Originally posted by red8
Nihilus makes Sith burgers out of Vitiate, Nyriss, and Scourge.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In-fact, Traya was most likely afraid and intimidated by ancients; she assumed that her talents paled in comparison to those of the ancients and it would be best course of action to destroy the Force itself.
Where was it stated that she was afraid of the 'ancients'? Pretty sure she wanted to destroy the force out of outright hatred for it, not out of possible fear of old Sith.
Originally posted by red8
Nihilus makes Sith burgers out of Vitiate, Nyriss, and Scourge.
Also;
- Sith Emperor will destroy Nihilus without much an issue (He have coped with shit that no one else have and I have yet to see a Force power that harms him). Good luck with this.
- Scourge is also immortal and can destroy Nihilus.
- Nyriss may fall to Nihilus but she can win too.
Nihilus isn't all-powerful and invincible. Get this nonsense out of your skull.
Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
Where was it stated that she was afraid of the 'ancients'? Pretty sure she wanted to destroy the force out of outright hatred for it, not out of possible fear of old Sith.
Example:
"If you were to face an ancient Sith lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Scourge is also immortal and can destroy Nihilus.- Nyriss may fall to Nihilus but she can win too.
Nihilus isn't all-powerful and invincible. Get this nonsense out of your skull.
Hahaha, no. Even ignoring that he could drain both of them, he's still much more powerful than either and would break them. This is the guy who lifted a capital ship off a gravity well before he started eating entire planets worth of Force power. He could stomp both of them with TK.
Being immortal isn't the same thing as invulnerable.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nihilus is the personification of overpowered. Vitiate is just his little cousin.
The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side’s power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Hahaha, no. Even ignoring that he could drain both of them, he's still much more powerful than either and would break them. This is the guy who lifted a capital ship off a gravity well before he started eating entire planets worth of Force power. He could stomp both of them with TK.
However, the latter two can find a way to undermine Nihilus too. This boils down to decision-making factor.
Nyriss doesn't likes to waste time during her duels, she thinks smart and reacts very fast (not likes to give ample time to her opponents to think of a counter or attack her first). If she attacks first, she may gain advantage and eliminate Nihilus.
Scourge also became very powerful in a span of 300 years. He reached a point that he could choke a dozen opponents to death without a gesture and even send HoT packing with a push mid-fight. On top of this, he is superior duelist then Nihilus and Force speed is also his specialty. He might be able to attempt blitz on Nihilus and succeed.
So it all boils down to how the duel proceeds.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Being immortal isn't the same thing as invulnerable.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That feat reveals that Nihilus can overwhelm both Scourge and Nyriss with his Force powers, this is not in dispute.However, the latter two can find a way to undermine Nihilus too. This boils down to decision-making factor.
Nyriss doesn't likes to waste time during her duels, she thinks smart and reacts very fast (not likes to give ample time to her opponents to think of a counter or attack her first). If she attacks first, she may gain advantage and eliminate Nihilus.
Scourge also became very powerful in a span of 300 years. He reached a point that he could choke a dozen opponents to death without a gesture and even send HoT packing with a push mid-fight. On top of this, he is superior duelist then Nihilus and Force speed is also his specialty. He might be able to attempt blitz on Nihilus and succeed.
So it all boils down to how the duel proceeds.
He can and will. They more powerful in a duel almost always wins.
I don't see how they can undermine him. Their Force attacks will never affect him and they cannot close the distance to assault him with lightsabers before he TK and drains them.
If she attacks first, Nihilus will simply block the attack then kill her.
I highly doubt a Sith as overwhelmingly powerful as Nihilus could be blitzed. You may as well say that Scourge can blitz the Emperor.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He reached a point that he could choke a dozen opponents to death without a gesture and even send HoT packing with a push mid-fight.
When did he do this?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I understand but it improves the defensive abilities of a Force-user, possibly grants immunity against some powers as well.
No it doesn't.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here:The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.
His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred.[/
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Newsflash: Nihilus cannot kill immortals. This have been demonstrated in Sion versus Nihilus footage. Cut content or not, this is no excuse to sell Nihilus as capable of beating just anybody.Also;
- Sith Emperor will destroy Nihilus without much an issue (He have coped with shit that no one else have and I have yet to see a Force power that harms him). Good luck with this.
- Scourge is also immortal and can destroy Nihilus.
- Nyriss may fall to Nihilus but she can win too.
Nihilus isn't all-powerful and invincible. Get this nonsense out of your skull.
Her comments give this kind of vibe.
Example:
"If you were to face an ancient Sith lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."
That gave me the impression that she acknowledged their superiority in Lightsaber combat, not out of fear.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He can and will. They more powerful in a duel almost always wins.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't see how they can undermine him. Their Force attacks will never affect him and they cannot close the distance to assault him with lightsabers before he TK and drains them.
Also, I don't get the distance argument. Are you assuming large gap or small gap between the opponents?
Originally posted by Nephthys
If she attacks first, Nihilus will simply block the attack then kill her.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I highly doubt a Sith as overwhelmingly powerful as Nihilus could be blitzed. You may as well say that Scourge can blitz the Emperor.
As far as Sith Emperor is concerned, he have felled master swordsmen, never got blitzed in any duel and he have enormous combat history. We have proper evidence of his excellence in the matters of Force speed.
The case of Nihilus is vague unfortunately. I realize that Meetra is possibly an expert swordsman and this might be the reason she outdueled Nihilus when the latter's draining powers became non-factor?
Originally posted by Nephthys
When did he do this?
Scourge as of TOR is on a whole new level in comparison to what he was during the time of his service to Nyriss.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And? Is this even to be taken seriously? The Father, The Son, the Daughter, Abeloth, etc are all more powerful then him. I seriously doubt the validness of this quote.
It assures that Sith Emperor is superior to Nihilus and a contender for TOP-TIER Force-users of the mythos.
I seriously don't get the bias factor in relation to TOR era lore. Deal with it.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nihilus's telekentic and drain feats are unrivaled throughout the mythos, and his accoaldes are just as/as good as Vitiate's.
Nihilus doesn't have comparable accolades. Also, Sith Emperor have demonstrated galaxy-wide coverage with Force Drain. Do the math.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nihilus is more powerful then this.
He will slowly kill all who is in his presense, and his mere speaking will do the same, neither of which you can say the same for about Vitiate.
It assures that Sith Emperor is superior to Nihilus and a contender for TOP-TIER Force-users of the mythos.
Nihilus doesn't have comparable accolades.
Also, Sith Emperor have demonstrated galaxy-wide coverage with Force Drain. Do the math.
Well I didn't lie, just knocked out a couple hours and did a respect thread for Nihilus (much larger then the one Silver2467 did).
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nihilus-respect-thread/97172/
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
A mere accolade that isn't even true is not better then monstrous feats and just as good accolades.
Debate about "most powerful" is useless because a proper consensus doesn't exists about this matter for Star Wars even at official capacity. Star Wars is an evolving subject and new developments most likely overrule older developments as per Lucas canon rules if I am not mistaken.
- Leeland Chee vouches for The Father (not in lore)
- Legacy lore vouches for Abeloth
- TOR lore vouches for Sith Emperor
- Daniel Wallace vouches for Darth Sidious
- James Luceno vouches for Darth Plagueis
Its a mess to be honest.
So far, TOR lore based candidate is latest in the list.
At minimum, you should believe that Sith Emperor is TOP-TIER material if not exactly the TOP ONE in the context of entire mythos.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
True...he has better. (I'm in the process of making a respect thread for him)
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You mean the one time with Revan? lol.
Do the math:
Nihilus has destroyed numerous planets, can sense force sensitives in the opposite of the galaxy by a mere stray thought, and can drain within a solar systems reach. On top of this, his telekinesis is unrivaled throughout the mythos.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor have been siphoning energy from many individuals stationed on Dromund Kaas in addition to doing the same with Revan from far away. Heck, Emperor continuously siphoned energies from his Hand(s) (in particular) even when these individuals would be spread out in various parts of the galaxy for tasks assigned to them by him.Emperor is an absolute master of Force Drain talents.
If you are not paying attention to revelations, do not bother responding.
Also, you are making shit up about Nihilus. Yes, he have drained on planetary-scale but never from lightyear distances and such. He also doesn't have galactic reach with any of his powers.
Also, Nihilus didn't exactly held his flagship together, Tobin was speculating. When Nihilus fell in battle, his flagship didn't disintegrate as evidence.
On the other hand, Darth Jadus (a Dark Council) member legitimately held his flagship together with his power in the Force when attempt was made to disintegrate it. Imagine the power that this Sith Lord packs on the whole. And Sith Emperor is even more powerful.
Do not mistake leniency of Bioware in exploring Sith Emperor as a sign of the character's weakness. Bioware have made it clear that no one matched Sith Emperor as long as he existed. Heck, Emperor's apprentice destroyed an entire gigantic space station (the size of a large city) with her powers.