Was the Sith Emperor afraid of Darth Nihilus

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DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

So you like to pick and choose among canon statements? You don't get to decide what is true and what is not at personal capacity.

Debate about "most powerful" is useless because a proper consensus doesn't exists about this matter for Star Wars even at official capacity. Star Wars is an evolving subject and new developments most likely overrule older developments as per Lucas canon rules if I am not mistaken.

- Leeland Chee vouches for The Father (not in lore)
- Legacy lore vouches for Abeloth
- TOR lore vouches for Sith Emperor
- Daniel Wallace vouches for Darth Sidious
- James Luceno vouches for Darth Plagueis

Its a mess to be honest.

So far, TOR lore based candidate is latest in the list.

At minimum, you should believe that Sith Emperor is TOP-TIER material if not exactly the TOP ONE in the context of entire mythos.

Vitiate is top tier material.
So is Nihilus.

I don't have a solution for your delusions.

Delusions? Your a solid brick wall. This dude eats planets for a living.

You certainly have memory issues:

But those feats you provided are no where near impressive as you make it out to be. 😂

Draining on Dromaund Kaas: Not impressive since he's on the planet.

Draining Revan: Not impressive since Revan was positioned in a fashion for Vitiate to drain him, and Revan can't fight back.

Draining Hands: These individuals worked and ensured the survival of the Emperor, they were basically designed for themselves to be drained.

Yes, he have drained on planetary-scale but never from lightyear distances and such.

Go get yourself a hold of Roleplaying Game: Saga Edition Core Rulebook, then go to "distant power" and "devastating power" on page 103.
He can adjust the strength of his power as he wishes, until the point of where he can "increase the range to anywhere in the same star system."
He also doesn't have galactic reach with any of his powers

He could sense Jedi from across the galaxy. It's incredible how lacking of knowledge you know of him. Did you even play the game? He *bad word* sensed the Exile from across the galaxy!

On the other hand, Darth Jadus (a Dark Council) member legitimately held his flagship together with his power in the Force when attempt was made to disintegrate it. Imagine the power that this Sith Lord packs on the whole. And Sith Emperor is even more powerful.

That's great, but consider the following:
1. The emperor has never demonstrated this ability.
2. Nihilus did it to numerous, larger ships, and then was able to move them throughout all of the galaxy. And he did this from first literally ripping the ships from a massive and intense gravity vertex.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

He could sense Jedi from across the galaxy. It's incredible how lacking of knowledge you know of him. Did you even play the game? He *bad word* sensed the Exile from across the galaxy!

I was kind enough to find the two quotes concerning this for you.

Quote One (Darth Traya to Exile):

"The less said of that one, the better—even a stray thought may draw him."

Quote Two (Nihilus and Visas on the Exile):
*Darth Nihilus speaks*

"I have felt it, too, my lord...a disturbance in the Force...It was difficult to make out, my lord. At first it was such a quiet thing, I did not notice it. But now I wonder if it has always been there, I merely could not hear it before. The sound built so slowly, yet when you listen for it, you can make out the strains, even over the background life of the universe. Do you feel it is a thr-

*Darth Nihilus speaks and chokes Marr*

"You… you are the darkness in which all life dies, my lord. All life… exists to feed your power, and my life… my life is yours. I beg you… please… let me die. Yes… this disturbance… echoes through the Force. I can follow it to its source… and bring it to you. I will leave at once, my lord."

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate is top tier material.
So is Nihilus.

Difference is that the top one is according to canon but the bottom one is not.

Bottom-line: Sith Emperor > Nihilus

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Delusions? Your a solid brick wall. This dude eats planets for a living.

Nihilus could pull off such a feat due to his "black hole like condition" but he didn't have control over such power. Ironically, his greatest strength is not his own but a product of his strange condition.

In the context of sheer scale, Nihilus's feat seems to be most impressive. However, million dollar question is that can be drain a superior Force-user? For all we know, Nihilus might be able to drain on planetary-scale on one end but not a single individual in versus scenario on the other end.

Analogy: Sidious mind-wiped millions of Coruscant citizens at one point but couldn't do so to Yoda.

So scale is not a measure of potency.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
But those feats you provided are no where near impressive as you make it out to be. 😂

🙄

Unlike Nihilus, Sith Emperor have absolute control over his powers. This is a measure of true strength and not just a condition.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Draining on Dromaund Kaas: Not impressive since he's on the planet.

🙄 The entire planet is a huge place. An individual is not safe from Emperor's powers in any part of this planet.

Assume that you are in USA and I am in Malaysia. Now I have the power to drain you from any distance and begin to drain you from Malaysia. How is this not impressive display of power? 🙄

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Draining Revan: Not impressive since Revan was positioned in a fashion for Vitiate to drain him, and Revan can't fight back.

The impressive act is the lightyear distance factor in this case. It is not possible to drain someone from lightyear distances even if that someone is incapacitated or something without unprecedented mastery over Force Drain talents.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Draining Hands: These individuals worked and ensured the survival of the Emperor, they were basically designed for themselves to be drained.

These individuals weren't designed to be drained you idiot. Sith Emperor drained these individuals and this left them powerless and not beneficial in the matters of combat and offensive operations. In addition, the individuals could die from exposure to this kind of power so Emperor granted them immortality or prolonged their lives as long as he wished. These individuals were labeled as hands and Sith Emperor would assign them tasks other then combat.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Go get yourself a hold of Roleplaying Game: Saga Edition Core Rulebook, then go to "distant power" and "devastating power" on page 103.
He can adjust the strength of his power as he wishes, until the point of where he can "increase the range to anywhere in the same star system."

If he could drain on star system scale, why didn't he? He was persistent about draining every living being and expanding the range would be to his benefit because this would reduce his travelling process. However, we don't see this happen in lore.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He could sense Jedi from across the galaxy. It's incredible how lacking of knowledge you know of him. Did you even play the game? He *bad word* sensed the Exile from across the galaxy!

How exactly did he sense Exile from across the galaxy? Wasn't Exile a wound during this time?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's great, but consider the following:
1. The emperor has never demonstrated this ability.

Just because Emperor haven't been demonstrated performing this kind of feat, doesn't implies that he cannot. Emperor is more powerful then those who can pull off this kind of feat which implies that he can do better in comparison. Emperor haven't been explicitly depicted to lift a rock, doesn't means he cannot. Use common sense.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
2. Nihilus did it to numerous, larger ships, and then was able to move them throughout all of the galaxy. And he did this from first literally ripping the ships from a massive and intense gravity vertex.

This is stated where? Nihilus's fleet was functioning without his aid when Exile and co. boarded his flagship.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Bottom-line: Sith Emperor > Nihilus

In a fight? No.
However, million dollar question is that can be drain a superior Force-user?

He drains Traya, and on Katarr were the "the most powerful Jedi" still alive.
Unlike Nihilus, Sith Emperor have absolute control over his powers. This is a measure of true strength and not just a condition

Nihilus doesn't have control because the power is so much more immense then Vitiate's.
How is this not impressive display of power? roll eyes (sarcastic)

So Dromaund Kaas is as large as a solar system? 😂
It is not possible to drain someone from lightyear distances even if that someone is incapacitated or something without unprecedented mastery over Force Drain talents.

😆 You don't need to control your Force Drain talents...he canonically can drain a solar systems distance. Fact>>Your opinion. Get over it.
why didn't he? He was persistent about draining every living being and expanding the range would be to his benefit because this would reduce his travelling process.

What the hell did you think he did? He destroyed numerous planets, probably entire solar systems.

If Vitiate could drain across the galaxy, why the hell couldn't he solo Coruscant's Jedi? 😠

How exactly did he sense Exile from across the galaxy? Wasn't Exile a wound during this time?

Go ask the writers, all that matters is that he did.
This is stated where? Nihilus's fleet was functioning without his aid when Exile and co. boarded his flagship.

The fact the ship was functioning is a common unknown throughout fans. The common theory was his spirit was still their (via armor), and he was still able to keep it together. Also, have you even played KOTOR2? Like seriously?

"This ship... is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet...that is a measure of his power.
This ship is barely holding itself together. The structural damage should have destroyed it long ago."
"He holds it together."

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I was kind enough to find the two quotes concerning this for you.

I thank you for your effort.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quote One (Darth Traya to Exile):

"The less said of that one, the better—even a stray thought may draw him."


Metaphoric assumption. Traya was afraid of Nihilus.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quote Two (Nihilus and Visas on the Exile):
*Darth Nihilus speaks*

"I have felt it, too, my lord...a disturbance in the Force...It was difficult to make out, my lord. At first it was such a quiet thing, I did not notice it. But now I wonder if it has always been there, I merely could not hear it before. The sound built so slowly, yet when you listen for it, you can make out the strains, even over the background life of the universe. Do you feel it is a thr-


This may refer to a "vergerence in the Force" that occurred when Traya bonded with the Exile. This have been pointed out in KoTORCG.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
*Darth Nihilus speaks and chokes Marr*

"You… you are the darkness in which all life dies, my lord. All life… exists to feed your power, and my life… my life is yours. I beg you… please… let me die. Yes… this disturbance… echoes through the Force. I can follow it to its source… and bring it to you. I will leave at once, my lord."


See above.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Metaphoric assumption. Traya was afraid of Nihilus.

She wasn't afraid of him? And "assumption"? Traya taught Nihilus how to do all the draining and the powers, she would know.
This may refer to a "vergerence in the Force" that occurred when Traya bonded with the Exile. This have been pointed out in KoTORCG.

What? lol He senses her through the force, as stated, and asks Marr if she senses it, and she does, then Nihilus orders her to find the Exile.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Let's look at your claims so far, shall we?
1. Vitiate has better draining abilities then Darth Nihilus.
-Evidence supported is laughed at compared to that of Nihilus.
2. Darth Nihilus is not impressive because he cannot control his power.
-This is laughed over because it is irrelevant. Power is power, and he could use the power. I would argue that IF he had control over it, his abilities would be lesser then what they actually are.

Those are the main things, and I already forsee you will not back down against your "all mighty" Sith Emperor ^

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In a fight? No.

Power makes difference in combat, genius. Even a kid understands this simple fact.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He drains Traya, and on Katarr were the "the most powerful Jedi" still alive.

Nihilus is/was stronger then all of these individuals on separate basis. This is why.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nihilus doesn't have control because the power is so much more immense then Vitiate's.

This doesn't makes any sense.

If Nihilus was natural, he wouldn't have managed to pull off planetary-scale devastation. His strange condition of feeding on others granted him such capability. Try to understand this matter.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So Dromaund Kaas is as large as a solar system? 😂

You missed the point; your "not impressive" comment is lame.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
😆 You don't need to control your Force Drain talents...he canonically can drain a solar systems distance. Fact>>Your opinion. Get over it.

What kind of bullshit is this? A Force-user should have absolute control over his actions and powers. This shouldn't be a condition-mediated development.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What the hell did you think he did? He destroyed numerous planets, probably entire solar systems.

Provide SOLID PROOF.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If Vitiate could drain across the galaxy, why the hell couldn't he solo Coruscant? 😠

Because their would be no story to tell then.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Go ask the writers, all that matters is that he did.

No, you are not making sense. You are not providing proof.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The fact the ship was functioning is a common unknown throughout fans. The common theory was his spirit was still their (via armor), and he was still able to keep it together. Also, have you even played KOTOR2? Like seriously?

This doesn't makes any sense either. Fanon about Nihilus have crossed sanity levels.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"This ship... is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet...that is a measure of his power.
This ship is barely holding itself together. The structural damage should have destroyed it long ago."
"He holds it together."

Yes, a speculation from a crew member of Ravager.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
She wasn't afraid of him? And "assumption"? Traya taught Nihilus how to do all the draining and the powers, she would know.

Traya was afraid after the betrayal. She sought revenge and opportunity came when she found Meetra.

Traya teaching Nihilus about Force Drain is irrelevant.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What? lol He senses her through the force, as stated, and asks Marr if she senses it, and she does, then Nihilus orders her to find the Exile.

No, you didn't understand it.

This happens:

Kriea's union with the Exile creates a vergence in the Force that reconnects them to the energy field surrounding all living things.

Nihilus and Visas sense this development and Nihilus commands Visas to investigate.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Let's look at your claims so far, shall we?
1. Vitiate has better draining abilities then Darth Nihilus.
-Evidence supported is laughed at compared to that of Nihilus.

Sith Emperor had galactic coverage with his Force Drain powers and he also siphoned energies from many individuals irrespective of where they would be located. Nothing to laugh here.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
2. Darth Nihilus is not impressive because he cannot control his power.
-This is laughed over because it is irrelevant. Power is power, and he could use the power. I would argue that IF he had control over it, his abilities would be lesser then what they actually are.

Those are the main things, and I already forsee you will not back down against your "all mighty" Sith Emperor ^


Issue with Darth Nihilus is that his most epic feats are manifestations of his wound cum blackhole condition. Nihilus is certainly very powerful but he doesn't matches Sith Emperor.

Sith Emperor is legitimately supremely powerful in the ways of the Force. Nihilus is an anomaly.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Traya was afraid after the betrayal. She sought revenge and opportunity came when she found Meetra.

This is completely your speculation.
Nihilus and Visas sense this development and Nihilus commands Visas to investigate.

"She tracks down a disturbance that turns out to be the Exile."
-kotorcg
No mention of Traya or the link ^
Issue with Darth Nihilus is that his most epic feats are manifestations of his wound cum blackhole condition. Nihilus is certainly very powerful but he doesn't matches Sith Emperor.

This is irrelevant.
You deem things weak because it happens a certain way.
How it happens is irrelevant, and his "blackhole condition" would do the same to the Emperor as well.
Power makes difference in combat, genius. Even a kid understands this simple fact.

Yes, and Nihilus wields more raw power then Vitiate, as demonstrated by his better feats.
Nihilus is/was stronger then all of these individuals on separate basis. This is why.

And? The combined might of a 100 Jedi + the most powerful alive + a species of force sensitives is more powerful in force power then Nihilus.
he wouldn't have managed to pull off planetary-scale devastation. His strange condition of feeding on others granted him such capability. Try to understand this matter.

You act as if I denied this statement?
You missed the point; your "not impressive" comment is lame.

Like your mom last night. 😮‍💨
What kind of bullshit is this? A Force-user should have absolute control over his actions and powers. This shouldn't be a condition-mediated development.

A couple things:
1. Nihilus has some control over this.
2. The fact he has no control grants him abilities he other wise wouldn't have, such as the fact his speech/pressance means death to all around him. Other wise, he would have to "turn on and off" this ability, which can leave him vulnerable.
Provide SOLID PROOF.

😆 😆 😆 😆
You, of all people, are saying this?
Like the proof you have that Kreia fears Nihilus or the ancient Sith?
Like the proof you have Vitiate can survive Nihilus's drain?
Like the proof you have Nihilus's drain is not impressive?

He is stated to have destroyed numerous planets, and also stated to be able to amplify his abilities within a solar systems reach. There's your proof. More then you have yet to provide.

This doesn't makes any sense either. Fanon about Nihilus have crossed sanity levels.

? Provide a better explanation. He holds the ship together, and his spirit was still their (via quotes saying after he died, his spirit traveled with his armor). It makes perfect sense.
Sith Emperor had galactic coverage with his Force Drain powers and he also siphoned energies from many individuals irrespective of where they would be located. Nothing to laugh here.

All of Vitiate's draining feats are purely under circumstances and NEVER seen in battle. His draining feats require him to stay in his little castle on Dromaund Kaas, and use extreme concentration on people who allow themselves/are defenseless against it. He has NEVER displayed the ability to drain planets on such a scale as Nihilus have.'
No, you are not making sense. You are not providing proof.

I provided numerous quotes supporting such. That is defined as proof. What you are doing is called "ignoring the proof."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_2TmCROeY
Go watch this ^
"It was not MY wish to challenge you."
This is the third damn quote I gave you saying Nihilus told Marr to hunt down the Exile.

Because their would be no story to tell then.

I take this as your concession to the thread

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Also, do me a favor and checkout my respect thread on him...I made it for u. 😉
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nihilus-respect-thread/97172/

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Like your mom last night. 😮‍💨

Don't ever disrespect my mom in this manner, you piece of shit.

Keep your responses relevant.

Before you type something, keep in mind that people from different cultural backgrounds post here and you don't have the liberty to insult them in this fashion.

Until you will apologize to me, I won't be responding to your debates.

queeq Chaos

Okay there, Ant and Legend… keep the language civilized and respectful. BOTH of you.

Intrepid37 Restricted

lol

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Intrepid37
lol

What's so funny about this?

People should learn to respect women (mothers, sisters and wives) of other individuals. Those who don't have sick minds.

Intrepid37 Restricted

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What's so funny about this?

People should learn to respect women (mothers, sisters and wives) of other individuals. Those who don't have sick minds.


Yeah, I agree. Ant is a renowned troll across various boards; a ban would be appropriate.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yeah, I agree. Ant is a renowned troll across various boards; a ban would be appropriate.

You mean the other boards where you banned me because I told you to stop spamming pornographic content and so you came here and decided to spam here?

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Oh shut up you guys. Keep your bickerings private.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66