Originally posted by Sinious
My take on this:-There is literally nothing that proves Nihilus could harm someone who is more powerful than him with his drain.
-Even if he could harm someone who is more powerful than him like Yoda, it would still be more unlikely with Vitiate because Vitiate is aligned with the dark side as well and is a master of draining. So it is more likely that he could defend against it.
-Kreia knew more about Nihilus and his nature than anyone else yet her opinion contradicts with the claims made here.
-If Nihilus' drain is truly unique like some people suggest, then why did Kreia say "Nihilus is using the same technique that the ancients used"?
-Some people may say that Kreia was lying but if she did lie, then it would be in favor of Nihilus wankage because she wanted the Exile to take the sith threat seriously and Kreia herself obviously cared more about the present sith than the ancient ones.
-Kreia also says that Nihilus is not as powerful as them.
-Vitiate is confirmed to be the most powerful sith amongst the ancients and surpasses every sith and jedi that came before him in both raw power and knowledge of the force.
-Vitiate simply has better feats and accolades than Nihilus.So what does that tell us? Nihilus is a very blurry character that cannot be gauged properly with the current information we have out there. Not to mention he has endless incarnations. When we put him in versus threads, are we talking bout the Nihilus who recently drained Katarr or the one that faced the Exile or perhaps Nihilus from another instance of the game? But based on what we know right now, a learnt opinion absent fanboyism would suggest that Nihilus is not the OP monster that could defeat even top tier sith/jedi but he is one of the most powerful force users in the mythos who has a unique connection to the force and has a hax drain power. The problem is, people are forgetting that Nihilus isn't the only one with haxx abilities.
-All those on Katarr combined were stronger than him,and he nommed them in a few seconds.
-Any source to back that up,that Vitiate is immune to Force drain? You know,punching you doesn't mean you can't punch me!? 😛
-No,her opinions don't contradict themselves,you were just not paying attention to her words. 😉
-Kreia says,it is a technique old almost as the ancient Sith themselves,it is not a technique of the Sith,it is a technique,but not of the Sith,next time read with more attention.
-Kreia did not lie about that,that *Wounding* technique,it is not of the Sith.
-That line is very blurry,we don't know if she meant about conquests,military power,knowledge or personal raw power,the first three are the most reasonable.
-And I remembered somewhere that it said Exar Kun was the most powerful Sith of them all in the Old Republic. 😉 This ultimately proves that the lores from Star Wars at *the most powerful* term always contradict themselves.
-Vitiate's feats usually take place on dark side nexuses,or aided by someone else,though I won't deny his TP.
-Nihilus doesn't have any connection to the Force,he was ripped from it,we don't know even if it was a Force-sensitive before his *birth*. Nihilus was literally a black hole in the very fabric of the Force.
Say what you want,but Nihilus>Vitiate
And we don't have any source of him being immune to Force drain,let alone Nihilus' Hunger. 😉
It might appear you don't know a thing about Nihilus,it might *appear*,just. Either you were trying to piss me off,or you really didn't know that.
Nihilus is that truly OP monster,he is technically the Grim Reaper of Star Wars Universe,his design was inspired by the Reaper and No-Face.
But Nihilus is one of them,TK,Hunger,Far Sight,a few but three of most important powers for a Dark Lord(His Hunger is only his,don't count it for others too)
Originally posted by Sinious
I don't think he is agreeing with you.More like he is saying that its obvious that Vitiate feared potential rivalry but that doesn't mean that potential rivalry was more powerful than him.
I think he agreed with me... 🙂 😄
Oh you Sidious,everything has to be the you want it to be,throw yourself into the core of the Death Star. 😛
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
-All those on Katarr combined were stronger than him,and he nommed them in a few seconds.
-Any source to back that up,that Vitiate is immune to Force drain? You know,punching you doesn't mean you can't punch me!? 😛
-No,her opinions don't contradict themselves,you were just not paying attention to her words. 😉
-Kreia says,it is a technique old almost as the ancient Sith themselves,it is not a technique of the Sith,it is a technique,but not of the Sith,next time read with more attention.
-Kreia did not lie about that,that *Wounding* technique,it is not of the Sith.
-That line is very blurry,we don't know if she meant about conquests,military power,knowledge or personal raw power,the first three are the most reasonable.
-And I remembered somewhere that it said Exar Kun was the most powerful Sith of them all in the Old Republic. 😉 This ultimately proves that the lores from Star Wars at *the most powerful* term always contradict themselves.
-Vitiate's feats usually take place on dark side nexuses,or aided by someone else,though I won't deny his TP.
-Nihilus doesn't have any connection to the Force,he was ripped from it,we don't know even if it was a Force-sensitive before his *birth*. Nihilus was literally a black hole in the very fabric of the Force.
Say what you want,but Nihilus>VitiateAnd we don't have any source of him being immune to Force drain,let alone Nihilus' Hunger. 😉
It might appear you don't know a thing about Nihilus,it might *appear*,just. Either you were trying to piss me off,or you really didn't know that.
Nihilus is that truly OP monster,he is technically the Grim Reaper of Star Wars Universe,his design was inspired by the Reaper and No-Face.
But Nihilus is one of them,TK,Hunger,Far Sight,a few but three of most important powers for a Dark Lord(His Hunger is only his,don't count it for others too)
-So Vitiate>8000 Sith Lords+an entire planet confirmed? Defeating countless weaklings isn't the same as standing against a powerful individual.
-Vitiate is a master of drain whereas Nihilus has no TP feats. How is Nihilus gonna drain him when Vitiate takes over his weak mind?
-I didn't say they contradict themselves, I said they contradict with your arguments. Did you even play the game or know the dialogue I'm referring to?
-What? Not that I agree with what you said but all I said was "Nihilus is using the same technique that the ancients used". Also, Kriea doesn't say "old almost as the ancient sith", she outright says the technique haven't been used since the time of ancient Sith. You're the one with reading problems. 👆
-Wounding technique? When did Kreia even use those words? Stop making s*** up. Her explanation of the drain is force connections touched by the dark side and therefor letting the darksider consume the other party. Kreia says Nihilus mastered THIS technique and then again bluntly says "He may even rival some of the ancient sith". So explain why I should take your words more seriously than Kreia's or concede.
-Vitiate also surpassed the ancient sith. His feats and accolades prove as much where Nihilus hasn't even defeated a single near top tier opponent.
-What? His most impressive combat feat isnt even on nexus and you said its aided by someone else? Give me one instance where someone aids Vitiate in combat. Everytime he faced someone, he did it by himself. Again, stop making stuff up.
-What's your point here? That Nihilus is immune to force attacks?
LOL don't pretend like you've actually proven something.
Nihilus' hunger isnt a different technique. Kreia confirms that it is exactly the same technique that the ancients used.
"It is a technique that has been lost for some time. Not seen in the days since the ancient Sith. They can use it to consume other force sensitives... The blind seer, her master harnessed this technique and he is rapidly approaching the height of its power. I fear he may even rival some of the ancient Sith." - Darth Kreia
As you can see, you are the one who doesn't know anything about Nihilus. Go and ask Ant to educate you.
Originally posted by Sinious
-So Vitiate>8000 Sith Lords+an entire planet confirmed? Defeating countless weaklings isn't the same as standing against a powerful individual.
-Vitiate is a master of drain whereas Nihilus has no TP feats. How is Nihilus gonna drain him when Vitiate takes over his weak mind?
-I didn't say they contradict themselves, I said they contradict with your arguments. Did you even play the game or know the dialogue I'm referring to?
-What? Not that I agree with what you said but all I said was "Nihilus is using the same technique that the ancients used". Also, Kriea doesn't say "old almost as the ancient sith", she outright says the technique haven't been used since the time of ancient Sith. You're the one with reading problems. 👆
-Wounding technique? When did Kreia even use those words? Stop making s*** up. Her explanation of the drain is force connections touched by the dark side and therefor letting the darksider consume the other party. Kreia says Nihilus mastered THIS technique and then again bluntly says "He may even rival some of the ancient sith". So explain why I should take your words more seriously than Kreia's or concede.
-Vitiate also surpassed the ancient sith. His feats and accolades prove as much where Nihilus hasn't even defeated a single near top tier opponent.
-What? His most impressive combat feat isnt even on nexus and you said its aided by someone else? Give me one instance where someone aids Vitiate in combat. Everytime he faced someone, he did it by himself. Again, stop making stuff up.
-What's your point here? That Nihilus is immune to force attacks?
LOL don't pretend like you've actually proven something.Nihilus' hunger isnt a different technique. Kreia confirms that it is exactly the same technique that the ancients used.
"It is a technique that has been lost for some time. Not seen in the days since the ancient Sith. They can use it to consume other force sensitives... The blind seer, her master harnessed this technique and he is rapidly approaching the height of its power. I fear he may even rival some of the ancient Sith." - Darth Kreia
As you can see, you are the one who doesn't know anything about Nihilus. Go and ask Ant to educate you.
- So Nihilus>100 most powerful Jedi of TOR times,a colony of Miraluka,a planet confirmed?
Regarding those 8000 Sith Lords,we don't know how strong were those Sith Lords...
Vitiate took him a ritual and a few weeks to do that,and it was still *through* the Force. It is not a feat that you could compare in a straight battle,and Nihilus is immune to Force drain however.
-How would Vitiate took over his mind,if he has no brain,there is only an armor and some robes,or are you implying he can enslave now Force ghosts?
No TP feats?
"Nihilus powers grew so extreme that, for most beings, mere exposure to the Sith Lord would cause immediate and utterly mindless devotion."
―Star Wars Insider 88: Virtual Sith
Please... Perhaps it is not TP,but it is something similar...
-I think they do not contradict with my arguments. Yes I did play the game,thrice,
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between LIFE, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught…it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand."
―Kreia
-Kreia's words make no statement to Nihilus' raw Force power,that's why,it is too ambigous.
-I have seen somwhere that was stated Exar Kun was the strongest Sith of TOR times,guess I was wrong. lol
-Wasn't Dromund Kaas a dark side nexus,or I am wrong!? ROFL
-I said *Wounding* technique to make it different from the average Force drain,never implied Kreia said that. lol
- He fought others when he was surrounded by relics.trinkets...etc...
- The only one to stop Nihilus,and was able to do it,was the Exile herself,another black hole in the Force.
You want the difference between Nihilus' Hunger and Vitiate's wide-planetary ritual?
-When Vitiate ate Medriaas,he absorbed that power into him,that *Force* was still going somewhere in a sense. When Nihilus ate planets,he absorbed that power into him,but the *Force* was destroyed after that,that's why he needed more and more to fuel his "Hunger".
You don't need to be a Wound in the Force to create a said so *Wound* in the Force,but that's the difference between actual Force drain and Nihilus' Hunger.