set up a shield before an attack came? So Orochimaru is also light speed because he blocked a Biju bomb, when biju bombs can cross continents in less than a second? Alright. No, idiot, he set up a shield to block a fast attack. It has nothing to do with his speed.

3. You already have, by posting the scan. Show something disproving the statement, if you don't believe it. Burden of proof is on the accuser. 👆

4. Once again, YOH SPECIFICALLY STATED THE SCALE WAS NOTHING LIKE REAL LIFE. FOR THE LAST TIME, MANGA SCANS/STATEMENTS>>>FANNON WIKI'S.

5. I already did. No navel fleets consists of three submarines. Navel fleets are ENORMOUS, like the one Aang took out in Avatar book one. Less people maybe. Any of the low tier Naruto characters around the level of the sound four could EASILY take out the naval force that Hao did.

6. Large rocks? I'm talking about the LITERAL MOUNTAIN RANGE on the right side of the page. Since when is Konoha mountain sized? You DO know that the hokage faces are carved on a mountain range, right?

7. The power scale was different, but their potency was the same. They were clones with infinite chakra. Tsunade casually tanked Pain's almighty push that destroyed the multi-city sized Konoha, but she was pierced by Madara's swords. That's still mountain level tanking pal.

8. Except there were clear mountains in the Jiraiya scan, and there were only six tree's in the Hao scan. I can prove(like I already have) that Jiraiya's fireball is larger than a mountain, but you CAN'T prove that Hao's fire was forrest sized, unless forrest's are now consisted of six tree's, which makes it so VASTLY less impressive, that Jiraiya's fire is equal to the sun whereas Hao's fire is the moon.

Which Giant rasengan feat? You keep saying you want one, when I've already posted several. Yes, I'm aware Tsunade tanked Almight push, a multi mountain range busting attack. 👆

I'm the one who told you that remember. Also Chocolove and Horohoro did not create the comet considering it doesn't make sense that they would have the ability to do so given the context of their powers. That and Hao states that he's making the coment sword even spelling it out in big numbers. There's also the fact that the guy making the comet is larger than either SoR or SoW as illustrated below:

1. So do you have a value for the power of that explosion because since the X Grenade is based off a standard one I could easily pull up a rough estimate of the energy released by it. Also that wasn't Naruto and that wasn't at point black range: those characters either dodged or were knocked back by the force. Is it really that difficult for you to answer my question effectively.

2. This is funny right here. You failed to disprove that Hao survived/reacted to a legit light-speed attack so you're next step is to low ball it. Okay, Considering Hao's previous transmutation feats with SoF, its can be inferred that he transmuted it into metal upon impact. Also not only did he block the attack, he also saved the person who launched it as well. So I"ll summarize, since Hao's armor oversoul was already up as you pointed out, Hao would still have to react to the laser and transmute fire into metal in order to effectively block it.

3. You're the one who stated Hao killed people prior to absorbing their souls rather than my argument which was that Hao killed by soul absorption. You made that claim remember? Therefore its only just that you're the one to prove it.

4. Yoh also states that it would've still incinerated the Earth ahd it actually happened on their. Also my wiki posts, that are only used to sum up general knowledge and use actually manga chapters as reference, are still more valid than anything you may claim about the rather dated Databooks. And considering the power behind Hao's previous attacks, the reader has no real reason to disagree with Yoh: you could argue however its inconclusive but that shouldn't really matter.

5. Scaling off size again? If its said in canon its a fleet then its a fleet regardless of how much of the fleet was actually scene. Even if it was only a few ships they were still modernized and equipped with military grade missiles. Oh as for that Sound 4 comment...prove it

6. Which neither of the frog summons are as big or as tall as, that's what I'm getting at. That wasn't a mountain range those were large rocks. Hecy to give you a frame of reference here are how the rock formations look both zoomed out and up close and better yet close to people:
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-175-2/naruto/chapter-170.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-169-6/naruto/chapter-164.html

7. No it isn't. Sure she tanked the force of Shinra Tensei however she was in no shape to fight afterwards. Also the mini-Susanoo are not mountain busters I don't know where you're getting this from.

8. Those were not clear mountains and as I've posted above there is sufficient evidence to classify those formations as large rocks. Even if they were mountains, Jiraiya's fireball didn't destroy anything. Also you're using the number visible to determine whether or not its a forest even though it was stated on panel that the forest had been set on fire. If it look like a duck, and quack like a duck, by your logic its might as well be a zebra. Also appearance =/= potency. Those comparison you made are off on the sole fact that you'r judging an attacks effectiveness based on appearance and size alone which is not how to properly scale attacks.

Is that evidence of you actually forgetting what you stated. Okay since you forgot about the Giant Rasengan claim you mentioned I'll gladly remind you:

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
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3. Gets VAPORIZED by a massive sage mode rasengan from Jiraiya. 👆

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Not exact words but considering Jiraiya has an attack labeled as Giant Rasengan it stands to reason why I though you were talking about that. You do get point for finding that fireball feat for me even though it took forever for you to do so and doesn't really match up to what Hao can do.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm the one who told you that remember. Also Chocolove and Horohoro did not create the comet considering it doesn't make sense that they would have the ability to do so given the context of their powers. That and Hao states that he's making the coment sword even spelling it out in big numbers. There's also the fact that the guy making the comet is larger than either SoR or SoW as illustrated below:

1. So do you have a value for the power of that explosion because since the X Grenade is based off a standard one I could easily pull up a rough estimate of the energy released by it. Also that wasn't Naruto and that wasn't at point black range: those characters either dodged or were knocked back by the force. Is it really that difficult for you to answer my question effectively.

2. This is funny right here. You failed to disprove that Hao survived/reacted to a legit light-speed attack so you're next step is to low ball it. Okay, Considering Hao's previous transmutation feats with SoF, its can be inferred that he transmuted it into metal upon impact. Also not only did he block the attack, he also saved the person who launched it as well. So I"ll summarize, since Hao's armor oversoul was already up as you pointed out, Hao would still have to react to the laser and transmute fire into metal in order to effectively block it.

3. You're the one who stated Hao killed people prior to absorbing their souls rather than my argument which was that Hao killed by soul absorption. You made that claim remember? Therefore its only just that you're the one to prove it.

4. Yoh also states that it would've still incinerated the Earth ahd it actually happened on their. Also my wiki posts, that are only used to sum up general knowledge and use actually manga chapters as reference, are still more valid than anything you may claim about the rather dated Databooks. And considering the power behind Hao's previous attacks, the reader has no real reason to disagree with Yoh: you could argue however its inconclusive but that shouldn't really matter.

5. Scaling off size again? If its said in canon its a fleet then its a fleet regardless of how much of the fleet was actually scene. Even if it was only a few ships they were still modernized and equipped with military grade missiles. Oh as for that Sound 4 comment...prove it

6. Which neither of the frog summons are as big or as tall as, that's what I'm getting at. That wasn't a mountain range those were large rocks. Hecy to give you a frame of reference here are how the rock formations look both zoomed out and up close and better yet close to people:
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-175-2/naruto/chapter-170.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-169-6/naruto/chapter-164.html

7. No it isn't. Sure she tanked the force of Shinra Tensei however she was in no shape to fight afterwards. Also the mini-Susanoo are not mountain busters I don't know where you're getting this from.

8. Those were not clear mountains and as I've posted above there is sufficient evidence to classify those formations as large rocks. Even if they were mountains, Jiraiya's fireball didn't destroy anything. Also you're using the number visible to determine whether or not its a forest even though it was stated on panel that the forest had been set on fire. If it look like a duck, and quack like a duck, by your logic its might as well be a zebra. Also appearance =/= potency. Those comparison you made are off on the sole fact that you'r judging an attacks effectiveness based on appearance and size alone which is not how to properly scale attacks.

Is that evidence of you actually forgetting what you stated. Okay since you forgot about the Giant Rasengan claim you mentioned I'll gladly remind you:

Not exact words but considering Jiraiya has an attack labeled as Giant Rasengan it stands to reason why I though you were talking about that. You do get point for finding that fireball feat for me even though it took forever for you to do so and doesn't really match up to what Hao can do.

So why is it that Hao's mech is the one defending against the comet?

1. THEN DO IT. I'm tired of you pussy-footing around these bullshit claims you make, only to disregard FACTUAL PROOF that you are WRONG.

2. When did I say Hao didn't survive a LS attack? Never. Again, surviving=/=reacting to. Are you saying that Superman was fast enough to escape the big bang? Are you saying that Naruto was fast enough to dodge Haku's senbon? Are you saying that Ulquiorra was fast enough to dodge Ichigo's cero? Once again, tanking=/=dodging/reacting to. Hao was strong enough to tank a laser, not fast enough to dodge it.

3. No, you made the claim by bringing up the feat about him insta-killing with soul absorption, and I disputed it by saying it's not true, because YOU couldn't prove that it was. I even showed a statement, and if you STILL can't disprove it, then, FOR THE LAST TIME, it's. not. true. Again, burden of proof is on the accuser. 👆

4. No he didn't. You're completely warping the scan I posted. Yoh specifically elaborated on his previous statement by saying that if it was a real supernova, Earth would have been completely destroyed, further proving that Shaman king characters powers are nothing compared to the actual cosmic bodies they're named after.

5. And? Once again, every army on Earth without nuclear missiles lacks the capacity to even destroy mount Rainier. Kidomaru blew away a huge part of a forrest with a single arrow. All of the sound four are able to kill jonin in their first CM forms. Jonin throw around, tank or deal with mountain busting attacks. Even Kakashi was able to beat Hidan with simple taijutsu alone. Hidan fights mountain range busting biju. The sound for shit on any naval squad, especially the one Hao dealt with. Hell, they would beat Hao, going by feats alone.

6. Did I say anything about the debris that was on the ground? Look at my first scan again. There are clear mountains behind Gamabunta. Why does every retard on here think that author's draw to scale?

7. You forget to mention that she was healing everyone in the village simultaneously, so they would also survive that attack. She was completely drained, and still casually tanked a small country busting attack.

8. Actually pal, that's YOUR logic. If it looks like a six tree scorcher, isn't shown to be more than a six tree scorcher, then it must be a complete forrest buster. That is TEXTBOOK fanboy-ism. Okay, so because Cell's solar kamehameha didn't destroy anything, it's not a casual solar system buster? Makes sense, you only accept statements from YOUR favorite series, and nothing is cannon in any other series. You're such a phucking ignorant fanboy.

Exactly. Hao WOULD get vaporized by a giant rasengan, as it's casually vaporized people with FAR greater durability feats than Hao.

Either way, I'm done with this. Everyone on here can clearly see that you're an idiot fantard, and that you've lost. Later.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So why is it that Hao's mech is the one defending against the comet?

1. THEN DO IT. I'm tired of you pussy-footing around these bullshit claims you make, only to disregard FACTUAL PROOF that you are WRONG.

2. When did I say Hao didn't survive a LS attack? Never. Again, surviving=/=reacting to. Are you saying that Superman was fast enough to escape the big bang? Are you saying that Naruto was fast enough to dodge Haku's senbon? Are you saying that Ulquiorra was fast enough to dodge Ichigo's cero? Once again, tanking=/=dodging/reacting to. Hao was strong enough to tank a laser, not fast enough to dodge it.

3. No, you made the claim by bringing up the feat about him insta-killing with soul absorption, and I disputed it by saying it's not true, because YOU couldn't prove that it was. I even showed a statement, and if you STILL can't disprove it, then, FOR THE LAST TIME, it's. not. true. Again, burden of proof is on the accuser. 👆

4. No he didn't. You're completely warping the scan I posted. Yoh specifically elaborated on his previous statement by saying that if it was a real supernova, Earth would have been completely destroyed, further proving that Shaman king characters powers are nothing compared to the actual cosmic bodies they're named after.

5. And? Once again, every army on Earth without nuclear missiles lacks the capacity to even destroy mount Rainier. Kidomaru blew away a huge part of a forrest with a single arrow. All of the sound four are able to kill jonin in their first CM forms. Jonin throw around, tank or deal with mountain busting attacks. Even Kakashi was able to beat Hidan with simple taijutsu alone. Hidan fights mountain range busting biju. The sound for shit on any naval squad, especially the one Hao dealt with. Hell, they would beat Hao, going by feats alone.

6. Did I say anything about the debris that was on the ground? Look at my first scan again. There are clear mountains behind Gamabunta. Why does every retard on here think that author's draw to scale?

7. You forget to mention that she was healing everyone in the village simultaneously, so they would also survive that attack. She was completely drained, and still casually tanked a small country busting attack.

8. Actually pal, that's YOUR logic. If it looks like a six tree scorcher, isn't shown to be more than a six tree scorcher, then it must be a complete forrest buster. That is TEXTBOOK fanboy-ism. Okay, so because Cell's solar kamehameha didn't destroy anything, it's not a casual solar system buster? Makes sense, you only accept statements from YOUR favorite series, and nothing is cannon in any other series. You're such a phucking ignorant fanboy.

Exactly. Hao WOULD get vaporized by a giant rasengan, as it's casually vaporized people with FAR greater durability feats than Hao.

Either way, I'm done with this. Everyone on here can clearly see that you're an idiot fantard, and that you've lost. Later.

Its not, that's Lyserg defending the group from the comet blale by using the volcano move. I don't know how you forgot that considering you actually tried to use that panel against me but I'll post the scan:

1. Um...I really don't know what you would gain form asking me to prove your own feat inferior but whatever I'll give it a go. We might not know the exact model for the X grenade however we do know the general excepted value for how much energy is released from a stick of TNT: this number is 836 kilojoules. Now take a standard M67 grenade which has a mass of 0.4 kilo grams and a known blast range of 15 meters with certain death range of 5 meter from where it detonates: using the conversion from its TNT equivalent we get an energy output of 1.67 mega joules of energy. From here we could crudely multiply these quantities by 5 and get almost 10 mega-joules of energy being released a point blank range. Not only that but the blast was contained in a small area and the grenade deplete the oxygen in the immediate AoE as outlined below:
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-7891-12/shaman-king/chapter-139.html

Can you show me Naruto tanking something like that pre-skip? Oh and if you need a source for any of the numbers I got PM me: I'll try to answer an additional questions concerning grenade power.

2. You adamantly ignored this feat for a full page and now that I've given you a number you can't dispute you're now trying to find some way to make this look less impressive than it is, which is funny to me. I agreed with you that Hao had his oversoul up however Hao would still have to react to the laser in order to transmute SoF into an element: also we don't have enough evidence in the scan to make a claim for him already performing the transmutation. even if Hao didn't have this feat his performance at the naval battle would still put him roughly at mach 8: I can provide numbers for these as well.

3. So you need me to remind you of something else you said again? alright then:

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta

You've shown those, but again, you're neglecting the SOLE FACT that Yoh SPECIFICALLY STATES "Hao KILLED THEM, AND THEN ABSORBED THEIR SOULS", meaning he used the vaporizing technique, or some other attack, and THEN absorbed their dead souls. Again though, none of his feats are on par with the Sannin destruction/durability feats, so one last time. Hao gets shat on. 👆


BTW that wasn't Yoh who said that it was Rutherford, I think I mentioned that already but its all good. I also showed you a scan of Hao soul absorbing without using a method of death leading up to it: I'd post the scan but I know how much you don't like links and the forum has an image limit so you'll have to ask nicely if you want one. Even if it was true you still have yet to provide an adequate reason as to why this wouldn't kill the Sannin on the spot

4. Even if it pales in comparison to an actual supernova, Low-tier planet busting is still planet busting. Oh and Hao still has the succeeding Black Hole feat...another thing you haven't properly addressed: well you tried to with some attempt at using Databooks and misinterpreting Chibaku Tensei's functionality but it seems that didn't go really far.

5. That doesn't mean much to me if you're not going to post scans supporting these claims. I've already showed you Hao instantly cooking an entire forest, that for some reason think means he only burnt a few trees, so that Kidomaru feat is a bad example.

6. Those are not mountains: they lack the size and height of an actual mountain. The Sannin battle takes places on a grassy plain with large rocks. Even if those were stated to be mountains based on size alone they would only be the size of a hill at the very best.

7. Perhaps but the fact that she couldn't fight afterwards mean that she didn't casually tank Shinra Tensei. Maybe if she weren't trying to heal everyone you'd have something but we will never know. Also since Tsunade has been put done by less, bisection for example, it still isn't a very good feat for this particular fight.

8. We have an overview of the forest and it was stated that they were in the forest. Really now sure why that's a problem for you. That Cell solar busting attack is off because it was blocked into space w/o any signs of actually destroying anything within the solar system itself. Another thing to address is that Cell's feats prior to that encounter don't suggest that he could've destroyed the solar system in one go.

If you're so confident in this feat then how about showing me a scan of Jiraiya using the Giant Rasengan on something. Oh and I really hate to do this to Jiraiya but I have to mention it: the dude has never won a fight in canon despite his display of power in the story. Would love some scans showing otherwise.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Its not, that's Lyserg defending the group from the comet blale by using the volcano move. I don't know how you forgot that considering you actually tried to use that panel against me but I'll post the scan:

1. Um...I really don't know what you would gain form asking me to prove your own feat inferior but whatever I'll give it a go. We might not know the exact model for the X grenade however we do know the general excepted value for how much energy is released from a stick of TNT: this number is 836 kilojoules. Now take a standard M67 grenade which has a mass of 0.4 kilo grams and a known blast range of 15 meters with certain death range of 5 meter from where it detonates: using the conversion from its TNT equivalent we get an energy output of 1.67 mega joules of energy. From here we could crudely multiply these quantities by 5 and get almost 10 mega-joules of energy being released a point blank range. Not only that but the blast was contained in a small area and the grenade deplete the oxygen in the immediate AoE as outlined below:
http://www.mangapanda.com/138-7891-12/shaman-king/chapter-139.html

Can you show me Naruto tanking something like that pre-skip? Oh and if you need a source for any of the numbers I got PM me: I'll try to answer an additional questions concerning grenade power.

2. You adamantly ignored this feat for a full page and now that I've given you a number you can't dispute you're now trying to find some way to make this look less impressive than it is, which is funny to me. I agreed with you that Hao had his oversoul up however Hao would still have to react to the laser in order to transmute SoF into an element: also we don't have enough evidence in the scan to make a claim for him already performing the transmutation. even if Hao didn't have this feat his performance at the naval battle would still put him roughly at mach 8: I can provide numbers for these as well.

3. So you need me to remind you of something else you said again? alright then:
BTW that wasn't Yoh who said that it was Rutherford, I think I mentioned that already but its all good. I also showed you a scan of Hao soul absorbing without using a method of death leading up to it: I'd post the scan but I know how much you don't like links and the forum has an image limit so you'll have to ask nicely if you want one. Even if it was true you still have yet to provide an adequate reason as to why this wouldn't kill the Sannin on the spot

4. Even if it pales in comparison to an actual supernova, Low-tier planet busting is still planet busting. Oh and Hao still has the succeeding Black Hole feat...another thing you haven't properly addressed: well you tried to with some attempt at using Databooks and misinterpreting Chibaku Tensei's functionality but it seems that didn't go really far.

5. That doesn't mean much to me if you're not going to post scans supporting these claims. I've already showed you Hao instantly cooking an entire forest, that for some reason think means he only burnt a few trees, so that Kidomaru feat is a bad example.

6. Those are not mountains: they lack the size and height of an actual mountain. The Sannin battle takes places on a grassy plain with large rocks. Even if those were stated to be mountains based on size alone they would only be the size of a hill at the very best.

7. Perhaps but the fact that she couldn't fight afterwards mean that she didn't casually tank Shinra Tensei. Maybe if she weren't trying to heal everyone you'd have something but we will never know. Also since Tsunade has been put done by less, bisection for example, it still isn't a very good feat for this particular fight.

8. We have an overview of the forest and it was stated that they were in the forest. Really now sure why that's a problem for you. That Cell solar busting attack is off because it was blocked into space w/o any signs of actually destroying anything within the solar system itself. Another thing to address is that Cell's feats prior to that encounter don't suggest that he could've destroyed the solar system in one go.

If you're so confident in this feat then how about showing me a scan of Jiraiya using the Giant Rasengan on something. Oh and I really hate to do this to Jiraiya but I have to mention it: the dude has never won a fight in canon despite his display of power in the story. Would love some scans showing otherwise.

Are you retarded? There are two mechs. The one with the giant fireball above it is Hao's, the other is Yoh's. Yoh's is CLEARLY the one shooting the comet, dumb ass.

1. That calc is total bs, untrue, and you're retarded for pulling those random numbers out of your ass.

2. I did not ignore it. You're saying that surviving something makes you faster than it. So by your logic, if I shoot a laser pointer at myself, and don't die, I'm clearly faster than light. You're an idiot.

3. And you still haven't proved that it would kill the sannin, so it won't, as you, the ACCUSER, have not given proof, while I have proved that he can't kill you by absorbing your soul from a statement.

4. When was even a "low-tier" planet busted? Never. They said if it was real life, it would bust the earth. That's obvious. They even stated they couldn't match up to even a real life Volcano.

5. You still have yet to prove that the fire burned more than six trees.

6. Then why did Tsunade point to the mountain range in previous pages and say the necklace of death was worth more than three of those mountains?

7. First off, Tsunade was drained of her chakra healing hundreds of people, and tanked it. Still makes her a casual small country busting level tanker. Secondly, when has Tsunade been bisected? Again though, why does it matter if you're cut in half by a multi-mountain level attack? You're LITERALLY saying that Frieza can't tank mountain busters because he was cut in half. Retard.

8. No we don't. We see six trees being burned. Prove it was more. What? Cell's kamehameha was eaten by Gohan's. Kamehameha's dissipate, idiot, they don't travel forever. Cell is a casual solar system buster with his smallest AOE attack. Retard.

Why do I need to? Someone vastly weaker than him killed a mountain level character with a vastly weaker rasengan.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Are you retarded? There are two mechs. The one with the giant fireball above it is Hao's, the other is Yoh's. Yoh's is CLEARLY the one shooting the comet, dumb ass.

1. That calc is total bs, untrue, and you're retarded for pulling those random numbers out of your ass.

2. I did not ignore it. You're saying that surviving something makes you faster than it. So by your logic, if I shoot a laser pointer at myself, and don't die, I'm clearly faster than light. You're an idiot.

3. And you still haven't proved that it would kill the sannin, so it won't, as you, the ACCUSER, have not given proof, while I have proved that he can't kill you by absorbing your soul from a statement.

4. When was even a "low-tier" planet busted? Never. They said if it was real life, it would bust the earth. That's obvious. They even stated they couldn't match up to even a real life Volcano.

5. You still have yet to prove that the fire burned more than six trees.

6. Then why did Tsunade point to the mountain range in previous pages and say the necklace of death was worth more than three of those mountains?

7. First off, Tsunade was drained of her chakra healing hundreds of people, and tanked it. Still makes her a casual small country busting level tanker. Secondly, when has Tsunade been bisected? Again though, why does it matter if you're cut in half by a multi-mountain level attack? You're LITERALLY saying that Frieza can't tank mountain busters because he was cut in half. Retard.

8. No we don't. We see six trees being burned. Prove it was more. What? Cell's kamehameha was eaten by Gohan's. Kamehameha's dissipate, idiot, they don't travel forever. Cell is a casual solar system buster with his smallest AOE attack. Retard.

Why do I need to? Someone vastly weaker than him killed a mountain level character with a vastly weaker rasengan.

That was Lyserg blocking the comet and Hao swinging the comet towards the group. Well at least your no longer saying its Chocolove and Horohoro making the comet which is a step in the right direction.

1. On what grounds is my information wrong? The weight for the M67, which is 14 oz which translate to 400 grams(396.89 grams to be exact), along with the excepted value for the energy released from a gram of TNT: which is 4.183x10^3 joules. are excepted value by the U.S military and scientific community respectfully. You can find information on both below and the sites do include references. Heck I'll even include a wiki:
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/hand_grenades/hand-grenades-study-guide.shtml
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-07/964039884.Ch.r.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent

2. I did not, and if that is what I said somewhere in this mess of post then it was not intentional. I did argue that Hao would need FTL reaction time to transmute SoF into metal in order to block the laser. I'll also add that Hao's oversoul would also have to be strong enough to withstand the pressure from the laser being shot down from space which considering the scan not only give him FTL reaction time but also hill-busting durability.

3. Um...soul absorption=instant death as you saw in the scans. Also Hao can materialize SoF anywhere with oxygen meaning that he can spontaneously set ablaze object and people on a whim...as I've shown you with the forest, and the X-law dude using the laser, and the X-Laws fighting Hao, and to a certain degree even the island buster. Not sure why that isn't enough for you. I'd post the links again but you seem not to like links for some reason: that and I've already posted the links on this page.

4. Would bust the planet = planet busters even if it is "low tier" and considering Hao's feats prior to the supernova support the claim that he's a planetary threat, there isn't much room for doubt about it. Not sure what point you're trying to argue right now. Do you even know what you're trying to argue right now? Please clarify for me because this will make things a lot easier.

5. If I may ask where are you getting the number 6 from?Because I actually did a count and there's no less than 15 visible trees in my scan and that's not including the one obscured by the blaze.

6. Care to point out the mountains that Tsunade mentions. Even then whether or not its a mountain is still debatable. Take for instance the "mountain" Ichigo busted: it was concluded that it was barely larger than a hill.

7. If Tsunade was clearly out of it after the attack, then she didn't casually tank it: if she did, chances are she would still be ready to fight but as I stated before we'll never know. As for Tsunade being bisected:

8. I could do some photoshop work and point out how many trees I see but...is that really necessary? Prove it. For an attack to be able to destroy a solar system it would have to cross light-years worth of distance: the fact that it dissipated after being deflected also takes away from its "alleged" capabilities. BTW I have no idea how that example is relevant to this topic.

If you make a claim about something being canon and its not generally known to the person your debating against, then you need scans. It really sounds like you're dodging the question here so I'll resolve the Rasengan feat issue like I did the Orochimaru durability one. "Can he or can't he disintergrate something or large size or high durability with a Giant Rasengan?" show scans if the former is possible please.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
That was Lyserg blocking the comet and Hao swinging the comet towards the group. Well at least your no longer saying its Chocolove and Horohoro making the comet which is a step in the right direction.

1. On what grounds is my information wrong? The weight for the M67, which is 14 oz which translate to 400 grams(396.89 grams to be exact), along with the excepted value for the energy released from a gram of TNT: which is 4.183x10^3 joules. are excepted value by the U.S military and scientific community respectfully. You can find information on both below and the sites do include references. Heck I'll even include a wiki:
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/hand_grenades/hand-grenades-study-guide.shtml
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-07/964039884.Ch.r.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent

2. I did not, and if that is what I said somewhere in this mess of post then it was not intentional. I did argue that Hao would need FTL reaction time to transmute SoF into metal in order to block the laser. I'll also add that Hao's oversoul would also have to be strong enough to withstand the pressure from the laser being shot down from space which considering the scan not only give him FTL reaction time but also hill-busting durability.

3. Um...soul absorption=instant death as you saw in the scans. Also Hao can materialize SoF anywhere with oxygen meaning that he can spontaneously set ablaze object and people on a whim...as I've shown you with the forest, and the X-law dude using the laser, and the X-Laws fighting Hao, and to a certain degree even the island buster. Not sure why that isn't enough for you. I'd post the links again but you seem not to like links for some reason: that and I've already posted the links on this page.

4. Would bust the planet = planet busters even if it is "low tier" and considering Hao's feats prior to the supernova support the claim that he's a planetary threat, there isn't much room for doubt about it. Not sure what point you're trying to argue right now. Do you even know what you're trying to argue right now? Please clarify for me because this will make things a lot easier.

5. If I may ask where are you getting the number 6 from?Because I actually did a count and there's no less than 15 visible trees in my scan and that's not including the one obscured by the blaze.

6. Care to point out the mountains that Tsunade mentions. Even then whether or not its a mountain is still debatable. Take for instance the "mountain" Ichigo busted: it was concluded that it was barely larger than a hill.

7. If Tsunade was clearly out of it after the attack, then she didn't casually tank it: if she did, chances are she would still be ready to fight but as I stated before we'll never know. As for Tsunade being bisected:

8. I could do some photoshop work and point out how many trees I see but...is that really necessary? Prove it. For an attack to be able to destroy a solar system it would have to cross light-years worth of distance: the fact that it dissipated after being deflected also takes away from its "alleged" capabilities. BTW I have no idea how that example is relevant to this topic.

If you make a claim about something being canon and its not generally known to the person your debating against, then you need scans. It really sounds like you're dodging the question here so I'll resolve the Rasengan feat issue like I did the Orochimaru durability one. "Can he or can't he disintergrate something or large size or high durability with a Giant Rasengan?" show scans if the former is possible please.

So you're saying the Lyserg was the one using the mini-sun now? It WAS Chocolove and Horohoro making the comet, hints the fact that they SAID they were making it, dumb ass.

1. The weight or explosive capacity of the bomb was not given, i.e. It's not tnt, idiot.

2. So Twilight sparkle has instantaneous reaction speed because she can teleport? Meaning that, of course, she can easily stomp Hao? Hill busting? The laser didn't even destroy a small building made of concrete.

3. You have posted no island busters, because they don't exist in Shaman king. I saw the statement that Hao killed them AND THEN absorbed their souls. I saw Hao burning six trees.

4. "If this was the real thing, the planet would be destroyed"=/=This is a planet busting attack. It means the opposite, in fact. He said a supernova would destroy the planet, not Hao's attack that was named Supernova, so stop making shit up.

5. Ooh, fifteeee~een, that's obviously a forrest. Again, show me a full forrest being incinerated by it. Nut up, or shut up.

6. I guess you don't know what a mountain is, so there's no point even debating this further.

7. Once again you deny that she was drained of all her chakra while performing said feat. You also ignored what I said about bisection not meaning anything if the person who did it to you was a mountain buster, idiot.

8. Once again, you're the one who claimed he could burn down a forrest, so YOU'RE the one who has to "prove it". 👆

Cell's solar kamehameha wave never went into outer space. Once again though, they dissipate, they don't travel forever, retard.

I already did. Naruto vaporized Itachi's Zetsu clone that had 30% of Itachi's strength. Itachi blocked a mountain range busting attack casually, putting his clone at mountain/multi-mountain level. Jiraiya's rasengan's did vastly more, were vastly larger, and Jiraiya was vastly stronger than even the strongest non-biju mode Naruto.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So you're saying the Lyserg was the one using the mini-sun now? It WAS Chocolove and Horohoro making the comet, hints the fact that they SAID they were making it, dumb ass.

1. The weight or explosive capacity of the bomb was not given, i.e. It's not tnt, idiot.

2. So Twilight sparkle has instantaneous reaction speed because she can teleport? Meaning that, of course, she can easily stomp Hao? Hill busting? The laser didn't even destroy a small building made of concrete.

3. You have posted no island busters, because they don't exist in Shaman king. I saw the statement that Hao killed them AND THEN absorbed their souls. I saw Hao burning six trees.

4. "If this was the real thing, the planet would be destroyed"=/=This is a planet busting attack. It means the opposite, in fact. He said a supernova would destroy the planet, not Hao's attack that was named Supernova, so stop making shit up.

5. Ooh, fifteeee~een, that's obviously a forrest. Again, show me a full forrest being incinerated by it. Nut up, or shut up.

6. I guess you don't know what a mountain is, so there's no point even debating this further.

7. Once again you deny that she was drained of all her chakra while performing said feat. You also ignored what I said about bisection not meaning anything if the person who did it to you was a mountain buster, idiot.

8. Once again, you're the one who claimed he could burn down a forrest, so YOU'RE the one who has to "prove it". 👆

Cell's solar kamehameha wave never went into outer space. Once again though, they dissipate, they don't travel forever, retard.

I already did. Naruto vaporized Itachi's Zetsu clone that had 30% of Itachi's strength. Itachi blocked a mountain range busting attack casually, putting his clone at mountain/multi-mountain level. Jiraiya's rasengan's did vastly more, were vastly larger, and Jiraiya was vastly stronger than even the strongest non-biju mode Naruto.

That not what I said about Lyserg...here were my exact words:

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
That was Lyserg blocking the comet and Hao swinging the comet towards the group. Well at least your no longer saying its Chocolove and Horohoro making the comet which is a step in the right direction.

Another thing, first you said this about the comet feat:

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta

So you're telling me that HoroHoro and Chocolove are Hao, now? They are the ones who made the comet and shot it at Hao, not Hao, dumb ass. Maybe stop lying all the time and you won't get embarrassed like this. 👆

Then you said this about it:

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Are you retarded? There are two mechs. The one with the giant fireball above it is Hao's, the other is Yoh's. Yoh's is CLEARLY the one shooting the comet, dumb ass.

And now you're going back to Chocolove and Horohor even though they where still blocking the "direct" Solar Prominecne with the giant Iceberg attack. This is some serious flip-flopping dude.

1. Pretty tough talk for someone who's yet to back up any of his scans with any sort of numerical values or comparisons to grander feats: BTW you still never showed me Naruto tanking a point-blank explostion. Also, that's generally how TNT equivalency works and how folks can find out the energy released by a grenade: compare the objects mass to how much energy release when TNT of equal mass is detonated Sure I'll admit using an M67 as a comparison is speculation however even if I'd used a lower power grenade or even a stick of TNT...the X grenade would still clear the mega-joule mark which Hao tanked point blank in a contained area.

2. Teleporting =/= lightspeed also what feat from Twilight are you using? Regardless, Hao was able to transmute SoF and save the guy who initiated the laser attack as well. So you've ignored the laser going right through the cliff the building was under and the fact that it caused a crater right through the building: the only reason that much of the building was intact was because Hao had blocked it.

3. I'm pretty sure I did however I'll gladly show you what it looks like including the time frame for how long it would take to destroy and island. Dude at this point the best thing you could do is argue that its inconclusive:

Now tell me how the Sannin can prevent soul absorption with scan if you would

4. Usually if something has enough power to destroy the earth(or a planet) that would generally make it a planet buster: not sure what your definition of planet buster is. Meaning that Hao's supernova would've had to release over 2x10^(32) joules over energy on the spot.

5. You're dodging my question again. Answer mine first, prove to me that there were only 6 trees. Even if it were that doesn't take away from the fact that Hao can set ablaze anything he want if there's oxygen present.

6. That cute coming from someone who can't even show me a scan of what they're talking about.

7. No I didn't. Point out where I said those exact words. Also Tsunade was still vulnerable to being stabbed & bisected even when she was in fighting condition. So a blunt force City busting attack isn't a very good feat against a guy who can cause things/people to spontaneously combust.

8. I already showed you a scan that includes another characters stating that he's burning the forest down.

So let me get this straight, if Cell's "Solar System Busting" Kamehameha can't even reach deep space or last long enough to hit something that would cause a chain reaction, then how exactly was it supposed to destroy a solar system?

I specifically asked for Jiraiya not Naruto. I would appreciate if you didn't dodge my questions please.

Also Itachi never tanked a mountain busters. Its been generally accepted that the Uchiha Hideout was the size of a large hill. Even with the Yata Mirror Itachi still lost his Akatsuki cloak showing that he didn't block all of Kirin.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
That not what I said about Lyserg...here were my exact words:

Another thing, first you said this about the comet feat:

Then you said this about it:

And now you're going back to Chocolove and Horohor even though they where still blocking the "direct" Solar Prominecne with the giant Iceberg attack. This is some serious flip-flopping dude.

1. Pretty tough talk for someone who's yet to back up any of his scans with any sort of numerical values or comparisons to grander feats: BTW you still never showed me Naruto tanking a point-blank explostion. Also, that's generally how TNT equivalency works and how folks can find out the energy released by a grenade: compare the objects mass to how much energy release when TNT of equal mass is detonated Sure I'll admit using an M67 as a comparison is speculation however even if I'd used a lower power grenade or even a stick of TNT...the X grenade would still clear the mega-joule mark which Hao tanked point blank in a contained area.

2. Teleporting =/= lightspeed also what feat from Twilight are you using? Regardless, Hao was able to transmute SoF and save the guy who initiated the laser attack as well. So you've ignored the laser going right through the cliff the building was under and the fact that it caused a crater right through the building: the only reason that much of the building was intact was because Hao had blocked it.

3. I'm pretty sure I did however I'll gladly show you what it looks like including the time frame for how long it would take to destroy and island. Dude at this point the best thing you could do is argue that its inconclusive:

Now tell me how the Sannin can prevent soul absorption with scan if you would

4. Usually if something has enough power to destroy the earth(or a planet) that would generally make it a planet buster: not sure what your definition of planet buster is. Meaning that Hao's supernova would've had to release over 2x10^(32) joules over energy on the spot.

5. You're dodging my question again. Answer mine first, prove to me that there were only 6 trees. Even if it were that doesn't take away from the fact that Hao can set ablaze anything he want if there's oxygen present.

6. That cute coming from someone who can't even show me a scan of what they're talking about.

7. No I didn't. Point out where I said those exact words. Also Tsunade was still vulnerable to being stabbed & bisected even when she was in fighting condition. So a blunt force City busting attack isn't a very good feat against a guy who can cause things/people to spontaneously combust.

8. I already showed you a scan that includes another characters stating that he's burning the forest down.

So let me get this straight, if Cell's "Solar System Busting" Kamehameha can't even reach deep space or last long enough to hit something that would cause a chain reaction, then how exactly was it supposed to destroy a solar system?

I specifically asked for Jiraiya not Naruto. I would appreciate if you didn't dodge my questions please.

Also Itachi never tanked a mountain busters. Its been generally accepted that the Uchiha Hideout was the size of a large hill. Even with the Yata Mirror Itachi still lost his Akatsuki cloak showing that he didn't block all of Kirin.

You have to be the phucking densest person I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with for an extended period. You don't even know what you're talking about, when you're the one who brought up the topic in the first place. There are two mechs. One controlled by Hao. One controlled by Lyserg, Yoh, Chocolove, etc. Hao didn't "swing" to comet, you retard, the "good" mech shot it, obviously. I showed the scan to my friend and he could instantly tell what was happening. I don't know how you can be so stupid. I haven't "flip-flopped" once.

1. Tough talk? You still haven't shown a single thing suggesting how strong the grenade was, other than your bs fannon assumptions. BTW, it was never stated to be more than a normal grenade, meaning its explosion was no more concentrated than a normal one. Either way, Naruto still has this.

Him and part 1 Sasuke tanking an explosion just as big as Hao did.

2. Maybe you should tell yourself that, as you're the one comparing light speed to instant transmission. Twilight can teleport. She doesn't have timeless reaction speed. Again, you're saying that surviving something makes you faster than it. By your logic, if I shoot a laser pointer at myself, and don't die, I'm clearly faster than light. You're an idiot, and Hao is nowhere near even mach 20.

3. That's the first time you posted those. Anyway, they are clearly disproven by later statements contradicting those ones. Yoh said that their attacks were nothing comparable to actual elemental hazards they're named after. Even Hao's "sun" when cooled down was not even comparable to a volcano's heat. That kind of inconsistency instantly disproves it. Also, you wouldn't accept the Cell statement, but you accept this? Hm, seems like a word I like to spell as "bias". Fantard.

4. What's so hard to get about this? He didn't say that Hao's attack would destroy Earth, he said a supernova would. He said nothing about Hao planet busting, you ignorant fantard. I can even repost the scan.

5. I don't have to. The scan proves it by showing only six trees. You're claiming there to be more, so show me where it shows a whole forest burning. Why are you dodging my question if you know for A FACT that Hao can instantly vaporize a forest? Are you high? Do you know how vastly hotter a town busting explosion is than a mere human busting one? That's LITERALLY the difference between a trash can fire, and a nuclear bomb. You're retarded, and Hao trying to blow up the Sannin would kill them... of laughter, at how pitiful he is.

6. I can't find the scan, but you can look it up on a wiki if you want, since you're so keen to suggest their validity.

7. Said what? You ignored the fact, and still are ignoring it, that she was completely drained of chakra. You also ignored, you know, what I said about the whole bisecting thing.

8. No you didn't. If so, then show me again, and be sure to include your post as well.

Uh, are you thick? Why didn't Vegeta's final flash destroy the planet? Because he didn't want it to. Again, Cell's Kamehameha was never shot into the sun, or a planet.

What do you think a large hill is, idiot? Also, I was talking about him tanking the small moon busting explosion with Yata mirror, casually while protecting Killer Bee and Naruto. This one.

Naruto easily vaporized an Itachi with 33% of that ones power, without even going one tailed mode. Jiraiya is above full powered biju level, as I've already proven. I.e. His massive rasengan is about as potent as a biju bomb.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You have to be the phucking densest person I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with for an extended period. You don't even know what you're talking about, when you're the one who brought up the topic in the first place. There are two mechs. One controlled by Hao. One controlled by Lyserg, Yoh, Chocolove, etc. Hao didn't "swing" to comet, you retard, the "good" mech shot it, obviously. I showed the scan to my friend and he could instantly tell what was happening. I don't know how you can be so stupid. I haven't "flip-flopped" once.

1. Tough talk? You still haven't shown a single thing suggesting how strong the grenade was, other than your bs fannon assumptions. BTW, it was never stated to be more than a normal grenade, meaning its explosion was no more concentrated than a normal one. Either way, Naruto still has this.

Him and part 1 Sasuke tanking an explosion just as big as Hao did.

2. Maybe you should tell yourself that, as you're the one comparing light speed to instant transmission. Twilight can teleport. She doesn't have timeless reaction speed. Again, you're saying that surviving something makes you faster than it. By your logic, if I shoot a laser pointer at myself, and don't die, I'm clearly faster than light. You're an idiot, and Hao is nowhere near even mach 20.

3. That's the first time you posted those. Anyway, they are clearly disproven by later statements contradicting those ones. Yoh said that their attacks were nothing comparable to actual elemental hazards they're named after. Even Hao's "sun" when cooled down was not even comparable to a volcano's heat. That kind of inconsistency instantly disproves it. Also, you wouldn't accept the Cell statement, but you accept this? Hm, seems like a word I like to spell as "bias". Fantard.

4. What's so hard to get about this? He didn't say that Hao's attack would destroy Earth, he said a supernova would. He said nothing about Hao planet busting, you ignorant fantard. I can even repost the scan.

5. I don't have to. The scan proves it by showing only six trees. You're claiming there to be more, so show me where it shows a whole forest burning. Why are you dodging my question if you know for A FACT that Hao can instantly vaporize a forest? Are you high? Do you know how vastly hotter a town busting explosion is than a mere human busting one? That's LITERALLY the difference between a trash can fire, and a nuclear bomb. You're retarded, and Hao trying to blow up the Sannin would kill them... of laughter, at how pitiful he is.

6. I can't find the scan, but you can look it up on a wiki if you want, since you're so keen to suggest their validity.

7. Said what? You ignored the fact, and still are ignoring it, that she was completely drained of chakra. You also ignored, you know, what I said about the whole bisecting thing.

8. No you didn't. If so, then show me again, and be sure to include your post as well.

Uh, are you thick? Why didn't Vegeta's final flash destroy the planet? Because he didn't want it to. Again, Cell's Kamehameha was never shot into the sun, or a planet.

What do you think a large hill is, idiot? Also, I was talking about him tanking the small moon busting explosion with Yata mirror, casually while protecting Killer Bee and Naruto. This one.

Naruto easily vaporized an Itachi with 33% of that ones power, without even going one tailed mode. Jiraiya is above full powered biju level, as I've already proven. I.e. His massive rasengan is about as potent as a biju bomb.

Dude these were your exact words. you went from this statement:

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So you're telling me that HoroHoro and Chocolove are Hao, now? They are the ones who made the comet and shot it at Hao, not Hao, dumb ass. Maybe stop lying all the time and you won't get embarrassed like this. 👆

To this statement:
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Are you retarded? There are two mechs. The one with the giant fireball above it is Hao's, the other is Yoh's. Yoh's is CLEARLY the one shooting the comet, dumb ass.

Also does your friend have some scans or figures as to why the Sannin would win. You're still dodging the main question as to what the Sannin could do to Hao. Oh and you can misinterpret the panel till your blue in the face it won't change what's been presented.

1. Oh but that's where your wrong:

Also not only is that clash smaller than the arean in which the grenade was but neither Naruto nor Sasuke took it point blank in a contained area: they were pushed back. Also do you have a value of power for that explosion?

You've yet to prove any of my numbers are wrong: Tell me why 4.83x10^(3) joules is wrong, tell me that the mass of a M67 isn't 0.4 kilo grams, tell me that the energy released from M67 isn't 1.67x10^(6) is incorrect. Go ahead argue with generally accepted values from the US military and show you're own numbers as to why you think so. Far as I can tell my numbers are as legit as they can be so to say that I'm wrong on this is to argue with physics: are you really ready to go there?

2. Again these were your words...you were the one who first insinuated that notion:

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
2. So Twilight sparkle has instantaneous reaction speed because she can teleport? Meaning that, of course, she can easily stomp Hao? Hill busting? The laser didn't even destroy a small building made of concrete.

Oh and do tell how 3x10^(8) m/s is wrong. Go on I'm waiting

And that's not what I said, I said that Hao had to react to the laser in order to transmute SoF. Those were my words and if they weren't exact well here they are now.

3. Planet busting is planet busting and Yoh stated that Hao could've destroyed the planet if those events had actually happened on Earth. Prove otherwise with scans sir. Hao's previous feats support the notion that he can destroy the planet. Cell's feats do not support the notion he can destroy a solar system that's why.

Oh BTW I did post those you just don't like clicking links remember? And when are you going to give me a reason as to why I should believe the Sannin could resist Soul Absorption?

4. Hao's attack was the Supernova: prove otherwise or your wrong.

5. Yes you do. You made a claim now be a big boy and back up your statement with scans, numbers, or author quotes. If you don't do one of the three your statement becomes discredited: this is how KMC works not sure why this is a problem for you. I showed you Hao vaporizing a forest, you showed me Jiraiya using a fireball that didn't destroy anything noteworthy.

6. That's not my problem. You made a claim and couldn't deliver, meaning that I can discredit your statement about Tsunade pointing to a mountain.

7. Where did I disagree with Tsunade being drained. Also being drained of chakra and not being in any condition to fight afterwards means that Tsunade did not casually tank the city busters because in your own words "she was completely drained of chakra. Oh and as for the bisection, I'm really not sure what your arguing. Tsunade got bisected, end of story unless of course you want to argue that the tree could crush mountains: it probably could but can you prove it?

8. We since you asked "so nicely" here is when I asked:

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka

If you're so confident in this feat then how about showing me a scan of Jiraiya using the Giant Rasengan on something. Oh and I really hate to do this to Jiraiya but I have to mention it: the dude has never won a fight in canon despite his display of power in the story. Would love some scans showing otherwise.

Um...that's nice, but it has nothing to do with this. If Cell's attack was capably of destroying a solar system, the energy released would not only have to travel far but also be capable of destroying multiple planets which it didn't.

Okay then could you clarify what you are talking about? If you don't they I just have to assume what you're implying. Also as I've stated before the Yata Mirror couldn't protect Itachi from all of Kirin, in addition to the fact he already had Susanoo up when destroying the Chibaku Tensei along with Naruto and Bee. BTW none of this has anything to do with the Sannin so stop derailing the topic if you would.

You're acting like 33% is a big number and again Itachi is not a Sannin and as mentioned above I specifically asked for a feat from Jiraiya.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Dude these were your exact words. you went from this statement:

To this statement:

Also does your friend have some scans or figures as to why the Sannin would win. You're still dodging the main question as to what the Sannin could do to Hao. Oh and you can misinterpret the panel till your blue in the face it won't change what's been presented.

1. Oh but that's where your wrong:

Also not only is that clash smaller than the arean in which the grenade was but neither Naruto nor Sasuke took it point blank in a contained area: they were pushed back. Also do you have a value of power for that explosion?

You've yet to prove any of my numbers are wrong: Tell me why 4.83x10^(3) joules is wrong, tell me that the mass of a M67 isn't 0.4 kilo grams, tell me that the energy released from M67 isn't 1.67x10^(6) is incorrect. Go ahead argue with generally accepted values from the US military and show you're own numbers as to why you think so. Far as I can tell my numbers are as legit as they can be so to say that I'm wrong on this is to argue with physics: are you really ready to go there?

2. Again these were your words...you were the one who first insinuated that notion:

Oh and do tell how 3x10^(8) m/s is wrong. Go on I'm waiting

And that's not what I said, I said that Hao had to react to the laser in order to transmute SoF. Those were my words and if they weren't exact well here they are now.

3. Planet busting is planet busting and Yoh stated that Hao could've destroyed the planet if those events had actually happened on Earth. Prove otherwise with scans sir. Hao's previous feats support the notion that he can destroy the planet. Cell's feats do not support the notion he can destroy a solar system that's why.

Oh BTW I did post those you just don't like clicking links remember? And when are you going to give me a reason as to why I should believe the Sannin could resist Soul Absorption?

4. Hao's attack was the Supernova: prove otherwise or your wrong.

5. Yes you do. You made a claim now be a big boy and back up your statement with scans, numbers, or author quotes. If you don't do one of the three your statement becomes discredited: this is how KMC works not sure why this is a problem for you. I showed you Hao vaporizing a forest, you showed me Jiraiya using a fireball that didn't destroy anything noteworthy.

6. That's not my problem. You made a claim and couldn't deliver, meaning that I can discredit your statement about Tsunade pointing to a mountain.

7. Where did I disagree with Tsunade being drained. Also being drained of chakra and not being in any condition to fight afterwards means that Tsunade did not casually tank the city busters because in your own words "she was completely drained of chakra. Oh and as for the bisection, I'm really not sure what your arguing. Tsunade got bisected, end of story unless of course you want to argue that the tree could crush mountains: it probably could but can you prove it?

8. We since you asked "so nicely" here is when I asked:

Um...that's nice, but it has nothing to do with this. If Cell's attack was capably of destroying a solar system, the energy released would not only have to travel far but also be capable of destroying multiple planets which it didn't.

Okay then could you clarify what you are talking about? If you don't they I just have to assume what you're implying. Also as I've stated before the Yata Mirror couldn't protect Itachi from all of Kirin, in addition to the fact he already had Susanoo up when destroying the Chibaku Tensei along with Naruto and Bee. BTW none of this has anything to do with the Sannin so stop derailing the topic if you would.

You're acting like 33% is a big number and again Itachi is not a Sannin and as mentioned above I specifically asked for a feat from Jiraiya.

Why are you so phucking stupid?

I already explained it, it's not my fault that you're too dumb to understand that a tail comes from behind a comet, and not the front.

No I haven't. My point was that the Sannin have demonstrated destructive capacity VASTLY superior to Hao, and can therefore easily kill him because they've shown vastly greater strength. Again, Hao gets shat on.

1. What do you think was the epicenter? What do you think pushed them back? Are you high? Okay, 5 grenades, that's still not equivalent to the scan I gave of one, a forest clearing being decimated by one paper bomb, or two, Sasuke and Naruto creating and easily tanking an explosion that was larger than a waterfall.

2. Wasn't it you who first claimed that using a shield didn't count as actual durability. Hmm, also, transmuting the SOF was something he did as it was exploding, otherwise it wouldn't have done anything to the building. If not, prove that he did, otherwise, that reaction calc is still bullshit.

3.

Where is it you think they're fighting? OUTER SPACE. Yoh STATED that if it was an actual supernova/IRL, it would have destroyed the planet. There was nothing said about Hao's attack.

Cooler could star bust, so it makes obvious sense that someone much stronger could solar system bust. Simple logic, you idiot.

When are you going to prove that Hao didn't kill them AND THEN absorb their souls, like Yoh said he did? Until you do, which you can't, I can safely assume that the sannin with durabilities vastly superior to what Hao's disintegration has shown capable of doing, would safely tank it.

4. I just did. You're wrong.

5. How phucking hard is it to understand what burden of proof is? You claimed Hao destroyed a whole forrest, when there were demonstrably only a few trees. FOR THE LAST TIME, SHOW ME A SCAN OF AN ENTIRE FORREST BEING BURNED, WITH MORE THAN TEN TREES, OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 👆

No, you showed me Hao burning an entire six trees, I showed you Jiraiya conjuring a mountain sized fireball casually.

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6. Tough titty. Go look up a wiki, I forget when it even happened, but I know it did. If not, then whatever.

7. You didn't, you completely ignored it, like you still are. She was completely drained of chakra, and then tanked a small country busting attack. I.e. She can casually tank small country busting attacks with full chakra. A-phucking-gain, what does bisecting have to do with anything when you're bisected by something stronger than you can tank? Madara used wood style to create a forrest in one second. Not to mention that he needs rinnegan active to use it, which is stronger than his EMS, or in other words stronger than his Susano'o. That fact alone puts his wood style at high mountain tier casually. You even just admitted it yourself.

8. That's not what I was saying for you to provide, idiot. I said provide the scan you said you did provide, which was "another characters stating that he's burning the forest down.", according to you. Go ahead. Still waiting.

Uh, that's cute, but it actually does, idiot. Same with Frieza, DBZ characters can handily blow up planets and galaxies and even universes, but they don't because they want a challenge. Why do you think Kid Buu didn't blow up the Supreme Kai's world while fighting Goku? Same with Cell, they can easily dissipate their attacks and control them, as demonstrated by kid Trunks. I have a scan if you need it.

I already gave a scan. You know, Itachi casually blocking the combined explosions of Massive rasenshuriken, Full powered eight tails biju bomb, Yasaka magatama, and Planetary devastation. In other words, the explosion that blew up a small moon, and dwarfed a giant mountain range. 👆

The feat I gave was to show that Naruto could do one third of that, in other words multi-mountain bust in his weakest shippuden form from the start of the series. Jiraiya>>>>>1/3rd Itachi=Early Naruto>Mountain busting. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Why are you so phucking stupid?

I already explained it, it's not my fault that you're too dumb to understand that a tail comes from behind a comet, and not the front.

No I haven't. My point was that the Sannin have demonstrated destructive capacity VASTLY superior to Hao, and can therefore easily kill him because they've shown vastly greater strength. Again, Hao gets shat on.

1. What do you think was the epicenter? What do you think pushed them back? Are you high? Okay, 5 grenades, that's still not equivalent to the scan I gave of one, a forest clearing being decimated by one paper bomb, or two, Sasuke and Naruto creating and easily tanking an explosion that was larger than a waterfall.

2. Wasn't it you who first claimed that using a shield didn't count as actual durability. Hmm, also, transmuting the SOF was something he did as it was exploding, otherwise it wouldn't have done anything to the building. If not, prove that he did, otherwise, that reaction calc is still bullshit.

3.

Where is it you think they're fighting? OUTER SPACE. Yoh STATED that if it was an actual supernova/IRL, it would have destroyed the planet. There was nothing said about Hao's attack.

Cooler could star bust, so it makes obvious sense that someone much stronger could solar system bust. Simple logic, you idiot.

When are you going to prove that Hao didn't kill them AND THEN absorb their souls, like Yoh said he did? Until you do, which you can't, I can safely assume that the sannin with durabilities vastly superior to what Hao's disintegration has shown capable of doing, would safely tank it.

4. I just did. You're wrong.

5. How phucking hard is it to understand what burden of proof is? You claimed Hao destroyed a whole forrest, when there were demonstrably only a few trees. FOR THE LAST TIME, SHOW ME A SCAN OF AN ENTIRE FORREST BEING BURNED, WITH MORE THAN TEN TREES, OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 👆

No, you showed me Hao burning an entire six trees, I showed you Jiraiya conjuring a mountain sized fireball casually.

👆

6. Tough titty. Go look up a wiki, I forget when it even happened, but I know it did. If not, then whatever.

7. You didn't, you completely ignored it, like you still are. She was completely drained of chakra, and then tanked a small country busting attack. I.e. She can casually tank small country busting attacks with full chakra. A-phucking-gain, what does bisecting have to do with anything when you're bisected by something stronger than you can tank? Madara used wood style to create a forrest in one second. Not to mention that he needs rinnegan active to use it, which is stronger than his EMS, or in other words stronger than his Susano'o. That fact alone puts his wood style at high mountain tier casually. You even just admitted it yourself.

8. That's not what I was saying for you to provide, idiot. I said provide the scan you said you did provide, which was "another characters stating that he's burning the forest down.", according to you. Go ahead. Still waiting.

Uh, that's cute, but it actually does, idiot. Same with Frieza, DBZ characters can handily blow up planets and galaxies and even universes, but they don't because they want a challenge. Why do you think Kid Buu didn't blow up the Supreme Kai's world while fighting Goku? Same with Cell, they can easily dissipate their attacks and control them, as demonstrated by kid Trunks. I have a scan if you need it.

I already gave a scan. You know, Itachi casually blocking the combined explosions of Massive rasenshuriken, Full powered eight tails biju bomb, Yasaka magatama, and Planetary devastation. In other words, the explosion that blew up a small moon, and dwarfed a giant mountain range. 👆

The feat I gave was to show that Naruto could do one third of that, in other words multi-mountain bust in his weakest shippuden form from the start of the series. Jiraiya>>>>>1/3rd Itachi=Early Naruto>Mountain busting. 👆

So now your trying to argue that the way Hao swung the comet blade is wrong? Really? Oh and you didn't answer my previous question as to which statement you meant earlier. Make up you mind.

1. Hao was right at the center when it detonated. Yeah a grenade with 5x the power going off in Hao's face in a contained area. You say that but have yet to prove anything so I can conclude that your wrong until you show otherwise.

2. Hao blocked a light-speed attack. Not sure what you're trying to get at with using my own words against me but it still falls flat. Its funny how you can't seem to show me feats so you've had to resort to bashing the ones I've posted: Oh and answer my question about 3x10^(8) m/s being wrong.

3. Yeah, that means that if the fight took place on Earth, the supernova would've destroyed it. Again clarify your arguments: better yet actually make an argument instead of fabricating stories based on the stuff I posted. Hao's a low-tier planet buster with GS oh and Hao still has the Black Hole feat. You are aware of how Black Holes are created right? Here's a quick definition in case you were curious:
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/what-is-a-black-hole-58.html

Oh and it just so happens that Hao's Black Hole is created in the exact same way:

Cooler can star bust? Prove it. Because the last time I checked Cooler was killed by a star. Oh andonce again DBZ has nothing to do with this.

To answer your question would require you to answer mine about where are you getting the number 6 from. Can you point out the trees you see with an edited image?

Oh and the point about Hao killing someone first was your point not mine unless you want to find a statement where I said that.

4. Would you mind being a big boy and showing me exactly what your talking about. I have no problem showing you the same scan multiple time so its only fair you show me the same courtesy right?

5. I heard excuses but don't see any scans from you. Oh and again for me to answer your question about Hao burning the forest requires you to answer mine first since I asked first anyhow.

6. Excuses...excuses. I shouldn't have to prove your point for you. If you can't prove the validity of your own argument then your wrong.

7. Then it wasn't casual. If Tsunade had casually tanked it as you are implying then it wouldn't have mattered if she was drained of chakra, she would still be just fine: that's usually what casually tanking something implies. Show me a tree, mountain busting: this should actually be doable if your willing to look for the scan. Also what resistance does Tsunade have to being burned alive?

8. I already did, in fact its still on this page but here you go...again:

Forest engulfed in flames

DBZ has nothing to do with this so stop bringing it up. You can't actually prove any of my feats wrong so you're trying to argue about other subjects entirely. Nice strategy but not going to happen

That still doesn't answer the question about Kirin and how can you be sure Itachi was using the Yata Mirror. Furthermore, what does Itachi have to do with this: you're derailing the thread again considering Itachi is not a Sannin. You could make a Hao vs Itachi thread if your that concerned about it but that has nothing to do with them.

I don't care about Naruto I want a Jiraiya scan considering this thread deals with the Sannin. You said Jiraiya could do something so prove that he can.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So now your trying to argue that the way Hao swung the comet blade is wrong? Really? Oh and you didn't answer my previous question as to which statement you meant earlier. Make up you mind.

1. Hao was right at the center when it detonated. Yeah a grenade with 5x the power going off in Hao's face in a contained area. You say that but have yet to prove anything so I can conclude that your wrong until you show otherwise.

2. Hao blocked a light-speed attack. Not sure what you're trying to get at with using my own words against me but it still falls flat. Its funny how you can't seem to show me feats so you've had to resort to bashing the ones I've posted: Oh and answer my question about 3x10^(8) m/s being wrong.

3. Yeah, that means that if the fight took place on Earth, the supernova would've destroyed it. Again clarify your arguments: better yet actually make an argument instead of fabricating stories based on the stuff I posted. Hao's a low-tier planet buster with GS oh and Hao still has the Black Hole feat. You are aware of how Black Holes are created right? Here's a quick definition in case you were curious:
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/what-is-a-black-hole-58.html

Oh and it just so happens that Hao's Black Hole is created in the exact same way:

Cooler can star bust? Prove it. Because the last time I checked Cooler was killed by a star. Oh andonce again DBZ has nothing to do with this.

To answer your question would require you to answer mine about where are you getting the number 6 from. Can you point out the trees you see with an edited image?

Oh and the point about Hao killing someone first was your point not mine unless you want to find a statement where I said that.

4. Would you mind being a big boy and showing me exactly what your talking about. I have no problem showing you the same scan multiple time so its only fair you show me the same courtesy right?

5. I heard excuses but don't see any scans from you. Oh and again for me to answer your question about Hao burning the forest requires you to answer mine first since I asked first anyhow.

6. Excuses...excuses. I shouldn't have to prove your point for you. If you can't prove the validity of your own argument then your wrong.

7. Then it wasn't casual. If Tsunade had casually tanked it as you are implying then it wouldn't have mattered if she was drained of chakra, she would still be just fine: that's usually what casually tanking something implies. Show me a tree, mountain busting: this should actually be doable if your willing to look for the scan. Also what resistance does Tsunade have to being burned alive?

8. I already did, in fact its still on this page but here you go...again:

Forest engulfed in flames

DBZ has nothing to do with this so stop bringing it up. You can't actually prove any of my feats wrong so you're trying to argue about other subjects entirely. Nice strategy but not going to happen

That still doesn't answer the question about Kirin and how can you be sure Itachi was using the Yata Mirror. Furthermore, what does Itachi have to do with this: you're derailing the thread again considering Itachi is not a Sannin. You could make a Hao vs Itachi thread if your that concerned about it but that has nothing to do with them.

I don't care about Naruto I want a Jiraiya scan considering this thread deals with the Sannin. You said Jiraiya could do something so prove that he can.

What?! WHERE DID YOU GET COMET BLADE FROM? The good mech shot a comet at Hao, which is why the stream was coming from the "good" mech, idiot.

1. First off, I don't know why you keep saying contained area. It went off in a huge room, the explosion didn't hit every outer wall of the room. Also, the size of the explosion from Naruto and Sasuke's collision was MUCH larger. Since you're using tnt to calc from, and Rasengan/Chidori have shown feats similar to tnt like blowing through steel, I can calc that explosion to have an AOE of 225 ft., meaning it's exactly five times stronger than an M67 grenade, just like the one Hao tanked. That is LITERALLY Part 1 Naruto with a feat of durability as great as Hao's.

2. And? What does that have to do with anything? It's not like he was fighting and someone used a light speed attack. He knew WHEN, WHERE, AND HOW FAST the attack was going to hit. He had ample time to prepare for it. Again, you're literally saying that Orochimaru is faster than a Biju bomb and that Twilight sparkle can react and move to timeless occurrences, meaning no one short of gods or DBZ characters can hit her, including Hao. Again, answer me this. I blocked a light speed attack, because I held my hand up to a laser pointer and pointed it at my hand while turning it on. Does that, or does that not, make me light speed? Remember, whatever answer you give is the same answer you need to give for Hao, as the instances are literally the exact same.

3. No, actually, as the scan states, that means that if it was a real supernova, Earth would be destroyed. You're forgetting that they were right next to Earth. Again, Yoh said that in real life, a supernova would destroy Earth. He said nothing about Hao or his attack. So, to quote you, "you can misinterpret the panel till your blue in the face it won't change what's been presented.". 👆

Wrong again. Hao explained what happens when a star collapses. He said nothing about his attack. Again, the name of an attack means nothing. You're LITERALLY saying that Vegeta can casually shoot a ki blast with the combined force of the big bang. You're LITERALLY saying that Tien can create a giant wave of flame and radiation by holding his hands to his head. You're LITERALLY saying that Ichigo can cut heaven by swinging his sword. You're LITERALLY saying that, for some reason, Luffy can literally shoot elephants out of a gatling gun. Holy shit, you're retarded. ❌

I take it you've never seen the Cooler movie. While being shot at the sun on his attack and Goku's kamehameha wave, he said in his head while looking at the sun, "Hm? Oh, that must be this planets star. Perfect! I'll just blow it up and leave this monkey to freeze to death! Wait a second... I-I'm heading right towards it!". I.e. Cooler can star bust. Not to mention that first form Frieza blew up a planet ten times the size of Earth by pointing at it casually. Sheer power scaling puts Cooler at multi-solar system busting, something Cell can do with his least explosive attack. 👆

4. You just said it yourself. You posted it multiple times, "big boy". Again, Yoh said nothing about Hao or his attack.

5. Do you even know what you're talking about anymore? I already showed the scans. Jiraiya shooting a mountain sized fireball, and Hao demonstrably burning no more than six trees.

FOR THE LAST TIME, SHOW ME HAO BURNING AN ACTUAL FOREST WHERE THERE ARE MORE THAN SIX TREES, OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Oh wait, YOU CAN'T. You know why? BECAUSE THAT'S A TRANSLATION ERROR.

6. Whatever. It doesn't matter anyway.

7. Are you mentally handicapped? Tanking something while already completely exhausted means you can obviously tank it casually while healthy.

What about this?

Or this?

I don't know why you insist on me showing these feats when you clearly know them. BTW, they do count as Madara's feats, as even Tsunade said Madara's wood style was equal to Hashirama's.

8. I've seen that. I can count about twelve trees, and six small pillars of flame. Show me a demonstrable FOREST, as in thousands of trees, next to something like a mountain to show size. Otherwise, Hao's still a twelve tree buster, which is, again, nothing to Jiraiya's mountain sized flame.

So it's fine for you to use powerscaling based off of assumption to find a grenades power, but it's not okay for me to use it based off of cannon feats and scans to find Jiraiya's power? You're probably the most biased, socially-retarded, ignorant person I've ever met.

How's that for proof? Again, Jiraiya's massive Rasengan has mountain level potency. If you don't think so, then disprove one thing I've said.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What?! WHERE DID YOU GET COMET BLADE FROM? The good mech shot a comet at Hao, which is why the stream was coming from the "good" mech, idiot.

1. First off, I don't know why you keep saying contained area. It went off in a huge room, the explosion didn't hit every outer wall of the room. Also, the size of the explosion from Naruto and Sasuke's collision was MUCH larger. Since you're using tnt to calc from, and Rasengan/Chidori have shown feats similar to tnt like blowing through steel, I can calc that explosion to have an AOE of 225 ft., meaning it's exactly five times stronger than an M67 grenade, just like the one Hao tanked. That is LITERALLY Part 1 Naruto with a feat of durability as great as Hao's.

2. And? What does that have to do with anything? It's not like he was fighting and someone used a light speed attack. He knew WHEN, WHERE, AND HOW FAST the attack was going to hit. He had ample time to prepare for it. Again, you're literally saying that Orochimaru is faster than a Biju bomb and that Twilight sparkle can react and move to timeless occurrences, meaning no one short of gods or DBZ characters can hit her, including Hao. Again, answer me this. I blocked a light speed attack, because I held my hand up to a laser pointer and pointed it at my hand while turning it on. Does that, or does that not, make me light speed? Remember, whatever answer you give is the same answer you need to give for Hao, as the instances are literally the exact same.

3. No, actually, as the scan states, that means that if it was a real supernova, Earth would be destroyed. You're forgetting that they were right next to Earth. Again, Yoh said that in real life, a supernova would destroy Earth. He said nothing about Hao or his attack. So, to quote you, "you can misinterpret the panel till your blue in the face it won't change what's been presented.". 👆

Wrong again. Hao explained what happens when a star collapses. He said nothing about his attack. Again, the name of an attack means nothing. You're LITERALLY saying that Vegeta can casually shoot a ki blast with the combined force of the big bang. You're LITERALLY saying that Tien can create a giant wave of flame and radiation by holding his hands to his head. You're LITERALLY saying that Ichigo can cut heaven by swinging his sword. You're LITERALLY saying that, for some reason, Luffy can literally shoot elephants out of a gatling gun. Holy shit, you're retarded. ❌

I take it you've never seen the Cooler movie. While being shot at the sun on his attack and Goku's kamehameha wave, he said in his head while looking at the sun, "Hm? Oh, that must be this planets star. Perfect! I'll just blow it up and leave this monkey to freeze to death! Wait a second... I-I'm heading right towards it!". I.e. Cooler can star bust. Not to mention that first form Frieza blew up a planet ten times the size of Earth by pointing at it casually. Sheer power scaling puts Cooler at multi-solar system busting, something Cell can do with his least explosive attack. 👆

4. You just said it yourself. You posted it multiple times, "big boy". Again, Yoh said nothing about Hao or his attack.

5. Do you even know what you're talking about anymore? I already showed the scans. Jiraiya shooting a mountain sized fireball, and Hao demonstrably burning no more than six trees.

FOR THE LAST TIME, SHOW ME HAO BURNING AN ACTUAL FOREST WHERE THERE ARE MORE THAN SIX TREES, OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Oh wait, YOU CAN'T. You know why? BECAUSE THAT'S A TRANSLATION ERROR.

6. Whatever. It doesn't matter anyway.

7. Are you mentally handicapped? Tanking something while already completely exhausted means you can obviously tank it casually while healthy.

What about this?

Or this?

I don't know why you insist on me showing these feats when you clearly know them. BTW, they do count as Madara's feats, as even Tsunade said Madara's wood style was equal to Hashirama's.

8. I've seen that. I can count about twelve trees, and six small pillars of flame. Show me a demonstrable FOREST, as in thousands of trees, next to something like a mountain to show size. Otherwise, Hao's still a twelve tree buster, which is, again, nothing to Jiraiya's mountain sized flame.

So it's fine for you to use powerscaling based off of assumption to find a grenades power, but it's not okay for me to use it based off of cannon feats and scans to find Jiraiya's power? You're probably the most biased, socially-retarded, ignorant person I've ever met.

How's that for proof? Again, Jiraiya's massive Rasengan has mountain level potency. If you don't think so, then disprove one thing I've said.

Hao used the comet as a blade. Now you're arguing semantics since once again you can't actually prove that Hao didn't do it. Still waiting for you to answer my question.

1. Contained area as in this space:?

Also where did you get 225 ft from? Like I said neither Naruto nor Sasuke took the full force of the collision: they were sent back as seen on the scan you posted. And what power was behind the collision? If you're gong to use numbers its advised that you let people know where you got the numbers from. Would you stop bringing up non-Naruto related examples and focus on the Sannin please.

2. Hao was still able to transmute his element in order to block the attack. That is a feat for lightspeed reaction time. Can you show me any of the Sannin with a comparable feat? I don't think so. Except for the fact that Hao hadn't transmuted SoF prior to the laser being fired so that hand example is in the wrong context.

3. So you're saying you don't know how Black Holes are made even after I gave you a definition for it. Your being dishonest with me and yourself in that regard and its not cool. Also when an explanation to the attacks function matches the explanation for the real thing it still counts as a Black Hole

Also Yoh's words exactly " If this were real life, though, such an incredible power would have disintegrated the Earth. I'm sure" In reference to the supernova the group survived. Prove otherwise.

4. I don't see anything yet. Go ahead I'll wait.

5. Tell me where the 6 trees number came from and I'll answer your question. Along with that show me Jiraiya destroying a mountain: an actual mountain non of that mountain range stuff, I want visible evidence of something he destroying being equal to a mountain.

6. So I'm right then. Progress.

7. Circumstance, and that only applies after you tanked something not before. Meaning that if your were okay before the attack and are not okay afterwards then you didn't casually tank the attack in question. Which reminds me Tsunade wasn't exhausted at all prior to the attack.

So you are capable of finding scans. Good job, now tell me how that relates to Tsunade being bisected. Also Tsunade has been hurt by less... Kabuto for instance.

Where did you get that number from? And what mountain, what frame of reference are you scaling the fireball from? I've already shown you that the frogs themselves aren't bigger than mountains. Here I'll use the anime version since its secondary canon and matches up to the primary.
YouTube video

Edit: Skip to 58:04 for the fireball

When the grenade has a comparable real world value and its functionality is stated in the scan, then yes it is. Meanwhile the Jiraiya feat not only hasn't destroyed anything, but it isn't even as big as a mountain.

Still not going to show me the scan. I'd shut up if you would post something but since you can't back up your own claim then why should I believe you